Forza3 Definitive Trailer: AKA Why we are better than GT5 w Pro Racer Testimonials.

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Jay
E3 build maybe (Che said that...) but the main middle screens view has been zoomed in since E3 causing the big mismatch of the triple screens, so it's not exactly the same.
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Thats one of the adjustable settings with the triple screen setup.

It's called degrees hidden and they have it up too high. It would make the game look very strange too.

Blitz187
Shift with the Ring looks nice on 3 screens... really looks like youre in the car... sense of speed also seems very high but that could be due to the circuit itself as well...
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Its more then likely due to the triple screen.

Having a proper FoV going out forward destroys the sense of speed but having 2 extra screens on the side to show what is going past you helps alot.
 
El Drifto
Forza is a great arcade game, with simulator features.
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Why make such opinionated remarks without any evidence to support them?...

Tomaz
Another video of 3-screen playing. It's better than in previous videos IMO.

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I can't watch the video due to slow internet but from the preview pic it does look to be setup much better. That other one must have been futzed with by a player or not setup right.
 
Black Chamber
Your post is bordering on the ridiculous. 👎

As I stated before, were it not for the statements and actions of the Turn 10 staff - I would have bought and played Forza 3- but now, I will not.

I despise hypocrites, I loathe lairs and I detest braggers. Turn 10 is all three of those things in one press conference.
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My post is bordering ridiculous? Honestly?

Fanboys are a plague and all they are out there to do is spark massive, endless debates about something that in the end can't be seen as any better or any worse than anything else. Forza 3 is going to be good, GT5 is going to be good. They are both very respectable console racing sims. I don't think one is going to be any better than the other in terms of features and what not...one very well may be more entertaining.

And I despise narrow minded fanboys ,loathe flame baiters, and detest the biased...what's your point?
 
Joey D
My post is bordering ridiculous? Honestly?

Fanboys are a plague and all they are out there to do is spark massive, endless debates about something that in the end can't be seen as any better or any worse than anything else. Forza 3 is going to be good, GT5 is going to be good. They are both very respectable console racing sims. I don't think one is going to be any better than the other in terms of features and what not...one very well may be more entertaining.

And I despise narrow minded fanboys ,loathe flame baiters, and detest the biased...what's your point?
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I kinda think of GT5 and Forza 3 has yin and yang.

Both different but equal and both can exist in harmony.

Of course fanboys don't see it that way.
 
FyreandIce
I kinda think of GT5 and Forza 3 has yin and yang.

Both different but equal and both can exist in harmony.

Of course fanboys don't see it that way.
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You are quite right, both Forza and GT are definitive racing games on their respective consoles. They aren't going to be identical because of being on different platforms, and it's pretty clear both the 360 and PS3 cater to different crowds, with a small overlap who enjoy both.
 
Joey, I think I have said it before, and I there are some who agree with me. But what bothers me about Forza the game are the ideals that are behind it, conveyed pretty good through the actions of T10. I don't like those ideals, because the symbolize, to me, that T10 is a company of arrogant and rude developers.

You know that expression "Don't judge a book by it's cover"? Well, the cover of forza may be awesome, and the chapters are very good, but the credits just suck in my honest opinion.
 
H3avyM3tal
Joey, I think I have said it before, and I there are some who agree with me. But what bothers me about Forza the game are the ideals that are behind it, conveyed pretty good through the actions of T10. I don't like those ideals, because the symbolize, to me, that T10 is a company of arrogant and rude developers.

You know that expression "Don't judge a book by it's cover"? Well, the cover of forza may be awesome, and the chapters are very good, but the credits just suck in my honest opinion.
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What's your point?

I don't like the way PD runs their company, they take to long to come out with anything and they don't show me very much innovation. I also don't really care for a lot of people who label themselves GT fans. This doesn't detract from the fact that the GT series is great though.

Saying "oh the developers are bad" has zero to do with whether or not Forza is a good series. If the marketing tactics of a company bother you that much how in the world do you ever buy anything at all?
 
Why would you judge the quality's of a game by the names that are in the credits list? I know it's Kazunori's dream to develop the ultimate racing simulation game. And as he said, we are never done with a game. There are always points to upgrade. But they have to release it sometime. And that's what I like of Polyphony Digital: They try to reach the best level. EA with their NFS is just **** and bring out a game about every year...:ill:
 
PD won't be controlling the marketing. Sony will control that, as they will with the whole PR side, ie, releasing information.
 
Joey D
What's your point?

