Xbox One, FM5 Announced! (UPDATE, See first post!)

[Ddrizle]

Forza Motorsport 5 will run in 1080p at 60fps

I believe we're uniquely positioned to deliver on that challenge. We're a huge epic game that's going to be running at 1080p, 60fps on the next-gen console, so it's an incredible opportunity on one hand, but you have to be incredibly flexible and agile and self-aware on the other hand.

 

[HAL20XX]

So here's my big question. Sony's used-games policy sounds IDENTICAL to that of the XOne. The XOne is regulating it by means of the 24-hour check-in. How then will the PS4 be regulating this?

Other than the Kinect (and even then the privacy issues have been assuaged), I get the feeling that these systems may be more similar than Sony is letting on.

E3 can't get here soon enough...

 

[KreepaEvox]

While I completely understand the reason for the uproar, I don't get why the most vocal people about this things are people that are always online, use Steam, has at least a smartphone with internet connectivity. We want to advocate for all, but if you are the demographic which this console targets, why the resistance?

Call me a shill if you want, but I'll embrace the direction this is going, very Steam like, if a little more restrictive, but this is due to piracy, and people always finding ways to exploit systems. There are also nice consequences of this features, such as the 10 friend library share.

The last time people were in an uproar like this was when MS said broadband only.... look where that got us. If I go down with the ship, screw it, I wanna be part of this connected era

 

[Wolfe]

Turn 10 spent six years to convince me that Forza was a quality series worth following, and Microsoft have dashed that all away in a span of less than three weeks. How wonderful.

 

[KreepaEvox]

So here's my big question. Sony's used-games policy sounds IDENTICAL to that of the XOne. The XOne is regulating it by means of the 24-hour check-in. How then will the PS4 be regulating this?

Other than the Kinect (and even then the privacy issues have been assuaged), I get the feeling that these systems may be more similar than Sony is letting on.

E3 can't get here soon enough...

There's a lot of Sony saves us! vibe in the air. And when we find that these systems will be the norm this gen there will be tears and meltdowns anyway... the sooner we come to terms with this, the lesser it stings

 

[FosterG]

Turn 10 spent six years to convince me that Forza was a quality series worth following, and Microsoft have dashed that all away in a span of less than three weeks. How wonderful.

Ditto, I have to ask myself if all this is worth it just to play one game.

 

[MXH]

Turn 10 spent six years to convince me that Forza was a quality series worth following, and Microsoft have dashed that all away in a span of less than three weeks. How wonderful.

I concur. I'm thrilled for FM5 but the console itself is repellent at best now. It all sounds unnecessarily complicated and appaling.

 

[Scaff]

Turn 10 spent six years to convince me that Forza was a quality series worth following, and Microsoft have dashed that all away in a span of less than three weeks. How wonderful.

Ditto, I have to ask myself if all this is worth it just to play one game.

I concur. I'm thrilled for FM5 but the console itself is repellent at best now. It all sounds unnecessarily complicated and appaling.

Same here. Its looking more and more likely that GT6 (should the physics turn out to have improved as much as is being reported) could well do me for a few years and as long as Sony don't do an MS with the PS4 I may then buy into one when the price drops/GT7 comes along.

Until then the car/guitar fund can have the money.

 

[drivatar]

Add me to this list. The news about Xbox One are horrible. Ownership of games is dead.

 

[Exorcet]

Same here. Its looking more and more likely that GT6 (should the physics turn out to have improved as much as is being reported) could well do me for a few years and as long as Sony don't do an MS with the PS4 I may then buy into one when the price drops/GT7 comes along.

Until then the car/guitar fund can have the money.

Agreed. I might have to give up Forza. More money for PC upgrades I guess.

 

[HBK]

Add me to this list. The news about Xbox One are horrible. Ownership of games is dead.

You never owned games. You owned game copies (which granted you a license to play them).

It may seem semantics at this point but that really is the root of the problem.

Laws didn't change.

Mediums did.

No one can predict that they will only ever want to play XBone when an internet connection is available and in working order. A million things could happen to disconnect your internet, or displace you from your current living space. Microsoft can't even guarantee that XBL will always be online! If they follow through on this plan, the first XBL outage will be nasty.

I completely understand how it can and will be problematic.

What I don't get is people going for such an uproar with arguments such as "imagine if I can't play my games for a whole day!!!"

I'm not advocating it. It's of course a stupid decision. What I don't get is the uproar.

