Your thoughts about "standard" vs. "premium"

[JDMKING13]

I have never seen someone in such a deep denial. Why do you keep ignoring this? Seriously. There's no way you can look at the below comparison and say "That's up to par with today's other racing games." You're lying to yourself.



If you think those horrid textures, squared fenders and curves, etc are up to today's standards, I guess you haven't played a new racing game within the past 5 years. It's not even funny any more, I'm actually worried that people can just pull the wool over their eyes and completely ignore the obvious.

Please stop saying im in denial thank you 👍 Also please stop using that picture that dosent even look like its its native size. it looked like some one zoomed in the picture. Its a damn game its not going to be perfect

Im not saying its on GT5 premium car level because thats the new standard of any racing game ever created, however i play Forz3 and Shift sometimes and I dont see me having a problem playing with cars looking like the standard in GT5. They are are going to have better physics then any console racing game i played also 👍

 

[kingcars]

Please stop saying im in denial thank you 👍 Also please stop using that picture that dosent even look like its its native size. it looked like some one zommed in the picture. Its a damn game its not going to be perfect

http://cdn2.gran-turismo.com/jp/common/data2/movie/20100616_e3/gt5_standardcars.mov

The screenshot posted is the right size. Zoomed in or not, it doesn't change the fact that the models have NOT been changed from GT4, whether you like it or not. Just in case you missed my previous post, this sums it up well:

As for what the standard vehicles look like, Eurogamer claims that they’re “glossy, finely detailed, and a fair match for anything you might have seen in Project Gotham or Forza.” But we’re going to have to beg to differ. Sure, in motion they look fine, helped in part by GT5’s incredible lighting. But when you get closer, things are a little different. Indeed, many of the cars look to be direct upscaled copies of their Gran Turismo 4 counterparts. Take the following comparison (GT5 images taken from the official trailer below) – the polygon count is unchanged from GT4

Oh, and if you want me to stop saying that you're in denial, the solution is simple. Stop being in denial 👍

You can't just say "It's a game, it wont be perfect" when people are looking to shell out $60 or $100 of their hard earned money for a game that's been 80% lied about for the past 5-6 years.

 

[Stevisiov]

Stevisiov, The damage, interior details and High beams was a Fact.

Standards wont have High Beam Lights

This is not a fact. Do not state it as such.

I believe the official line is:

Premium cars: Headlights with high beams and low beams
Standard cars: Standard lights only

'Standard lights only' does not = 'low beams only' - so don't state it as such.

Of course, you're entitled to say that you think it means only low beams, in the same way I can say that I think you are wrong. Just make sure you are presenting it as you're opinion - which it is.

But, the customization thingy, I was just applying basic logic, I cant remember where I read about Exterior Customization out of GT4 due to Models being made out of only one piece. And thats why it was limited to Spoilers/Rims...

That's more like it, now you are presenting it as you're opinion, and not a fact - since its not.

For what's its worth, I think you are most likely right on that point, if the cars are constructed as one shell, its going to be hard to add a body kit to that.

But anyways, Belieive what you want, Nothing is for sure At the moment.

Don't worry, I will.

 

[JDMKING13]

http://cdn2.gran-turismo.com/jp/common/data2/movie/20100616_e3/gt5_standardcars.mov

The screenshot posted is the right size. Zoomed in or not, it doesn't change the fact that the models have NOT been changed from GT4, whether you like it or not. Just in case you missed my previous post, this sums it up well:



Oh, and if you want me to stop saying that you're in denial, the solution is simple. Stop being in denial 👍

I could also ask you stop crying about the standard cars but i know you wont just like that article said they are on par with any other racing game ( besides its own game GT5 Premium ) Also king where the hell did i say they were not from GT4? upscaled, downscaled I dont care i said the cars still look up to par with anyracing game i play, and better then GT4 on my PS2 with new features and GT5 physics.

 

[kingcars]

...just like that article said they are on par with any other racing game...

What article were you reading? Try reading that again...

