Your faith in Gran Turismo - has it been permanently damaged?

[JustM1key]

I think outsourcing some of the work to a new developer could have it's benefits. Not to go off topic, but that is what's currently going on with Namco's Project Aces team. The staff there has admitted that they're growing older and have decided to co-develop the next Ace Combat with a new developer (ILCA) in attempt to gain "fresh perspectives" from a younger generation.

A co-developed Gran Turismo by Polyphony/Evolution could have been pretty great. Evo could have handled the graphics and PD the features, perhaps. Again it goes back to Sony/Kaz being short sighted. Sony selling off Evolution Studios was a giant mistake imo. I also remember Kaz saying fairly recently that he'd like to make something different. To me this might suggest that Kaz might be a little tired and ready to try something else. Yes I've lost a little faith in the team in regards to GT7 direction, but GT will always hold a special place in my heart. It is my third most beloved franchise behind Tekken and Ace Combat.

In my opinion, the biggest thing that Gran Turismo needs now is a new graphics engine.

I think it needs more better gameplay rather graphics. There is plenty of racing games that look good but have terrible gameplay. That's why a good chunk of people go back and play Gran Turismo 4 and Forza Motorsport 4. You can look past graphics if the gameplay is that good.

 

[Imari]

The amount of negative over-reacting for an obviously unfinished and half-baked game is astounding.

What? People shouldn't be unhappy about an "obviously unfinished and half-baked game"? What should they be doing, sending Kaz cookies?

Polyphony are getting a reaction appropriate to the game they released.

Gran Turismo has been a best selling racing game/series for over 20 years, what could possibly damage it? Nothing.

I mean, at one time Need for Speed was one of the biggest racing game franchises, probably the biggest. Now it's kind of a joke, and we all use it to poke fun at what racing games shouldn't be.

If you make enough mediocre games, all the good will in the world won't save you. While GT5, GT6 and GTS were all eventually good, Polyphony has been burning release day purchasers of their games for a decade now. The best advice a Gran Turismo fan can get at this point is "wait and buy it 6-12 months after release". It's not that it's bad, but why would you pay money for this now just so that you can wait for them to fix it?

I think it needs more better gameplay rather graphics. There is plenty of racing games that look good but have terrible gameplay. That's why a good chunk of people go back and play Gran Turismo 4 and Forza Motorsport 4. You can look past graphics if the gameplay is that good.

There was a time in the PS2 era where graphics could carry a game. I feel like that's not true any more, even bog standard Unreal Engine graphics look just fine and so the extra value from having a super shiny graphics engine is minimal. Good gameplay is absolutely necessary in 2022 though, and it's why good looking but dull games like Anthem failed. Players will overlook a lot if the game is fun, like Elden Ring and it's performance issues.

 

[Tenacious D]

No. And I keep losing the ability to load my OWN liveries in the editor.

 

[Cherryturbo]

No. And I keep losing the ability to load my OWN liveries in the editor.

Save them as styles as well. Then if the liveries won’t load you can create from existing style.

I also learned the hard way.

 

[Nielsen]

My faith in Gran Turismo got damaged after GT6. It wasn’t permanent because GT Sport restored it. GT7 has now damaged my faith again, but I have no idea whether it might get restored once more.

 

[Samus]

The amount of negative over-reacting for an obviously unfinished and half-baked game is astounding.
It is a game that should have come out months later, that's the main thing. Gotta have patience and wait for updates. Will end up being an amazing game I'm sure.

Genuinely the funniest post I've read in weeks, knowing you're 100% serious. Thanks, I needed that.

 

[RacingFan1]

What? People shouldn't be unhappy about an "obviously unfinished and half-baked game"? What should they be doing, sending Kaz cookies?

This must have been Sony's decision to rush in the release. Pretty sure PD as developers would have waited longer. Developers don't want to release a half baked product.

 

[MSZ]

The changes will be too late for most early players as they will have already completed thebook/missions and unless they repeat then they won't benefit from the increased payouts etc.

And in the meantime they are sat wondering what to do now...

That's why I stopped doing menu stuff after I found out about the upcoming updates.

Play online or play other games for the time being.

 

[ICEYOU3]

You can look past graphics if the gameplay is that good.

Yes I agree to an extent, but when you spend $500+ on a powerful PC-like gaming console we should expect more (visually speaking) from a game with Gran Turismo's AAA status. The game looks fine on PS5, but to me still leaves a lot to be desired. I'm starting to agree with the "it looks like a remastered 7th gen game" takes.

