Gran Turismo 6 coming to PS3

So that would mean that the PS2 and PS3 sold 0 units based upon the launch racing games they had!

Oh wait I bought Motorstorm with my PS3 at launch so that can't be right.

I bought Tiger Woods with my PS3 (because there wasn't crap to play on it) and played the living snot out of the MotorStorm demo. The GTHD demo didn't do much for me. Waiting 2 years to buy the Japanese GT5p was agonizing, spent $80 on that!

Taking 2 years to release a GT game on PS4 will be torturous. As well as uncompetitive with the other console's marquee racing franchise. SONY & PD can't help it T10 is churning out some version of the FM franchise every year now, because of outsourcing.
 
The way I see it is that there will be more even content to build a better offline experience, which is all I want from the game.

Yep, GT6 will definitely offer more A-spec. And when I get the game, A-Spec is 0% done again... :-) I'm curious if they'll offer a way to import stats, achievements or trophies from GT5 into GT6.
 
Taking 2 years to release a GT game on PS4 will be torturous.

The most torturous part for me is that we don't know if it will be 8 months after PS4 launch, 1 year, 2 years or 5 years again. It could be anything and PD's unpredictable.

If rumors about GT6 on PS3 are right, it took them 3 years to make the follow-up on the same platform. Three years! In three years PS4-buyers might already think about the next generation again and no one knows if PS4 will get the same 10 years-cycle as PS3. Probably not.
 
Just so everyone knows, there has been a slight change of plans, and Sony will not be providing an official live video stream of the Gran Turismo 15th Anniversary event. Official video will be released after it has concluded.

I'll still be posting live updates and announcements from Silverstone to GTPlanet, assuming WiFi / 3G coverage is available, to get the info out as quickly as possible to you guys.

Three more days! :D
 
Why do people want GT6 on PS3 anyway? More events? More cars and tracks?

Like I said earlier, it will be GT5 XXL

I think its easy to see where the sides stand and why. People who want GT6 on PS3 have no interest at all in buying a PS4 anytime soon, and certainly not just to try out the latest GT game. Or they fear GT6 on PS4 may not be released for years. Both reasons put little care into the quality of game GT6 could be.

The GT6/PS4 crowd, like myself, were mostly early PS3 adopters, those who now have had their PS3s for almost 7 years. At last, the time has come to ditch the PS3 and finally upgrade to the PS4. But Sony is asking us to hold on to the PS3 for another 2 years to play GT6. Thanks, but no thanks. I'll be moving on. Im quite finished with PS3. In fact I have been for a good while. Maybe those who bought PS3 late 2010 with GT5 or even later still think PS3 has lots of life left in it. But I dont.

/Thread.

Couldn't have said it better myself, if you support the evolution of the series then you also support GT6 on PS4, meanwhile if you want to see GT stay stagnant then PS3 is your answer.
 
Nice, so we get to download and see the teaser in Full HD glory afterwards. That's better.
 
Just so everyone knows, there has been a slight change of plans, and Sony will not be providing an official live video stream of the Gran Turismo 15th Anniversary event. Official video will be released after it has concluded.

I'll still be posting live updates and announcements from Silverstone to GTPlanet, assuming WiFi / 3G coverage is available, to get the info out as quickly as possible to you guys.

Three more days! :D

Ok. Wish they had a live webcast though,
 
/Thread.

If you support the evolution of the series then you also support GT6 on PS4, meanwhile if you want to see GT stay stagnant then PS3 is your answer.
This is the funniest one yet; even better than your profit analysis from a few pages ago.

What next? You'll only want another on the PS3 if you hate Gran Turismo?
 
I don't know why it's even a debate. We already know GT6 is on PS3. Sony employees have even let it slip already in interviews :/
 
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I'm most certainly not looking at it just from a PD point of view at all. The $150+ million revenue in the early months from a PS3 GT6 would be split roughly 60/40 between Sony and PD (based on standard splits for a game sale), as such it benefits Sony more than PD.

Even if a PS4 GT title was still full price after a year (which I seriously doubt) it would not return as much potential revenue as a PS3 title (unless they can shift 70 million PS4's in a year).

I'm not sure even 5 million is a realistic expectation within the first few months, especially given PS4 will be out end of this year.

