Forza3 Definitive Trailer: AKA Why we are better than GT5 w Pro Racer Testimonials.

[G.T.Ace]

Yeah, like Zer0 proved above, he never said Forza was low-quality or bad.

 

[phil-t]

that's what you ASSUME (because you want to find hostility in his words), he may be talking about test drive unlimited, pgr, midnight club, dirt, grid, nfs prostreet.... there are so many

read again

Yeah, like Zer0 proved above, he never said Forza was low-quality or bad.

Whether lumped in with other games (which is exactly what he is saying) or not, he is still saying it's poor quality, the fact the question was loaded with 'notably forza' meant he could have qualified his answer if he wanted to exclude forza from the 'other games' comment.. Honestly, you can't expect any normal person to interpret his response any differently..


And even if you truly believe he didn't mean Forza, what about the Forza 2 comment?

Both sides are equally as bad as each other..

Or do we need to look at the over-promising and under-delivering of recent years to see that in fact neither side can claim any amount of vindication.


That is all.

 

[Zer0]

Both sides are equally as bad as each other..

 

[MonkeySkater]

Today, my opinion of Forza 3 is this.

Looks like a great game, great features, and great visuals. But it looks like ass COMPARED to Gran Turismo 5.

Thats my opinion for the day.

 

[phil-t]

Are you for real?

Have you forgotten the over-promising and under-delivering of GT4 Online, GTHD, Damage being downloadable in GT5p.. The above comments from Kaz himself (the indisputable FM2 comment).. All the Sony stuff when the 360 launched?

Please don't think I'm saying MS/T10 are good/better/whatever, they aren't.. But to imply it's remotely one-sided is delusional.

 

[lowmax2]

Whether lumped in with other games (which is exactly what he is saying) or not, he is still saying it's poor quality, the fact the question was loaded with 'notably forza' meant he could have qualified his answer if he wanted to exclude forza from the 'other games' comment.. Honestly, you can't expect any normal person to interpret his response any differently..


And even if you truly believe he didn't mean Forza, what about the Forza 2 comment?

Both sides are equally as bad as each other..

Or do we need to look at the over-promising and under-delivering of recent years to see that in fact neither side can claim any amount of vindication.


That is all.

This is the interviewer's mistake. Kaz's reply was quite strong, and a good interviewer should have gotten to the bottom of it. But no, they chose to leave it at that and let our imagination run wild.

As for the Forza 2 comment, that's how I always viewed the Forza series as a "Jack of all trades, master of none". But to be honest didn't expect Kaz to be that blunt about it.

 

[Zer0]

Are you for real?

Have you forgotten the over-promising and under-delivering of GT4 Online, GTHD, Damage being downloadable in GT5p.. The above comments from Kaz himself (the indisputable FM2 comment).. All the Sony stuff when the 360 launched?

Why do you want to bring Sony/MS stuff here?

The difference is that you need to try very hard with misinformations and misinterpretations to make look PD as bad as T10 is doing, T10 is very clear with his attitude and declarations against PD, they want to be PD and they want the success of GT and his respectful in the industry, but that not's the way. PD is ahead all that, only speaks about other games when someone ask for it, they don't need that publicity.

About over-promising and under-delivering you only can complain about the online part of GT4, even when its true that was released a "GT4 Online" for testing:
http://media.ps2.ign.com/media/827/827873/imgs_1.html

And take a look at this interview from December 2007 about Prologue/GT5:
http://www.vodcars.com/garage419/episode/419_20071211

Oh and T10 speak English, KY is always translated from Japanese and a lot of times his words lost in translation.

 

[TECHNIKRS4]

He probably didn't but yes T10 are a bunch of people i wouldn't trust myself to be locked in a room with for a minute or so.

Yea okay mate i know who you are and you are telling porkies because over on some websites you don't say this type of rubbish.....
I mean come on i love both games why do you have to favor one, and try to cause arguments??

 

[GTP_HairyCurry]

Forza may lag behind GT in some ways, but I doubt it's going to be released unfinished as appears to be the case with GT5.

 

[H3avyM3tal]

Forza may lag behind GT in some ways, but I doubt it's going to be released unfinished as appears to be the case with GT5.

Are we missing something here? Do you know something that we don't? Or did you actually think that the GT5 demo was from the 100% finished product?

 

[GTP_HairyCurry]

Are we missing something here? Do you know something that we don't? Or did you actually think that the GT5 demo was from the 100% finished product?

Your attempt at critique fails laughably.
I made no such assertions in my post. Perhaps you should improve your command of the English language.
Have a nice day

 

[Encyclopedia]

Your attempt at critique fails laughably.
I made no such assertions in my post. Perhaps you should improve your command of the English language.
Have a nice day

What makes it seem unfinished?

 

[hardvibes]

Forza may lag behind GT in some ways, but I doubt it's going to be released unfinished as appears to be the case with GT5.

oh please.... you got no proof of what you're saying and you're doing the same thing in the damage thread. at least add to your comments "IN MY HUMBLE OPINION"

 

[phil-t]

Why do you want to bring Sony/MS stuff here?