 

[seadog777]

"Your faith in Gran Turismo - has it been permanently damaged?"​

No. It's the same quirky game it's always been since GT1. It attracts the same complaints and detractors that it always has since GT1.
PD will never, ever be able to release a game that satisfies everybody - nor will any other software developer.
I'm really enjoying it (and I'm using a PS4 (can't get a PS5 here) and a 1080P TV)). Sure, it has a ways to go - but just think back to GTS - that was exactly the same, and look how it turned out.

 

[RacingFan1]

Genuinely the funniest post I've read in weeks, knowing you're 100% serious. Thanks, I needed that.

Great arguments. Lol
PD issue is that they're too slow. But as a game GT7 has the potential to become the best GT ever by some distance once we get most of the updates. Best graphics by far, best tuning system, best physics, best sounds...

 

[MSZ]

Yes I agree to an extent, but when you spend $500+ on a powerful PC-like gaming console we should expect more (visually speaking) from a game with Gran Turismo's AAA status. The game looks fine on PS5, but to me still leaves a lot to be desired. I'm starting to agree with the "it looks like a remastered 7th gen game" takes.

That's because this is exactly what GT7 is, a PS4 game.

We will see what PS5 is capable of when GT8 comes out 8 more years from now.

 

[Magog]

Only ever played GT Sport I take it?

I played them all as they were released except 6 because it came out too late in the life of the PS3.

The OP is complaining about the lack of single player events and yet he admits he hasn't even beaten all of the post menu races which are the best the game has to offer. Funny you should mention Sport as it has shown how we can expect literally hundreds of additional race events and cars to be added over time as well as probably dozens additional tracks/layouts.

 

[kp1993wroc]

The amount of negative over-reacting for an obviously unfinished and half-baked game is astounding.
It is a game that should have come out months later, that's the main thing. Gotta have patience and wait for updates. Now in its current state its already quite good but it will end up being a really amazing game I'm sure.

I think we should be able to start the game over on the same account for those who want to complete it once again sometime when the game is "finished"

 

[Conquerer]

My faith in GT was severely damaged years ago and they've just been beating the same dead horse now.

-Catch the rabbit race structure with braindead AI and the leader starting 45+ seconds ahead
-20M cars and no organic avenue to obtain them
-Nowhere near enough events to keep long term interest in the game (why should we wait for more when there could've easily been 3-4x as many from the start?)
-Incredibly low payouts forcing people to grind the same few events over and over to earn millions to spend on a car there's absolutely nothing to do with outside of a time trial run
-environment/trackside detail that is the quality of a couple generations ago

People like me stick around cause we still enjoy the physics, the graphical detail of the cars and the collecting aspect, amongst other great things like the weather system... but I don't understand how so many people completely tolerate all the above issues as if they're not absolutely glaring.

The catch the rabbit format alone is an absolute disgrace and has no business being in a "racing" game. What is this, Outrun in the arcade? I'm sorry but no, that is not racing. Try again.

For a racing game dev to keep that format in their games for 14 years (since GT5 Prologue) says everything you need to know about how "in touch" they are. Led by Kaz, PD lost all sense of how to make their games fun and exciting well over a decade ago.

 

[Nielsen]

GT7 has some moron saying "Hey, do you know what a hybrid car is?" Is that supposed to be an insult? I thought this was supposed to be a racing sim, not a game for kindergarteners.

Some of the “wisdom” shared by the game is a little strange at times. The guy at the legendary car dealership also says something like this:

“When most people think of the Ford GT40, they think of Carroll Shelby”.

I doubt most prople are. Some might, but certainly not most.

 

[KJF]

The amount of negative over-reacting for an obviously unfinished and half-baked game is astounding.

What an astonishing thing to say.

 

[ICEYOU3]

That's because this is exactly what GT7 is, a PS4 game.

We will see what PS5 is capable of when GT8 comes out 8 more years from now.

I don't believe we should blame the PS4 when we had a visual masterpiece like Driveclub release exclusively on it almost 10 years ago. Polyphony's tech is just really old, but yeah I expect the visuals to be overhauled for the next game. Hopefully all the tracks and environments get some nice next-gen TLC.

 

[Jeff Goji]

I don't see myself buying another Gran Turismo title in the foreseeable future, but maybe Gran Turismo 10 for the PS6 will be an improvement worth owning, who knows?
I certainly will not be an early buyer like I was for GT6 and GT7.

Currently my 25th anniversary copy is collecting dust on the shelf. Just not enough interest in grinding the same limited races over and over again and dealing with the wonky physics engine.
I'm hoping the April update will be all that and a bag of chips and maybe give me a reason to start playing again.

 

[RacingFan1]

What an astonishing thing to say.

Why is that? Is it hard to understand that it is a rushed release and a work in progress?

