Your thoughts about "standard" vs. "premium"
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Yup, because adding aaftermarket wheels would turn the car into a ricer, or something like that
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- Vano89
....so 800 cars haven't got cockpit view, are graphically worse, probably they aren't so accurate as premiums are AND you can't even customize them...
nice job, kaz.... 5 years for a couple of new tracks and 250 premium cars?
I knew that watching the leaked copies videos would have ruined my passion for gt5..... now I only hope cars to be realistic and the game to be worthy of so much time in developement
nice job, kaz.... 5 years for a couple of new tracks and 250 premium cars?
I knew that watching the leaked copies videos would have ruined my passion for gt5..... now I only hope cars to be realistic and the game to be worthy of so much time in developement
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shirakawaa
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At least Standard cars will have better sounds (althought it's yet to be confirmed if all of them will be improved in that aspect).
I'll pretend to be playing a hyptothetical Enthusia 2 while using them.
I'll pretend to be playing a hyptothetical Enthusia 2 while using them.
Strittan
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I love the jaw dropping detail on the premium cars and I think 200+ is plenty, so I wouldn't like to have more average cars over fewer amazing cars.the more i saw the videos and the more i hate standard cars.. they're just crap and if i think about all the time wasted on the stiches of the backseat of a ****** Wwagen instead of working on an avarage level for all cars....
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I wonder if that's even true, though.
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Thats the SYSTEM im talking about the input DATA for each Standard or PRE-new system car...
Obviously the new system has much more parameters, but the parameters they sampled for the standards is what theyre going to be inputting in the new system, but still that can mean that standards have a less "complex" physical modeling despite using the same system.
Like i said its not easy to answer or figure out without help from big KY himself.
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- spagetti69
Kaz is working on GT6 now.
The whole go karting feature was meant for GT6 but he added it because members wanted it or expected it. Oh and because a bigwig confirmed it was in.
Kaz really wants to add what fans want. So everytime someone mentions a motorbike, course editor, GPS and topping up windscreen washer bottles he adds them in.
Unfortunately it seem as though it's a drop what were doing and start on the next big thing. This leads to unfinished and half added ideas. Trying to encompass all but at the detriment of the basics.
Should get the foundations done, then move on.
GT6 in 2012.......... Your having a laugh.
The whole go karting feature was meant for GT6 but he added it because members wanted it or expected it. Oh and because a bigwig confirmed it was in.
Kaz really wants to add what fans want. So everytime someone mentions a motorbike, course editor, GPS and topping up windscreen washer bottles he adds them in.
Unfortunately it seem as though it's a drop what were doing and start on the next big thing. This leads to unfinished and half added ideas. Trying to encompass all but at the detriment of the basics.
Should get the foundations done, then move on.
GT6 in 2012.......... Your having a laugh.
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- NewAesthetic
- SlipZtrEm
Jack of all trades, master of none...
Yeah, I don't buy GT6 coming out faster either. The argument is typically "they had to start fresh with GT5 to get the foundation right, GT6 will be a lot quicker to add more to!" or something roughly similar. The thing is, that argument definitely didn't pan out for GT4.
What gets me about this whole wheel debacle is, like Shirakawa suggested, maybe the new aftermarket rim shop is a lot more detailed than before. Maybe we can pick sizes, width, etc. So maybe they're just not compatible with the Standards (though I have no idea why, since the wheels have been separate entities from the bodies for a long time). But if that's the case... how hard would it have been to add a "Standard Model Wheel Shop" with our old GT4 options? Seriously? How are we getting a game six years after GT4 with less personalization options than that game?!
XEGTP - The Aston Martin DB9 '03 and '06 are probably good test subjects to see what's different about Standard and Premium. Or the myriad NA Miatas, since one is a Premium as well.