Honestly I think Gran Turismo is just one of the games that somehow made their way to every tenth person gaming library because of ...1. it's the most well known racing game, just pure reputation ...

and 2. cars just happens to be something everyone in the world can relate to and has buying power just because people want "a real" racing game, even though they suck at true driving skills... they buy it and play it here and there and never care to excel at improving their skill level thus loosing interest ... that's the only 2 reasons I can see how a rather simple racing game has sold such unbelievable amount

So going by GT5 10 million sales, I figure it breaks down to 3 catagories:

1. 1-2 million are pretty big enthusiasts who play all the time and have become addicted to being the most perfect they can and enjoy fun and satisfaction real racing competition brings.

2. 2-3 million are playing it sometimes, kind of know how to handle the hard to drive cars around tracks but haven't gotten to the point that keeps them coming back because it's too tough or not fun enough.

3. The rest bought it (or got it as a gift), play around, might have fun but never developed a real sense of the fun of being good at just racing cars properly.

^^ Warning! Based on my personal feeling. Not based on facts.

What does that have to do with this? I think these 3 categories speak to the way GT6 would sell either early on PS4.

1. "Almost certain" to upgrade to next gen asap.
2. Probably half would very much consider upgrading to PS4 asap.
3. Wouldn't make a difference

In case of late PS3 release:

1. All will buy
2. Almost all will buy
3. Few will buy

Nobody knows how many PS4's will be floating around the world after a year or so, but I bet it will sell well. The point is, the more games there are the easier high sales targets will be possible.

Nor does it help recoup development costs for the PS4 as much as a PS3 title would. Which would you rather have 60% of 150+ million or of $6.5 million, because that's the difference you are talking about in the first few months alone (and these are NOT based on GT6 on the PS3 selling 10 million, rather they are based on 5 million).

Sony and PD both will benefit far more financially from a PS3 GT title than they ever would from a PS4 launch GT title, now they may be willing to write that off, but personally I find it unlikely.

Not quite sure how you came to these numbers, but anyway I think it would just be more speculation if I were to counter that with my revenue theories..


Will it be good and worth $60 is a question that should be asked of any title, on any platform and would apply just as much regardless of it being on the PS3 or the PS4, yet oddly you assume it only needs asking of a PS3 title?

From a logical financial point of view a PS3 GT6 will bring in huge revenue from the existing user base (and could also be supported by DLC) and allow two years for a user base to establish on the PS4 and for PD to fine tune a GT7 release. That is, from a financial point of view by far the most logical view.

Again I feel a solid overhaul of GT5 would be very good. GT5 Spec III for $20 or $30, hold all the content they've produced over the last years for PS4 and boom!! best racing game on the market!
 
A large DLC pack for GT5 wouldn't accomplish anything this long after the game's release but waste money; and if an increase in revenue in response to a large amount of effort by PD was the name of the game why wouldn't they just release another title entirely?
 
Just so everyone knows, there has been a slight change of plans, and Sony will not be providing an official live video stream of the Gran Turismo 15th Anniversary event. Official video will be released after it has concluded.

I'll still be posting live updates and announcements from Silverstone to GTPlanet, assuming WiFi / 3G coverage is available, to get the info out as quickly as possible to you guys.

Three more days! :D

Oh well, I'll pray for the gods of wi-fi and 3G that you have a good connection there.

The waiting for info will be INSANE. :scared::scared::scared:
 
Just so everyone knows, there has been a slight change of plans, and Sony will not be providing an official live video stream of the Gran Turismo 15th Anniversary event. Official video will be released after it has concluded.

I'll still be posting live updates and announcements from Silverstone to GTPlanet, assuming WiFi / 3G coverage is available, to get the info out as quickly as possible to you guys.

Three more days! :D

Ooooh man, ugh. They probably want to be able to edit any slips of the tongue.


GT6 on PS4 within the launch window, same timeframe GT3 released, would set the stage for 2 GT games on PS4. Waiting 4 years for GT6 on PS4, would be not good for us. The reason GT5 is the lowest in sales is because of the other console's market share and because it was released very late.
 
Just so everyone knows, there has been a slight change of plans, and Sony will not be providing an official live video stream of the Gran Turismo 15th Anniversary event. Official video will be released after it has concluded.

I'll still be posting live updates and announcements from Silverstone to GTPlanet, assuming WiFi / 3G coverage is available, to get the info out as quickly as possible to you guys.

Three more days! :D

Aww. But I most certainly can't wait to hear your updates and announcenments Jordan. 👍👍 for you. :D

This is the funniest one yet; even better than your profit analysis from a few pages ago.