 

[BobSpeedRacer]

I think it needs more better gameplay rather graphics. There is plenty of racing games that look good but have terrible gameplay. That's why a good chunk of people go back and play Gran Turismo 4 and Forza Motorsport 4. You can look past graphics if the gameplay is that good.

Agree wholeheartedly. Funny how you mention GT4 and FM4, I believe they truly were/are the pinnacle of both franchises at the moment. It doesn't matter if later Forzas have better graphics and open worlds, the game play of FM4 was just very well conceived.

After GT4 I was pretty disappointed with GT5 after such a long time. I sold GT6 after about a month. Completely disregarded GTS. I'm planning on picking up GT7 but I'm not in a hurry. Will wait until everything gets fixed, and maybe get a deal if it makes it as a Greatest Hits

 

[Islaygaz]

Honestly - no. Yes GT7 has some shortfalls (economy and the UCD/LCD rotation speed), but as the game evolves I think it’s going to end up a really solid game!

 

[Samus]

Why is that? Is it hard to understand that it is a rushed release and a work in progress?

The astonishing part is you think people are overreacting in criticising a game that you yourself describe as "unfinished", "rushed" and "half-baked" almost as if they're positive things.

Absolutely comical.

People did not pay 70 dollars for a work in progress. At no point did PD advertise the game as such. Quite the opposite. So to question why people are so critical of it is astonishing indeed.

 

[Dess81]

GT7 is the best GT I have ever played (GT4-5-6-Sport). But the balance is bad right now, not enough events, champs, it's impossible to buy 5-6,000,000 cars without grinding. I believe it will be fixed in the near future. I don't think that is hard to add new interesting champs with gr2-1-f1-redbull. The best in GT7 is difficult. The half of the events are challenges. It's hard to complere all of it for gold. I think that all will be great.
And about legendary cars... I think the most of legendary cars will be useful. The only thing that can help it to add a lot of individual events WITH BIG PRIZES for legendary cars. Cos I don't think that Ferrari GTO 1984 or Muira can be great in competititons with mordern cars.

 

[RacingFan1]

The astonishing part is you think people are overreacting in criticising a game that you describe as "unfinished" and "half-baked" almost as if they're positive things.

Absolutely comical.

Use your brain, then you realise it is positive if its still a work in progress as there is a hell of a lot more to come - The really, really unacceptable thing, would be if the game in its current state would be almost done in updates. The negative thing, if anything, is the rushed release. Got it?

 

[Nagaremono]

I played them all as they were released except 6 because it came out too late in the life of the PS3.

The OP is complaining about the lack of single player events and yet he admits he hasn't even beaten all of the post menu races which are the best the game has to offer. Funny you should mention Sport as it has shown how we can expect literally hundreds of additional race events and cars to be added over time as well as probably dozens additional tracks/layouts.

The OP is probably trying to play the career mode normally. Using like-for-like cars in difficult mode. It takes time to find the right cars/strategies.

If you’ve really played them all from GT1 onwards, why are you always telling people to use stupid cars to complete/win events? Aren’t you over that by now? You’re advising silly stuff like use of the Radical to win 600 races, the RB Junior or Lambo VGT in races against ordinary road cars or Gr4s. Of course it’s easy if pick inappropriate cars that’d never ever really be competing with the other cars in the race.

Pls don’t brag about getting through the game or winning easily if you’re basically cheating. Some of us want to play in a way that’s more challenging and immersive, similar cars to the AI and little or no tuning.

And the OP taking time to get through whatever content’s on offer (for whatever reason) has nothing to do with the undeniable fact that there simply isn’t much content on offer in this game compared to what was there at the end of Sport’s updates, and Sport wasn’t even supposed to be a single-player focused game. Let alone GT4.

 

[Samus]

Use your brain, then you realise it is positive if its still a work in progress as there is a hell of a lot more to come - The really, really unacceptable thing, would be if the game in its current state would be almost done in updates. Got it?

 

[The_Tullster]

This is my fourth purchase in the GT franchise, GT5, 6, Sport and 7. All of the previous three have been fleshed out and adjusted considerably with updates spread over a period of years after release. I have no reason yet to believe GT7 is any different.

 

[Boxster]

No.
I like the basics of the game. There should be more content and better in-game economics. These have been announced, some of it already in the April update. There are numerous other issues that still need to be resolved. Most of them will.
I have played GT7 for a month now and mostly had a good time. I have confidence the game will be developed and improved a lot over the upcoming months. I look forward to that.

 

[RSClio182]

-20M cars and no organic avenue to obtain them

There is an organic avenue all right! It involves opening your wallet and bending over.