Only because MS/Sony have a hand in all the marketing spiel that goes with these games.

The difference is that you need to try very hard with misinformations and misinterpretations to make look PD as bad as T10 is doing, T10 is very clear with his attitude and declarations against PD, they want to be PD and they want the success of GT and his respectful in the industry, but that not's the way. PD is ahead all that, only speaks about other games when someone ask for it, they don't need that publicity.

Ahh cmon, in both those interviews above, it's bleeding obvious the first is a sly dig at all other driving games, including Forza, and the Forza 2 comment is indisputable, if he wanted to be totally respectful, he'd not comment..

About over-promising and under-delivering you only can complain about the online part of GT4, even when its true that was released a "GT4 Online" for testing:
http://media.ps2.ign.com/media/827/827873/imgs_1.html

So some half baked test version was made that didn't make it to production or to the general public

And take a look at this interview from December 2007 about Prologue/GT5:
http://www.vodcars.com/garage419/episode/419_20071211

or look at this one..
http://www.consolemonster.com/newspost.php?id=0000003286

Oh and T10 speak English, KY is always translated from Japanese and a lot of times his words lost in translation.

I think the FM2 comment etc certainly aren't lost in translation, as aren't a lot of the 'promises'..

Don't get me wrong, I have no more respect for PD then I do T10, they are developers, they are very motivated in promoting their own products, they are influenced by their respective hardware manufacturer publishers, and I just see them as largely doing the same type of undesirable things.. I just don't choose to accept one and not accept the other..

Peace?

 

[Tenacious D]

Both sides are equally as bad as each other..

Oh my gawd... yes, and you have to edit Kazunori's remarks, getting him to say something he didn't to force your point. That is all.

Some of you people who whine about fanboys, and then pass endless excuses off for the behavior of certain arrogant, trash talking developers should be smacked with a pillow. Talk about hypocrisy, gee whiz...

I will have to add that some people have a bit too much temerity, saying Gran Turismo has changed almost not at all, and here in FW3, we have a game series which is basically stolen, lock stock and rims from Polyphony Digital, and the big innovation from F2 to 3 is rewind. Yes, there are nice tweaks and enhancements, and those are welcome I'm sure.

But by golly, GT5 is showing a bit more than that in it's move to a far more advanced console. To insist that Gran Turismo never changes or innovates, an untruth, and then bag on GT fans here while ignoring the childish antics of Turn 10 members...

Yes, that is appalling. 👎

 

[The_Paladin]

I HATE! Kazunori Yamauchi big mouth, really, i have lots of respect for Polyphony Digital but in my opinion someone should stop him to comment features and plans that end up in nothing but words.

Atleast with all the Dan "defintive blabla bla" im sure is just a marketing ******** (and i dont like it either) but with Kaz he promise GT4 online and no, a testing beta doesnt mean a thing, he promise an addon for all of us, he says things like "its going to be pretty soon" (in 2007), "we are still working on GTPSP" and then 2 years of silence, GT psp was a joke for the industry for much time, "damage is going to be a downloadable content for GT5p"

Really i love the game but i cant stand his promises, its completely unreliable. I think that PD is a great developer but im not ok with the Kaz, i think he worries too much in something completely forget about others, thats why there was so little evolution in GT4, now finally looks like he care about things like the collision physics and the multiplayer, i hope he do the same with the AI, skidmarks and atleast some customization, il be happy if we can paint our cars in some basic levels atleast.

For me Kazunori Yamuichi = Peter Molyneux , lots of talk, the game final game is good but is not near of what (or when) was promised.

 

[Zathra5_]

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And lets not forget Kaz's famous "I can't play more then 5 minutes of (Forza) as the poor quality just stands out too much"..

Wow, that is incredibly dishonest. It is not up to you to decide what someone did or didn't mean and then change their quote. It really doesn't matter what he meant. It's way out of bounds to misrepresent a quote like that.

 

[Joey D]

Wow, that is incredibly dishonest. It is not up to you to decide what someone did or didn't mean and then change their quote. It really doesn't matter what he meant. It's way out of bounds to misrepresent a quote like that.

In was in an answer about a question regarding Forza, I would wager he was referring to it.

 

[Angerdx]

Honestly i wish PD would go total coms blackout until they are done and can come out and say, hey the game is done and released at that date, that´s all thanks for your support, people just don´t deserve any interviews or info as whatever they do they are lying or having a big mouth, sheesh people act like they are owed something.

@Joey D

What you think has no bearing on what he said, you don´t misrepresent a quote like what phil did, period.
KAZ has been asked that same question multiple times for various games and the answer has always been the same.

 

[Joey D]

@Joey D
What you think has no bearing on what he said, you don´t misrepresent a quote like what phil did, period.
KAZ has been asked that same question multiple times for various games and the answer has always been the same.

The question in that interview ask do you pay attention to other games, most notably Forza Motorsports. You've seen his answer. There is no interpreting about it, it's reading the question and how he responded.