As for what the standard vehicles look like, Eurogamer claims that they’re “glossy, finely detailed, and a fair match for anything you might have seen in Project Gotham or Forza.” But we’re going to have to beg to differ. Sure, in motion they look fine, helped in part by GT5’s incredible lighting. But when you get closer, things are a little different. Indeed, many of the cars look to be direct upscaled copies of their Gran Turismo 4 counterparts. Take the following comparison (GT5 images taken from the official trailer below) – the polygon count is unchanged from GT4

EDIT: Just a couple of quick quotes I stumbled across:

And your point? In the end It looks better than GT4 on my tv.

No doubt GT4 on my PS2 playing on my 52 Samsung look nowhere like that trailer i saw with the standard cars.

Thanks for the info, I'll be sure to stick with my Panasonic 32in since apparently, GT4 looks way better on it than on your Samsung.

 

[RedSuinit]

Exactly, and what brings me down, Really Makes me sad is those 800 Models wont be as Customizable as the other 200 because they dont have Interchangeable Parts...Sadly.

Oh and, as a Proof that those 800 Models are JUST GT4 Models:

GT5

GT4

...I dont know You guys, but I dont see Any Improvement on the Car itself

I'm sorry, but I never noticed any of the jaggies, or low res textures while the car was in motion. You guys are overreacting. Sorry. Also for those of you crying about being lied to, you weren't. You are going to get 1000+ cars in the game. That's all they have ever said. YOU are the ones that decided they were going to be the awesome models we had seen, and YOU are the ones lying to yourselves. You are gettin exactly what they promised, 1000+ cars in game.

 

[JDMKING13]

What article were you reading? Try reading that again...

Eurogamer claims that they’re “glossy, finely detailed, and a fair match for anything you might have seen in Project Gotham or Forza.”

Edit king I'm sorry you only have a 32in Panasonic but if your going to tell me that gt5 standard cars wont look better on your cute 32 inch then GT4 ps2 version i dont know what to tell you.

 

[JDMKING13]

I'm sorry, but I never noticed any of the jaggies, or low res textures while the car was in motion. You guys are overreacting. Sorry.

Thank you!! If people believe when you take a photo in GT5 with a standard car and its going to be jaggie i'm sorry i don't know what to tell you.

 

[kingcars]

Eurogamer claims that they’re “glossy, finely detailed, and a fair match for anything you might have seen in Project Gotham or Forza.”

Keep reading...there's a lot more than just that one sentence, ya know?

It's like you can look at a girl and say "Well, she does drugs, has 3 kids with 3 different dads, no job, weighs 350lbs, and lives off of welfare, but she can add!" You'll ignore everything except the "She can add" part.

 

[RedSuinit]

Keep reading...there's a lot more than just that one sentence, ya know?

It's like you can look at a girl and say "Well, she does drugs, has 3 kids with 3 different dads, no job, weighs 350lbs, and lives off of welfare, but she can add!" You'll ignore everything except the "She can add" part.

Eurogamer said that they were on par with what you would see in PGR and Forza. That's his point. Not that the author of that spcific article agrees with Eurogamer. LOL

 

[JDMKING13]

Eurogamer said that they were on par with what you would see in PGR and Forza. That's his point. Not that the author of that spcific article agrees with Eurogamer. LOL

This guy makes me laugh so much

 

[kingcars]

I'm sorry, but I never noticed any of the jaggies, or low res textures while the car was in motion. You guys are overreacting. Sorry.

Wrong. From the moment I first started watching the standard cars video, it was instant deja vu to Gran Turismo 4. I didn't need still pictures, I knew IMMEDIATELY that they were nearly 100% copies from GT4. A game on a new system, way better hardware, and 4-6 years of development should look nothing like it.

Also for those of you crying about being lied to, you weren't. You are going to get 1000+ cars in the game. That's all they have ever said. YOU are the ones that decided they were going to be the awesome models we had seen, and YOU are the ones lying to yourselves. You are gettin exactly what they promised, 1000+ cars in game.

Wrong again. You're telling me that it's ok for a game company to ONLY show off cars that are representative of 20% of the game? Premiums were the ONLY cars shown in every video, screenshot, and demo for the past several years; every electronics show, every article, every piece of information. Then after all those years, they spill the beans that the other 80% are last-gen models? There is NO OTHER RACING GAME EVER MADE that had 2 COMPLETELY different car model qualities.