What next? You'll only want another on the PS3 if you hate Gran Turismo?

+1. I bet you he'll come up with that too, hahahaha! :lol:
 
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Couldn't have said it better myself, if you support the evolution of the series then you also support GT6 on PS4, meanwhile if you want to see GT stay stagnant then PS3 is your answer.

Give me a break. :rolleyes:

GT5 is not the best PD can do on the PS3.
 
Just so everyone knows, there has been a slight change of plans, and Sony will not be providing an official live video stream of the Gran Turismo 15th Anniversary event. Official video will be released after it has concluded.

NOOOOO! :(

I'll still be posting live updates and announcements from Silverstone to GTPlanet, assuming WiFi / 3G coverage is available, to get the info out as quickly as possible to you guys.

Three more days! :D

Very much appreciated. :)
 
yeah right, that would be wonderful, 8 cars on track = dream of every online league

I'd rather have standard cars only races with 40 cars on track.Seriously, decreasing the number of cars on track is one of the worst things they could do.

I agree 100%. Reducing car count would be a huge step back and not for the betterment of the franchise.

For real. 12 car fields should be the baseline again, with up to 16.

Well guys, of course it would be better to have more cars racing 16+ or at least 12 like in GT5 and I agree that we all would like to see that, but let´s be realistic, PS3 is not powerful enough for GT beautiful graphics + 12/16 cars in races + stable framerate + without screen tearing and all that @1080p. Unfortunately GT5 had way too many problems!

GT 4 ran at a relatively meagre 632x448 resolution so the leap to 1280x720, let alone 1280x1080 is vast enough in its own right. Frame rates on GT4 were undoubtedly higher and screen tearing is nowhere near as pronounced as it is in GT5. GT4 was a great game although with only 6 cars in races, but it was nice and smooth ride all the way! :)

fps drops and screen tearing are really annoying and especially in visually beautiful Gran Turismo game! I would rather sacrifice no. of cars and take smooth GT game without visual problems than to see GT with many cars but with annoying and distracting fps problems, screen tearing etc...

They need to do something if they want faultless GT6, reduce the number of cars or reduce resolution from 1080 to 720p.
 
I bought GoW saga and it came with this video:

At 1:15:50 a guy asks to the directors why GOW2 is a PS2 game rather than PS3. I think the same reasoning of the director's answer can be used for Gran Turismo. If Sony wants a big title to be on the older system, I guess they have very good reasons to do so. They (probably) know what they are doing.
PD is a developer that relies only on one game, so it must be as profitable a possible, and I think that's on PS3.
 
I'm not sure even 5 million is a realistic expectation within the first few months, especially given PS4 will be out end of this year.

Honestly I think Gran Turismo is just one of the games that somehow made their way to every tenth person gaming library because of ...1. it's the most well known racing game, just pure reputation ...

and 2. cars just happens to be something everyone in the world can relate to and has buying power just because people want "a real" racing game, even though they suck at true driving skills... they buy it and play it here and there and never care to excel at improving their skill level thus loosing interest ... that's the only 2 reasons I can see how a rather simple racing game has sold such unbelievable amount

So going by GT5 10 million sales, I figure it breaks down to 3 catagories:

1. 1-2 million are pretty big enthusiasts who play all the time and have become addicted to being the most perfect they can and enjoy fun and satisfaction real racing competition brings.

2. 2-3 million are playing it sometimes, kind of know how to handle the hard to drive cars around tracks but haven't gotten to the point that keeps them coming back because it's too tough or not fun enough.

3. The rest bought it (or got it as a gift), play around, might have fun but never developed a real sense of the fun of being good at just racing cars properly.

^^ Warning! Based on my personal feeling. Not based on facts.

What does that have to do with this? I think these 3 categories speak to the way GT6 would sell either early on PS4.

1. "Almost certain" to upgrade to next gen asap.
2. Probably half would very much consider upgrading to PS4 asap.
3. Wouldn't make a difference

In case of late PS3 release:

1. All will buy
2. Almost all will buy
3. Few will buy
And even with all of that its still far more likely that it would shift more units on PS3 than it would in the first two years on the PS4.

To sell 5 million units on the PS3 in two years would still be a far lower target than any previous GT title (GT5 did that in its first month); to match that with the same attach rate on the PS4 you would need at least 50 million PS4's in the market in the first two years and you would still miss out on the most profitable period of time (the first sixth months) for the majority of your sales.