I don't like the way PD runs their company, they take to long to come out with anything and they don't show me very much innovation. I also don't really care for a lot of people who label themselves GT fans. This doesn't detract from the fact that the GT series is great though.

Saying "oh the developers are bad" has zero to do with whether or not Forza is a good series. If the marketing tactics of a company bother you that much how in the world do you ever buy anything at all?
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You can't compare the two. PD taking too long to develop a game is not the same as Turn 10 being arrogant and rude. I have no problem with a developer that is proud of their product, but there is a difference between being proud and bribing voters on a meaningless internet poll, openly insulting the opposition, closing threads in your forums mentioning said opposition and threatening to ban the users who start them, constantly claiming you have "THE MOST DEFINITIVE RACING GAME OF THIS GENERATION" in every interview, etc.

Of course the way Turn 10 acts has nothing to do with the quality of their franchise. I own FM1 and FM2 and pre-ordered FM3 LCE; I'll be the first to say the first two were great games and T10 is a very talented studio. No one ever said they are bad at their job. But I've said it before and I'll say it again - the fact that they make a decent product isn't an excuse for the way they act. This rule applies to every single company in the world, not just developers.
 
TeamStig
You can't compare the two. PD taking too long to develop a game is not the same as Turn 10 being arrogant and rude. I have no problem with a developer that is proud of their product, but there is a difference between being proud and bribing voters on a meaningless internet poll, openly insulting the opposition, closing threads in your forums mentioning said opposition and threatening to ban the users who start them, constantly claiming you have "THE MOST DEFINITIVE RACING GAME OF THIS GENERATION" in every interview, etc.

Of course the way Turn 10 acts has nothing to do with the quality of their franchise. I own FM1 and FM2 and pre-ordered FM3 LCE; I'll be the first to say the first two were great games and T10 is a very talented studio. No one ever said they are bad at their job. But I've said it before and I'll say it again - the fact that they make a decent product isn't an excuse for the way they act. This rule applies to every single company in the world, not just developers.
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PD has arrogance in their own way, it's not brash like those at T10, but more or less telling the fans they can release GT whenever they like is a form of arrogance. It's just toned down arrogance. But like I said, I don't let that sort of stuff affect what I think of the game.

Do I like the way Turn 10 is acting? No, of course not, but just about every company does that. Look at the Apple commercials when they compare their computers to Window's based computers. Or just about any car commercial out there. It's all loaded with that crap. The way the developer acts should have no bearing on whether the game itself is good or bad. I think that seems to be one of the main things against Forza on these boards, which I'm still puzzled by.
 
Well I think PD meant that it's in a finished state and they're only waiting for Sony to give their permission.
 
Joey D
PD has arrogance in their own way, it's not brash like those at T10, but more or less telling the fans they can release GT whenever they like is a form of arrogance. It's just toned down arrogance. But like I said, I don't let that sort of stuff affect what I think of the game.

Do I like the way Turn 10 is acting? No, of course not, but just about every company does that. Look at the Apple commercials when they compare their computers to Window's based computers. Or just about any car commercial out there. It's all loaded with that crap. The way the developer acts should have no bearing on whether the game itself is good or bad. I think that seems to be one of the main things against Forza on these boards, which I'm still puzzled by.
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Yep the arrogance of T10 sucks, but on the other hand they got a reason for it. They managed something that took PD over 10 year to reach (if they do that is).
But well, still no reason to get cocky indeed. One thing that i do like about T10 is that they have a forum on the official website where the fans can ask questions and submit suggestions to the devs. Dunno if the seriously do something with the suggestions but at least it gives the fans on the forums the idea that they can help making the game better and come up with good idea's.
I still hate it that Polyphony doesn't have something like this. The should make an official forum on the GT website, and assign a employee of PD as community manager and let him check the forums for 1/2 hours a day. That way posting suggestions or criticisms doesn't feel as useless as it does on a third party forum that is probably never read by any of the developers.

Encyclopedia
Well I think PD meant that it's in a finished state and they're only waiting for Sony to give their permission.
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If thats true than it would be released on September 1st 2009 bundled with PS3 slims.
Dont think it has anything to do with Sony. Guess if you ask Sony they want it to be released as fast as possible at the moment since it could be a nice game to bump the sales figures even more during the PS3 Slim release.
 
I think people use T10's arrogance as an excuse, or have incredibly high double standards..

I take all devs/manufacturers with a pinch of salt, and just ignore their claptrap, or I'd not buy anything at all..

Sony for example, the whole "The next generation doesn't start until we say so", and "The PS3 is twice as powerful as the 360"..

And lets not forget Kaz's famous "I can't play more then 5 minutes of (Forza) as the poor quality just stands out too much"..