Eurogamer said that they were on par with what you would see in PGR and Forza. That's his point. Not that the author of that spcific article agrees with Eurogamer. LOL

Then they PROVE Eurogamer WRONG. Did you forget that part?

This guy makes me laugh so much

Yeah, it's really funny when people choose not to ignore the negatives. I'm sure you also think the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico is a good thing because it'll teach us how to deal with such issues in the future.

Oh, I almost forgot. JDM, you complained about the GT5 comparison picture not being at native resolution. Well, you're wrong again (imagine that). I got the exact same screen cap off of my computer, with the High Quality video I linked:

 

[paulpg87]

the problem is not how the car looks compared to forza or in general how it looks. the problem is that they look crap compared to other cars in the same game (if are possible mixed races.. well you'll notice it immediatly) ..and they offer a totally different experience cause non premium damage and no cockpit are a big problem, they affect the whole experience. I'll probably race only premium cars due to the lack of cockpits ( i still hope in it however)

 

[kingcars]

the problem is not how the car looks compared to forza or in general how it looks. the problem is that they look crap compared to other cars in the same game (if are possible mixed races.. well you'll notice it immediatly) ..and they offer a totally different experience cause non premium damage and no cockpit are a big problem, they affect the whole experience.

This is what I'm most worried about when it comes to standard cars. I look at them as a bonus addition to GT5 - a game with 200 cars. I just do not want them to pollute the experience; it would be devastating.

 

[RedSuinit]

Wrong. From the moment I first started watching the standard cars video, it was instant deja vu to Gran Turismo 4. I didn't need still pictures, I knew IMMEDIATELY that they were nearly 100% copies from GT4. A game on a new system, way better hardware, and 4-6 years of development should look nothing like it.

Was I talking about you? No. I said I didn't even notice the jaggies and low res textures. You're STILL overreacting.

Wrong again. You're telling me that it's ok for a game company to ONLY show off cars that are representative of 20% of the game? Premiums were the ONLY cars shown in every video, screenshot, and demo for the past several years; every electronics show, every article, every piece of information. Then after all those years, they spill the beans that the other 80% are last-gen models? There is NO OTHER RACING GAME EVER MADE that had 2 COMPLETELY different car model qualities.

Not wrong. We were told 1000+ cars in game. We're getting 1000+ cars in game. Not wrong. LOL. NO OTHER RACING GAME EVER MADE HAS HAD OVER 1000 VEHICLES IN A SINGLE GAME!

Then they PROVE Eurogamer WRONG. Did you forget that part?

They didn't PROVE anything. They showed that they were GT4 models being used in GT5, and THAT'S IT. In the standard cars video, those models look just as good as what you see in Forza and PGR in game. That's Eurogamers opinion, and mine. The writer of that article simply disagrees with that opinion. They didn't PROVE that those models in-game don't look as good as PGR and Forza in-game.

Yeah, it's really funny when people choose not to ignore the negatives. I'm sure you also think the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico is a good thing because it'll teach us how to deal with such issues in the future.

Am I glad it happened? Hell no. Do I think that we should take this tragedy and learn from it? Hell yes. You need to control your tongue dude. You are on the verge of breaking the AUP.

 

[JDMKING13]

This is what I'm most worried about when it comes to standard cars. I look at them as a bonus addition to GT5 - a game with 200 cars. I just do not want them to pollute the experience; it would be devastating.

O i see well king i think this might sound crazy but i think i agree with you. I wouldn't say pollute the experience but it would def be weird but i still will play it like that. I have a feeling standard will be with standard premium will be with premium however all cars can run on all tracks which is the most important 👍

 

[Max_DC]

There is NO OTHER RACING GAME EVER MADE that had 2 COMPLETELY different car model qualities.

Actually that's not true.

Need for Speed 2. You could cheat and then drive the not licenced traffic cars like the 5 series BMW lookalike.

I really enjoyed driving those cars. Striking similarities between GT5 and NFS2 btw :

The "premium cars had interiors and also more details on the outside, whereas the "standard" cars looked lousy from the outside and had no cockpit perspective.