Nobody knows how many PS4's will be floating around the world after a year or so, but I bet it will sell well. The point is, the more games there are the easier high sales targets will be possible.
Quite true, but its unlikely to be the 50 million needed to match what GT needs, and that's the key factor here. GT titles drive console sales, that is without a doubt, but that is needed 1 to 2 years down the line, when the early adopters (who are going to buy it anyway) are done with and your into the conversions. Your at a point when the console itself may now be turning a profit and you have a user base in place to sell to and a product that will sell machines.

GT at launch will not make as much money as a GT two years after launch, either in revenue or profit.



Not quite sure how you came to these numbers, but anyway I think it would just be more speculation if I were to counter that with my revenue theories..

Here - https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=8460441#post8460441

Its my speculation, but its based on known values and reasonable assumptions.

Again I feel a solid overhaul of GT5 would be very good. GT5 Spec III for $20 or $30, hold all the content they've produced over the last years for PS4 and boom!! best racing game on the market!
GT6 on the PS3 is highly likely to be GT5.5 in reality (as arguably any sequel on the same gen is), but why on earth would they sell it for $20 - $30 when they know full well that they can shift it for $60.

As for just holding over content for the PS4 and boom you have the best racing game on the market! Sorry but have you actually seen how far PD have started to slip behind the competition this gen alone? They need a bit more than just held over content to get the top slot back again, which is again why a launch PS4 title is once again not a smart idea.

Your also once again proposing an idea that is less financially attractive for PD and Sony.


Just so everyone knows, there has been a slight change of plans, and Sony will not be providing an official live video stream of the Gran Turismo 15th Anniversary event. Official video will be released after it has concluded.

I'll still be posting live updates and announcements from Silverstone to GTPlanet, assuming WiFi / 3G coverage is available, to get the info out as quickly as possible to you guys.

Three more days! :D
3G coverage at Silverstone is fine 👍
 
Why do people want GT6 on PS3 anyway? More events? More cars and tracks?

Like I said earlier, it will be GT5 XXL
Like GT4 was an XXL version of GT3?
I know MeanElf's quote comes up periodically, but this meme ignores one crucial detail: that GT5 came out on PS3 in about the same time frame GT4 did on PS2, four years. In essence, GT5 was worked on for so long that it was its own sequel, and given that GT5 Prologue was quite a bit more than a demo.

I'm pretty firmly in the PS4 camp myself, so I can sympathize completely with Earth and the others. But at the same time, I'm so desperate for a well coded, SENSIBLE Gran Turismo game without the silliness of experience points and paint chips and a gimped online system and hardly any Race Mod to speak of and no Livery Editor or damage and so on that I have $60 earmarked for whatever PD produces on whichever Playstation.

Earth is totally right, and GT6 on PS3 will be less of a game than it would be on PS4 by a good margin. Heck, just being able to handle large files properly will be awesome! But having said that, Kaz and the team knows that anything they make for PS3 is going to have to be seriously good to be relevant in the upcoming next gen era. And they're going to have to put the ghost of GT5's weirdness and shortcomings to rest, because even though the market loved it, critics slammed it pretty hard, and no flagship developer sits on such a thorny crown. They're proud and competitive, and I expect them to have dug out all the tools over the past two and a half years.

amar212 is the source most of us cling to in regards GT6, and he's sure we'll love it. Jordan is making similar subtle noises. I have to believe given the crazy flaws in GT5 and the competition from a number of next gen racers, Forza 5 in particular, that Kaz had the team tear open the GT5 engine and rework it as much as they could. And given that the PS3 is still a pretty darn potent system as old as it is, I'm expecting some goodies that will make us fat and happy as kids after Thanksgiving supper. Three more days...

Oh well, back to racing my blenders. ;)
 
Just so everyone knows, there has been a slight change of plans, and Sony will not be providing an official live video stream of the Gran Turismo 15th Anniversary event. Official video will be released after it has concluded.

I'll still be posting live updates and announcements from Silverstone to GTPlanet, assuming WiFi / 3G coverage is available, to get the info out as quickly as possible to you guys.

Three more days! :D

Oh boo. Ah well! I look forward to it. :D
 
I bought GoW saga and it came with this video:

At 1:15:50 a guy asks to the directors why GOW2 is a PS2 game rather than PS3. I think the same reasoning of the director's answer can be used for Gran Turismo. If Sony wants a big title to be on the older system, I guess they have very good reasons to do so. They (probably) know what they are doing.
PD is a developer that relies only on one game, so it must be as profitable a possible, and I think that's on PS3.