What I find funny is if Kaz was switched with Dan Greenwalt then there would be no question about it that he would be refering to Gran Turismo, even if he answered in the exact same way.

 

[Azerach]

phil-t... you should just stick to nuthugging che on neogaf 💡

 

[The_Paladin]

Honestly i wish PD would go total coms blackout until they are done and can come out and say, hey the game is done and released at that date, that´s all thanks for your support, people just don´t deserve any interviews or info as whatever they do they are lying or having a big mouth, sheesh people act like they are owed something.

You know what? I think that would be a GREAT idea, i been hearing that GT5 since 2006, year after year, Turn10 learn with the Forza 2 development, they shut up about Forza 3, they announce it and they are going to release it few months laters after that.
I wish PD do that, i dont want features that get cut before the release or dates that fall short for more than 2 years!

 

[G.T.Ace]

phil-t... you should just stick to nuthugging che on neogaf 💡

Yeah this really proves how mature the GT community is, keep it up. 👍

 

[phil-t]

phil-t... you should just stick to nuthugging che on neogaf 💡

You couldn't be further from the truth if you tried..

I love GT.. I just also happen to like FM..

Go and look at my posts in all other threads on here.. and Neogaf if you wish.. same username..

My only reason for commenting so much in this thread is simply as there is a lot of unfair criticism that is very one sided at times..

Peace..

 

[Joey D]

My only reason for commenting so much in this thread is simply as there is a lot of unfair criticism that is very one sided at times..

👍 Agreed, unfortunately you are always going to get that on a specific product fan forum though .

 

[Famine]

👍 Agreed, unfortunately you are always going to get that on a specific product fan forum though .

Ahem? www.forzaplanet.net?

 

[SaberFire]

*clicks*
Huh...
*clicks again*
Huh...
*clicks again*
I guess this is where I come to discuss Forza then...

 

[Black Chamber]

Fanboys are a plague and all they are out there to do is spark massive, endless debates about something that in the end can't be seen as any better or any worse than anything else.

And I despise narrow minded fanboys ,loathe flame baiters, and detest the biased...what's your point?

You sound like a fanboy yourself! 👍

As for what you detest - you are aiming that at the GT5/FM3 communities - I was aiming my dislikes against the Turn 10 staff.

Joey, I think I have said it before, and I there are some who agree with me. But what bothers me about Forza the game are the ideals that are behind it, conveyed pretty good through the actions of T10. I don't like those ideals, because the symbolize, to me, that T10 is a company of arrogant and rude developers.

You know that expression "Don't judge a book by it's cover"? Well, the cover of forza may be awesome, and the chapters are very good, but the credits just suck in my honest opinion.

Quoted for truth. +1 👍

The only book you can judge by it's cover is a Playboy magazine.

What's your point?

I don't like the way PD runs their company, they take to long to come out with anything and they don't show me very much innovation. I also don't really care for a lot of people who label themselves GT fans. This doesn't detract from the fact that the GT series is great though.

That's a nice one-sided statement. 👎

Polyphony Digital is a very organized, soft-spoken company - they don't have to insult the competition to sell their game or even tout it as superior to all other racing games, because the games they make speak for themselves. Turn 10 seems to feel that their game won't speak for itself, so they constantly speak in it's stead.

You can't compare the two. PD taking too long to develop a game is not the same as Turn 10 being arrogant and rude. I have no problem with a developer that is proud of their product, but there is a difference between being proud and bribing voters on a meaningless internet poll, openly insulting the opposition, closing threads in your forums mentioning said opposition and threatening to ban the users who start them, constantly claiming you have "THE MOST DEFINITIVE RACING GAME OF THIS GENERATION" in every interview, etc.

The fact that they make a decent product isn't an excuse for the way they act. This rule applies to every single company in the world, not just developers.

Excellent point. 👍

 

[Joey D]

Ahem? www.forzaplanet.net?

Even though when I brought up Forza news should be discussed and it was shot down? Ya, sure.

You sound like a fanboy yourself! 👍

As for what you detest - you are aiming that at the GT5/FM3 communities - I was aiming my dislikes against the Turn 10 staff.

Just curious but how do you figure I'm a fanboy?

That's a nice one-sided statement. 👎

Polyphony Digital is a very organized, soft-spoken company - they don't have to insult the competition to sell their game or even tout it as superior to all other racing games, because the games they make speak for themselves. Turn 10 seems to feel that their game won't speak for itself, so they constantly speak in it's stead.

It's a matter of culture, which has been discussed numerous times before. But in just these last couple of pages it's been shown through interviews that Kaz and PD aren't as innocent as everyone seems to think. I don't like the way PD runs their company though, we are promised things which don't get delivered (all games do this though) and the amount of development time seems unreasonable to me. However, as I've said that doesn't take away from the fact that it's an excellent game series.

 

[Famine]

We have a forum for XBox360 games - and even one specifically for Forza 2. We just don't have a Forza 3 specific forum yet. Though there is a 1,200-post thread about it.