My opinion reagarding GT5 :

Cockpit / Dashboard view for every car in the game - less detailled ( like in Forza for example ) and via DLC if necessary.

 

[RedSuinit]

This is what I'm most worried about when it comes to standard cars. I look at them as a bonus addition to GT5 - a game with 200 cars. I just do not want them to pollute the experience; it would be devastating.

I personally don't care if there is a mix of standard and premium models on the track at the same time. I highly doubt it will happen, but I wouldn't care if it did.

 

[pay2021]

the problem is not how the car looks compared to forza or in general how it looks. the problem is that they look crap compared to other cars in the same game (if are possible mixed races.. well you'll notice it immediatly) ..and they offer a totally different experience cause non premium damage and no cockpit are a big problem, they affect the whole experience. I'll probably race only premium cars due to the lack of cockpits ( i still hope in it however)

I think your words express perfectly my thoughts (and other`s members too).

 

[kingcars]

Was I talking about you? No. I said I didn't even notice the jaggies and low res textures. You're STILL overreacting.

If you say so.

Not wrong. We were told 1000+ cars in game. We're getting 1000+ cars in game. Not wrong. LOL. NO OTHER RACING GAME EVER MADE HAS HAD OVER 1000 VEHICLES IN A SINGLE GAME!

They bit off more than they could chew, and decided to wait a few years before telling us so. GT2 had tons of cars, all of the same quality. They didn't push huge numbers of cars with the 2 previous generation GT debuts, 1 and 3, for obvious reasons, then followed them up with GTs 2 and 4, which had many more cars. This was a reasonable approach; not sure why they strayed from it and created a polluted experience.

They didn't PROVE anything. They showed that they were GT4 models being used in GT5, and THAT'S IT. In the standard cars video, those models look just as good as what you see in Forza and PGR in game. That's Eurogamers opinion, and mine. The writer of that article simply disagrees with that opinion. They didn't PROVE that those models in-game don't look as good as PGR and Forza in-game.

So you're saying that 4,000 polygon models from 6 years ago are on par with today's games? Wow...ok.....

Am I glad it happened? Hell no. Do I think that we should take this tragedy and learn from it? Hell yes. You need to control your tongue dude. You are on the verge of breaking the AUP.

Didn't realize that I couldn't make a sarcastic reference to a real world event on a forum.

O i see well king i think this might sound crazy but i think i agree with you. I wouldn't say pollute the experience but it would def be weird but i still will play it like that. I have a feeling standard will be with standard premium will be with premium however all cars can run on all tracks which is the most important 👍

Oh dear, I think the world is gonna end! An agreement! . I do believe that you're right about the separation, and if it's true, I will definitely be happy.

 

[killanite]

My thoughts about the issue is this: Polyphony had to decide between quality or quantity and thought to themselves.. what's the best of both worlds.
What do you think would've been the alternative to this?
250 maybe 300 Premium cars and thats it. (seeing its taken so long just to model 200) and then all the fans would be pissed off at all the classics and favourites from the old GT's that have been left behind.
So they opted to have a decent amount of premium cars while not sacrificing all the "standard" cars from previous games. especially seeing as these are just models and that running them on an all new physics engine will make them feel like new cars basicly.

Most of you claiming to be disapointed and pissed off forget that you have not actually paid for this game yet. You could still choose not to.

 

[Dravonic]

I'm sorry, but I never noticed any of the jaggies, or low res textures while the car was in motion. You guys are overreacting. Sorry. Also for those of you crying about being lied to, you weren't. You are going to get 1000+ cars in the game. That's all they have ever said. YOU are the ones that decided they were going to be the awesome models we had seen, and YOU are the ones lying to yourselves. You are gettin exactly what they promised, 1000+ cars in game.

They never lied if you want to be pedantic about it. Coming back to the real world however, take a look at whats happening in this forum for example. We were not lied to? So why is it such a shock to the whole internet? In the lawyer make-believe world PD never lied and we can't sue them. In the real world they spat on our faces. And I'm not about to to let it go like that.

 

[RedSuinit]

So you're saying that 4,000 polygon models from 6 years ago are on par with today's games? Wow...ok.....