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I really wonder how these game developers think sometimes, it seems that they miss very importans stuff that could be made. Rims for 800 cars is possible since 700 cars had aftermarket rims in gt4. In forza 3, there are 500 cars with dcl and all of them can have aftermarked wheels, and even tire sizes used in real life.
I definatly think dcl is a good idea, and sometimes maybe it would be better if the same developer developed different games paralell with eachother. Gt5 for example could be 2 different games, one with stock supercars, for ppl that likes professional racing, and one with just the epic streetcars for ppl that are more in to the tuning/street scene. Developers need to bring ppl that focus one certain things only, and dont mix like they have done in gt5. Gt5 isnt a sucessful game according to me, 100% realistic driving feeling isnt everything, hence a realistic game must have many factors that are accurate. Realistic driving simulator, according to who?
We must have in mind that the main thing companies have in ther mind is earning $$$. They can still earn money if they focus on their core players, that would by a p3s and game just for driving some certain cars etc. Im afraid many developers will turn out like Need For Speed wich is totaly crap.
I definatly think dcl is a good idea, and sometimes maybe it would be better if the same developer developed different games paralell with eachother. Gt5 for example could be 2 different games, one with stock supercars, for ppl that likes professional racing, and one with just the epic streetcars for ppl that are more in to the tuning/street scene. Developers need to bring ppl that focus one certain things only, and dont mix like they have done in gt5. Gt5 isnt a sucessful game according to me, 100% realistic driving feeling isnt everything, hence a realistic game must have many factors that are accurate. Realistic driving simulator, according to who?
We must have in mind that the main thing companies have in ther mind is earning $$$. They can still earn money if they focus on their core players, that would by a p3s and game just for driving some certain cars etc. Im afraid many developers will turn out like Need For Speed wich is totaly crap.
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I'm trying my best to see how that makes any sense?
They could simply delete the code for the wheel when on a standard car.
Problem is that you can;t even put different standard wheels on standard cars.
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Even GT2 cars had changable wheels 
gtracedriver
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They said this long time ago and kept saying this many times.
You are thinking too hard
In this video they mention it again. Even if GT5 was to be released on PS2 they would improve physics. It will never be same.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FzwoTuZsPk
shirakawaa
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Here's the reasoning:
-> Premium wheels might have physical parameters (weight, inertia, etc) or other technical details not supported by Standard cars
-> PD didn't think it would be a good idea (technically and by a User Interface standpoint) to mix together "legacy" and new, Premium wheels having different characteristics
-> GT4 "legacy" wheels and the option to change stock ones in Standard cars get ditched
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Except if you take Forza's misshapen S2000, E36 M3 and Golf R32 and put them up against GT4's (and GT5's possibly) misshapen Jaguar S-Type and PT Cruiser.
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Top priority of the game are premium cars.standards=just pleasant/unpleasant variety.It is like - you want 1000 cars?ok,here ya go.BUT gt5 is all about THOSE 200+ PREMIUMS,those cars represent the game.So in general they don't give a **** about the rest.
You all need to relax. GT5 will still probably be the master of racing sims. Lets put aside the 800 cars. You still get 200 amazing cars that you can do anything you want with them. 200 cars that are more detailed than any competition (so whoever said forza 3 is more customizable than GT5 forget about the premiom cars), and 200 cars is still a huge number. And like it has been said before, I would hold off on saying that all of the standard cars wont have wheel customization.
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Now I know why we didn't get a livery option.
We would all make stickers for our back windows saying
" My other car's a premium "
We would all make stickers for our back windows saying
" My other car's a premium "
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Why would the premium cars have different physical parameters? AFAIK the physics are the same for every car in the game, both standard and premium
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Oh don't ruin it for them. Ignorance is bliss.
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I just hope there's a option somewhere to turn Standards off and experience those 200 amazing cars in the lush track environments without getting the perfect experience stained by low quality material.
If there isn't such an option, then I hope you can play all the way from start to finish just with Premiums, aswell as race only against Premiums like we saw on all demos so far.