If the net goes dark, there's already a crapton of stuff you won't be able to do. Such as play online.

 

[HAL20XX]

You never owned games. You owned game copies (which granted you a license to play them).

It may seem semantics at this point but that really is the root of the problem.

Laws didn't change.

Mediums did.

I completely understand how it can and will be problematic.

What I don't get is people going for such an uproar with arguments such as "imagine if I can't play my games for a whole day!!!"

I'm not advocating it. It's of course a stupid decision. What I don't get is the uproar.

If the net goes dark, there's already a crapton of stuff you won't be able to do. Such as play online.

This is what I keep coming back to. MS is making some very odd decisions, but in the end I just don't see how they're going to affect me in anything but the most extreme of situations. In the 5 and a half years I've had my 360, I've lent a game approximately 2 times. I've bought 3 games used (out of roughly 50 new). I did rent quite a few games, so I'm curious to see if this is remedied in any way.

The major upside is the line should be short on the night of the launch

 

[ImaRobot]

This is what I keep coming back to. MS is making some very odd decisions, but in the end I just don't see how they're going to affect me in anything but the most extreme of situations. In the 5 and a half years I've had my 360, I've lent a game approximately 2 times. I've bought 3 games used (out of roughly 50 new). I did rent quite a few games, so I'm curious to see if this is remedied in any way.

The major upside is the line should be short on the night of the launch

Same with me. I never really bought used games, unless it happened to be a game I had already had, that I had sold and instantly regretted it lol. Guess I just wont be impulsive and sell my games anymore. I've borrowed a couple of games, but in the span of my 360 time, it really shouldnt be counted because it was only twice. I never rented games though, although there was a couple of times I thought about it.

Someone posted that you have to log in once every 24 hours. That wouldnt effect me as I was online every single time I played or went on my xbox for random reasons, which was every day.

 

[HBK]

This is what I keep coming back to. MS is making some very odd decisions, but in the end I just don't see how they're going to affect me in anything but the most extreme of situations. In the 5 and a half years I've had my 360, I've lent a game approximately 2 times. I've bought 3 games used (out of roughly 50 new). I did rent quite a few games, so I'm curious to see if this is remedied in any way.

I didn't buy a lot of used games. But I did resell a lot of the games I've bought.

Not being able to resell games is a huge cons.

Edit : On a side note, this is the main issue I have with the dematerialized market. I would really like to be able to "release" my license when I'm not using it anymore. That's also why I'm not so much against subscription models. Buying a life-lasting license makes little sense in most cases.

 

[Scaff]

You never owned games. You owned game copies (which granted you a license to play them).

It may seem semantics at this point but that really is the root of the problem.

Laws didn't change.

Mediums did.

Its utter semantics.

With a physical copy of a game (or licence for a physical game if you wish to be specific) as long as that copy is undamaged and I have a device to play it on then I can do, no matter how old it is (which is why I am still able to play Tetris on an original Gameboy should I wish to). With this model that is out the window, despite the physical ownership/possession of both the game and device!

Its an utterly ridiculous situation to put consumers in, and one that smacks of the nonsense that Sony/BMG tried with CD's.

I completely understand how it can and will be problematic.

What I don't get is people going for such an uproar with arguments such as "imagine if I can't play my games for a whole day!!!"

I'm not advocating it. It's of course a stupid decision. What I don't get is the uproar.

If the net goes dark, there's already a crapton of stuff you won't be able to do. Such as play online.

So the choice to be able to play a single player title should be removed from the consumer and rely on something that is not actually required to play the game?

You could be unable to play a perfectly good copy of a single player game on a perfectly functioning device simply because something it doesn't need (an internet connection) is not available.

Its a mechanism that exists to protect publishers and for me punishes consumers for doing nothing wrong and provides no benefit to them at all.

Oh and to be honest it does sound a lot like you're advocating this.

 

[HBK]

Its utter semantics.

With a physical copy of a game (or licence for a physical game if you wish to be specific) as long as that copy is undamaged and I have a device to play it on then I can do, no matter how old it is (which is why I am still able to play Tetris on an original Gameboy should I wish to). With this model that is out the window, despite the physical ownership/possession of both the game and device!

You don't possess the game, you possess a copy of it (which come with a license).

I don't know the laws in the United States. I know it will most probably raise legal issues in Europe (the license that come with the physical copy is tied to it). But I would be surprised if MS didn't anticipate that.