From watching that video of the standard cars game-play, it easily looked as good as any in-game footage of Forza or PGR.

They never lied if you want to be pedantic about it. Coming back to the real world however, take a look at whats happening in this forum for example. We were not lied to? So why is it such a shock to the whole internet? In the lawyer make-believe world PD never lied and we can't sue them. In the real world they spat on our faces. And I'm not about to to let it go like that.

The whole world is shocked because this is not a classic PD move. That doesn't changed the fact that WE hyped it up with little to no information, and now that we realize we were wrong with what we hyped up, we blame PD.

 

[killanite]

They never lied if you want to be pedantic about it. Coming back to the real world however, take a look at whats happening in this forum. We were not lied to? So why is it such a shock to the whole internet? In the lawyer make-believe world PD never lied and we can't sue them. In the real world they spat on our faces. And I'm not about to to let it go like that.

I hardly think they lied to you. I mean they mentioned this 5 MONTHS out from the games release... that's hardly a small amount of forewarning. It's not like they told you after the release date. Any other game would've given most the game's information much later than 5 months before the game releases.

Plus we've heard about premiums and standard cars since 09, we just didn't know the extent

 

[RedSuinit]

I hardly think they lied to you. I mean they mentioned this 5 MONTHS out from the games release... that's hardly a small amount of forewarning. It's not like they told you after the release date. Any other game would've given most the game's information much later than 5 months before the game releases.

Plus we've heard about premiums and standard cars since 09, we just didn't know the extent

Exactly.

 

[JDMKING13]

I hardly think they lied to you. I mean they mentioned this 5 MONTHS out from the games release... that's hardly a small amount of forewarning. It's not like they told you after the release date. Any other game would've given most the game's information much later than 5 months before the game releases.

Plus we've heard about premiums and standard cars since 09, we just didn't know the extent

Thank you!! In the end I have Forza3 Shift and GT5P. I will play GT5 legend mode (Standard car) more than any of those games its going to have better graphics new physics and many new great feature 👍 If i get bored of that (which will be never) I will play my second game GT5 Preium which you consider a new game because its going to deliver a whole different experience than the standard cars and from other console racers.

 

[kingcars]

Plus we've heard about premiums and standard cars since 09, we just didn't know the extent

Yeah, they just preferred to "leave that part out" conveniently. They knew what the backlash would be like. Someone earlier in the thread mentioned that what they did was a "lie of omission." You guys should ponder that idea for a while.

 

[gtracedriver]

Upscaling is definitely not a good idea. I think they know better than us so they will make required changes. Becasue upscaling and stretching will make it worst. So definitely they need to do something. This is simple logic even I know it

Secondly let us assume that it is GT4 HD(definitely won't be the case)

What they can or should do is have only standard cars to race and include 24 or 32 cars instead of 16

 

[Dravonic]

I hardly think they lied to you. I mean they mentioned this 5 MONTHS out from the games release... that's hardly a small amount of forewarning. It's not like they told you after the release date. Any other game would've given most the game's information much later than 5 months before the game releases.

Plus we've heard about premiums and standard cars since 09, we just didn't know the extent

The whole world is shocked because this is not a classic PD move. That doesn't changed the fact that WE hyped it up with little to no information, and now that we realize we were wrong with what we hyped up, we blame PD.

We have not come up with this belief out of nowhere. They carefully selected what to show us so we did exactly what they wanted. They mislead us into digging our own hype grave. We are the ones who dug it, sure, but they made sure we were clueless about it. And why? For the love of god why? To kill us with disappointment?

 

[killanite]

Yeah, they just preferred to "leave that part out" conveniently. They knew what the backlash would be like. Someone earlier in the thread mentioned that what they did was a "lie of omission." You guys should ponder that idea for a while.

You do realise.. That Sony takes care of most the buildup and PR for PD.
Not only that but EVERY game wants to show the best cards in their hands first.
Did turn10 show gameplay of interiors that didn't work during the game's PR? No. They showed off mainly the cars that were new and had obviously had the most attention to detail put towards them.
It's not just GT/PD/Sony doing this. Game's show their best, and try to avoid showing their faults before release. I was actually surprised when I saw that video being released so soon.