And the list goes on..

Sure T10 seem to have had the MS Marketing machine thrown at them big style, sure what they say is idiotic, I don't see anyone saying anything different..

But crucially, to accuse them of everything and admonish PD/Sony, you have to really be incredibly short-sighted/irrationally predjudiced, or just plain insane.. ;)

:)
 
GT4Ever
If thats true than it would be released on September 1st 2009 bundled with PS3 slims.
Dont think it has anything to do with Sony. Guess if you ask Sony they want it to be released as fast as possible at the moment since it could be a nice game to bump the sales figures even more during the PS3 Slim release.
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Well it wouldn't make sense to release it before GTM. It's obvious that Sony want it to boost their sales of the PSP.
 
He probably didn't but yes T10 are a bunch of people i wouldn't trust myself to be locked in a room with for a minute or so.
 
Encyclopedia
Well it wouldn't make sense to release it before GTM. It's obvious that Sony want it to boost their sales of the PSP.
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Indeed. I hope it's released shortly after though, as KY stated. The games are going to integrate with each other, so it can't be too long. :dopey:
 
G.T.Ace
Where is that from please?
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lowmax2
Yes, I'm quite curious. When did Kaz say this, please link.
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TGM Tiddy
He probably didn't
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From here..

Eurogamer interview

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Eurogamer: When you look at the games which have come out since GT4 - with Forza Motorsport probably being the most notable - do you see things that you'd like to do, things that have moved the genre forward? Or do you develop Gran Turismo in a vacuum, ignoring the competition?

Kazunori Yamauchi: The latter is actually exactly fitting, I think. We don't reference any other games when we're making Gran Turismo - it's purely based on what we want to achieve as a game.

Actually, I have difficulty playing other games for over five minutes. A lot of the low-level quality just stands out so much in other games that I can't stand them!
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phil-t
And lets not forget Kaz's famous "I can't play more then 5 minutes of (Forza) as the poor quality just stands out too much"..
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Kikizo: Could you give us your opinion on Forza MotorSport 2 for the Xbox 360, and in particular, the ability to reskin your car in very great detail - are you going to have this degree of superficial car customisation in GT5?

Yamauchi: Straight off the bat, I think that in terms of feature sets, Forza is ahead of us. They have more options, you can do basically anything. We take a different approach obviously - we try to concentrate on what are the core values for a racing game, and we try to elevate those standards up as high as we possibly can. I am having difficulty trying to explain the differences, but one way you can look at it is, you can buy a watch that is super multifunctional, but economical, or a watch that is reduced in functions, but premium - higher end.
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Classy.
 
Hey, I don't mind T10 arrogance. I mind their open slander of others. If T10 just kept hyping their game and say its the best there is all over and over, I wouldn't mind.

Joey, you obviously missed my point. But I promise you this, one game has a soul while the other is out to get that soul. Vocally and with no tact whatsoever. This is what T10 is doing in my eyes. This is what I think. I don't think the game is bad, I just see it in different colors, which I do not like so much. On the other hand, I don't LOVE Sony or PD. I like what they are doing, because when I look at the scales, they have done more good than harm.

T10 just need more tact and class. I see them as, sorry to say it, stupid and childish.
 
phil-t
And lets not forget Kaz's famous "I can't play more then 5 minutes of (Forza) as the poor quality just stands out too much".
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that's what you ASSUME (because you want to find hostility in his words), he may be talking about test drive unlimited, pgr, midnight club, dirt, grid, nfs prostreet.... there are so many

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Actually, I have difficulty playing other games for over five minutes. A lot of the low-level quality just stands out so much in other games that I can't stand them!
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This is what you said first

"I can't play more then 5 minutes of (Forza) as the poor quality just stands out too much"
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And then you quoted the following:

"Eurogamer: When you look at the games which have come out since GT4 - with Forza Motorsport probably being the most notable - do you see things that you'd like to do, things that have moved the genre forward? Or do you develop Gran Turismo in a vacuum, ignoring the competition?

Kazunori Yamauchi: The latter is actually exactly fitting, I think. We don't reference any other games when we're making Gran Turismo - it's purely based on what we want to achieve as a game.

Actually, I have difficulty playing other games for over five minutes. A lot of the low-level quality just stands out so much in other games that I can't stand them!"
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I'm not going to get into a discussion on how what you said could have been misleading. Although I would recommend that with these issues, that you just go ahead and quote the thing from the source. As your first quote made it seem as if it was a direct attack on Forza, but the second one Kaz says "other games". :)
 
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