This, while most folks are right and for GT's evolution a GT6 PS4 launch would be the best remember that Sony is in this for the money, if they see that GT6 will be more profitable on the PS3 they will release it there, because it already has an established user base, as someone that doesn't live in a country where money falls of trees like many of you seem to, i will not upgrade to the PS4 anytime soon, most people i know bought the PS3 after the slim version arrived, myself included, buying a console at launch isn't something everyone does and it is not a game that is going to change those people's mind and the reality is that a GT6 PS3 release is the most profitable and is probably the way PD/Sony are going to do it.

And people saying GT6 on the PS3 will be GT5.5 or GT5 XXL was that what GT2 was to GT1 and GT4 to GT3?
 
TokoTurismo
Really? Well. Is it a joke that GT6 will be a PS3 game not PS4, and a joke that PS3 has a larger install base unlike the PS4. Oh wait, no there not. :dopey:

How many people still play their PS3 now, how many people still play GT5 and how many people will actually BUY GT6 for PS3?
 
But having said that, Kaz and the team knows that anything they make for PS3 is going to have to be seriously good to be relevant in the upcoming next gen era. And they're going to have to put the ghost of GT5's weirdness and shortcomings to rest, because even though the market loved it, critics slammed it pretty hard, and no flagship developer sits on such a thorny crown. They're proud and competitive, and I expect them to have dug out all the tools over the past two and a half years.

amar212 is the source most of us cling to in regards GT6, and he's sure we'll love it. Jordan is making similar subtle noises. I have to believe given the crazy flaws in GT5 and the competition from a number of next gen racers, Forza 5 in particular, that Kaz had the team tear open the GT5 engine and rework it as much as they could. And given that the PS3 is still a pretty darn potent system as old as it is, I'm expecting some goodies that will make us fat and happy as kids after Thanksgiving supper. Three more days...

The bolded red is spot on.

Honestly, I considered GT5 dead on arrival; it was released utterly incomplete and only after years of updating did it become....mostly incomplete. And I want to consider GT6 the unofficial rebirth of the series. Hey, Capcom tried it with Devil May Cry. PD can too! ;)

Still, however, I am remaining poised. Or trying to, at least. It's been difficult considering Wednesday's potential news.
 
I know MeanElf's quote comes up periodically, but this meme ignores one crucial detail: that GT5 came out on PS3 in about the same time frame GT4 did on PS2, four years. In essence, GT5 was worked on for so long that it was its own sequel, and given that GT5 Prologue was quite a bit more than a demo.
Don't forget that GT4 also had a prologue and far more content to it than GT5:P (online aside of course).

Now it didn't come out in the US, but the rest of the world actually got four GT titles on the PS2:

  • GT3
  • GT Concept
  • GT4:P
  • GT4

And a gap of only 1-2 years between each of them, given that its certainly not impossible. In addition one thing that the PS2 taught Sony was that if you keep supporting a console after the launch of its successor it will still sell software well. As GOW2 mention above shows, launched a year after the PS3 came out, it sold 4.6 million units on the PS2 (the original sold 4.8 million). So a late PS2 life launch didn't hurt sales and certainly didn't hurt the series on the PS3.
 
About Sony France I'm sure about three things:
1. Something about GT is going to be announced on the 15th of May, at Silverstone.
2. Media and many other exec. people will be there including our own Jordan
3. It will no be live streamed
 
Does anybody think that Kazunori will still reveal the release date, considering this statement?

"If I carelessly say when it will be released, you’ll end up with people saying things like it’s been delayed again!? so I will no longer say at this type of event.”

Source: Click here
 
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Does anybody think that Kazunori will still reveal the release date, considering this statement?

"If I carelessly say when it will be released, you’ll end up with people saying things like ‘it’s been delayed again!?’ so I will no longer say at this type of event.”

Source: Click here

We will get "soon", again.
 
CorvetteConquer
Does anybody think that Kazunori will still reveal the release date, considering this statement?

"If I carelessly say when it will be released, you’ll end up with people saying things like ‘it’s been delayed again!?’ so I will no longer say at this type of event.”

Source: Click here

Like i have said to you over and over again. I will not pre-order, get excited, expect anything, until this game is actually in the store.

Basically I have a lot of doubt the first release date will be valid. I bet it will be delayed. Only thing I am interested in, is finding out if it will be released on what system.
 

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