So the choice to be able to play a single player title should be removed from the consumer and rely on something that is not actually required to play the game?

You could be unable to play a perfectly good copy of a single player game on a perfectly functioning device simply because something it doesn't need (an internet connection) is not available.

Its a mechanism that exists to protect publishers and for me punishes consumers for doing nothing wrong and provides no benefit to them at all.

It's a mechanism designed to help protect intellectual property within the scope of the law.

Technical concerns are irrelevant.

Neither are the consumer concerns.

Oh and to be honest it does sound a lot like you're advocating this.

I'm sorry to be so blunt, but as much as I think this is a stupid decision, as long as it's legal, they're going to do it (or at least it seems so).

And if it's legal, and you think it's wrong, maybe it's time to consider thinking differently about intellectual property, or consumer rights.

Just sayin'

Edit : Sorry, I don't mean it in such condescending terms. It's just that it irks me because what we're seeing here is just a logical step towards consumer deprivation.

And I'm not sure if bitchin' on a forum will do much good.

Edit 2 : Also, I think pure solo games are going to disappear into thin air. But that is another matter.

 

[Scaff]

You don't possess the game, you possess a copy of it (which come with a license).

I don't know the laws in the United States. I know it will most probably raise legal issues in Europe (the license that come with the physical copy is tied to it). But I would be surprised if MS didn't anticipate that.

Way to avoid the actual point I raised while repeating something I had already acknowledged.

It's a mechanism designed to help protect intellectual property within the scope of the law.

Technical concerns are irrelevant.

Neither are the consumer concerns.

Consumer concerns are rather valid if a business wants to carry on trading.

I'm sorry to be so blunt, but as long as I think this is a stupid decision, they're going to do it (or at least it seems so).

And if it's legal, and you think it's wrong, maybe it's time to consider thinking differently about intellectual property, or consumer rights.

Just sayin'

I am doing just that, I have no intention of buying it for those exact reasons and the same with be true of the PS4 if Sony go down the same route.

 

[HBK]

Way to avoid the actual point I raised while repeating something I had already acknowledged.

If your point was that we, as consumers, were going to be screwed for no technical reasons, then I think I already agreed with that.

Consumer concerns are rather valid if a business wants to carry on trading.

Then MS should have been out of business 20 years ago.

I am doing just that, I have no intention of buying it for those exact reasons and the same with be true of the PS4 if Sony go down the same route.

And this is of course a very valid way (if not the most valid way) to express your disagreement.

I fear you may not be in the majority though.

As it has already been said, from a strict basic consumer day-to-day perspective, those restrictions won't be much an issue for quite a number of people.

 

[Scaff]

If your point was that we, as consumers, were going to be screwed for no technical reasons, then I think I already agreed with that.

Excellent

Then MS should have been out of business 20 years ago.

I think MS are about to learn (again) that what they can get away with in regard to software doesn't always apply to hardware. I would have though that the Zune would have made that quite clear, but it seems not.

And this is of course a very valid way (if not the most valid way) to express your disagreement.

I fear you may not be in the majority though.

As it has already been said, from a strict basic consumer day-to-day perspective, those restrictions won't be much an issue for quite a number of people.

I can actually envisage this being the case in the US, but in Europe and Japan (which aside from the UK have never been the strongest of markets for the Xbox brand) that may well not be the case.

 

[HBK]

I think MS are about to learn (again) that what they can get away with in regard to software doesn't always apply to hardware. I would have though that the Zune would have made that quite clear, but it seems not.

You may be right.

But I think the ball is in Sony's camp now (is that even a valid English saying?).

If they are significantly less restrictive than MS, then PS4 will eat the X1. But if, as I fear, they go through a very similar route, then I don't see why the X1 wouldn't sell. We will need new consoles. Especially now that we know that the Wii-U is actually less powerful than a 360.

I can actually envisage this being the case in the US, but in Europe and Japan (which aside from the UK have never been the strongest of markets for the Xbox brand) that may well not be the case.

Yeah, maybe.

In France our ISPs already provide us with all-in-one boxes very similar to what the X1 offers (just way less powerful and with no decently acceptable proprietary games). So the X1 kinda makes a moot point (in regard to the all-in-one thingy).

But it's still a next-gen console and it will come with next-gen games.

 

[Scaff]

You may be right.

But I think the ball is in Sony's camp now (is that even a valid English saying?).

If they are significantly less restrictive than MS, then PS4 will eat the X1. But if, as I fear, they go through a very similar route, then I don't see why the X1 wouldn't sell. We will need new consoles. Especially now that we know that the Wii-U is actually less powerful than a 360.


Yeah, maybe.

In France our ISPs already provide us with all-in-one boxes very similar to what the X1 offers (just way less powerful and with no decently acceptable proprietary games).

But it's still a next-gen console and it will come with next-gen games.

It is a valid English saying and one you are quite right on. Next week will make a big difference to the way all of this looks.

Oh and an alternative does exist, PC gaming may well be the route I end up taking.

 

[HBK]

Oh and an alternative does exist, PC gaming may well be the route I end up taking.

I actually very seriously wonder if this might not be the future for a lot of people.

The actual advantages of consoles vs PC was the controller (I mean, a lot of games play way better with a controller), being a small box that can be moved easily (and put in the living room), the ease of use, and a few exclusives.

Now many controllers can be plugged to the PC, the consoles won't be that much movable because of the connexion issues, and exclusives are being increasingly scarce (and of questionable quality).

On top of that the PCs are massively backwards compatible, even with console games (even if it's not always legal), way more powerful, and way more versatile.

And they're increasingly easier to use and maintain (thanks in part to Microsoft, the irony ...).

I'm already a massive PC gamer myself, but I seriously consider going 100% PC.

Still, I will miss Forza

 

[Scaff]

I actually very seriously wonder if this might not be the future for a lot of people.

The actual advantages of consoles vs PC was the controller (I mean, a lot of games play way better with a controller), being a small box that can be moved easily (and put in the living room), and a few exclusives.

Now many controllers can be plugged to the PC, the consoles won't be that much movable because of the connexions issues, and exclusives are being increasingly scarce (and of questionable quality).

On top of that the PCs are massively backwards compatible, even with console games (even if it's not always legal), way more powerful, and way more versatile.

And they're being increasingly easier to use and maintain (thanks in part to Microsoft, the irony ...).

I'm already a massive PC gamer myself, but I seriously consider going 100% PC.

Still, I will miss Forza

Its an option I was seriously discussing with a friend today, if Sony head down the same route then I can set-up a good gaming PC that will also serve as a media source for my AV system for around the same money that the Xbone and PS4 are likely to be.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

I'm a little interested in PC and know the benefits of it over consoles, but my main thing is what games on PC are like GT and FM?

 

[chromatic9]

No games are close or fully like Forza or GT.

if you all boycott consoles and move over then the incentive to make a $60-100million game on pc would be there.

Project Cars may be closest but with only a fraction of the cars.

For the most part though, pc is much better, why buy a locked down Xbox pc when you can build or buy a pc and be much more flexible. Sadly time is short, people just want a box or system which you plug the ethernet cable in and it sorts itself out and you just pick and choose the game.

 

[theofilosz]

If only P-Cars chose not to ignore completely the tuning / modifying part it could be amazing. They decided to ignore it thinking that if they included that part itwould make the game like NFS. Really bad decision in my opinion. Apart from that I have no gripes with the game. Also pc gaming offers great drivers for our wheels.

Sorry for the offtopic

 

[mister dog]

They have just seriously shot themselves in the foot with their greed; people swallow the corporative society when it comes down to being exploited at their job, by the government or by private companies when they provide necessities, but they forget that we still have the choice if we wanna buy their big brother-box or not. Either people are gonna buy the damn thing just to play FM5 for example and the sales of games will plummet in comparison with sales today, or even worse; people will wanna make a statement against these greedy policies and not buy the console at all which is even worse for them.

A true shame because FM5 was what i was longing for...

 

[Exorcet]

If only P-Cars chose not to ignore completely the tuning / modifying part it could be amazing. They decided to ignore it thinking that if they included that part itwould make the game like NFS. Really bad decision in my opinion. Apart from that I have no gripes with the game. Also pc gaming offers great drivers for our wheels.

Sorry for the offtopic

PC is known for modding. Project Cars in a few years might be a completely different game. Possibly Forza and GT but more, in one piece of software. Another benefit to ditching consoles.

 

[1gt6freak]

Does anyone have information about xbox one being compatible with logitech g27 without using a converter. Then I would buy one to play forza, I love gt5, but forza is unique too.

 

[whereSTheFUhd]

We're still waiting on hearing if previously supported (XID protocol) Fanatec wheels will be supported, nevermind previously unsupported (HID protocol) wheels.