Gran Turismo 6 coming to PS3

[CorvetteConquer]

Does anyone feel that DriveClub deserves a legitimate chance to get a foothold in the Race Genre? I feel that if GT6 is a PS4 release, and launches shortly (90 days) after the Next Gen console comes to market DriveClub doesnt really stand a chance. Just an opinion based on the GranTurismo series strong 15 year following, and the fact DC was shown at the February 28 official PS4 coming out event, as a possible PS4 launch title.

PS3 = GT6 = big profit (likely another 7-10 million copies sold + more PS3 sales)

PS4 = Drive Club. Establish a brand new fan base through a new series, while also influencing GT fans to make the early jump to PS4.

PS4 = GT7 after some time, while many are still trying Drive Club and Project CARS (talk has it on the next gen consoles, too, after some time).

All in all, it's a great time to be a racing game enthusiast. That hasn't always been the case.

 

[occasionalracer]

It's the fact that while GT6 could still be great on the PS3, I think that alot of things on people's wish-lists could be more fulfilled if it were on the PS4.

And since many criticize GT for being "behind the times," I think a next gen release would allow them to really develop on a much bigger canvas and hopefully get out of the nineties and into the present decade.

Ya I'm totally in agreement with an immediate GT on PS4. I've been hopeful that all the content they've accumulated since 2010 would be kept for the next-gen to give a truly expanded game experience...

I think whatever the announcement will bring, the Academy and Silverstone with the "Mystery Car" is quite clear.... but I just can't imagine them giving us everything they've worked on over the years now on PS3. An optimized online and career mode is a good idea, but they can't call that GT6, rather GT 5.5 or Spec III if anything.... with a cool new repackage for store shelves.

PS4 like you said needs a good library of games early on, so the only thing I see standing in the way is if they still haven't figured out how to complete a full game in due time, which I find pathetic if they can't to be honest... I hope they hire another 20 people or so.

 

[ch3ng]

Yes PS3 is a larger install base.

But if all Sony's gonna do is sell their games to the larger install base, why would they design the PS4?

You're all saying GT should wait until there's a bunch of people who have bought a PS4 so that it will sell.

But why will anybody buy a PS4 if all the good games are still being sold on the PS3 due to the install base?

There never will be an install base for PS4 unless people have a reason to buy it. The PS4 needs good games on it so people will have a reason to buy one, otherwise the whole PS4 is pointless.

With the amount of influence that a good GT game could have, it needs to be on the PS4.

Even if it doesn't sell as much in the first few months as it would on the PS3, Sony needs to start selling PS4's as well, so when EA Sports, Call of Duty, and other large games come along, they'll be able to bring in even more console purchases and sell a bunch of games as well.

And GT will still be on the market then as well. So initial sales may not be as good, but in the long run I see this ending up in more sales due to the initial relatively small selection of games for the PS4 resulting in less initial variety, which will mean that people wanting a racing game will have a higher chance of picking up the GT title.

Now you may all tell me the million ways in which I'm wrong, go for it.

Please stop pretending that GT is the only PS exclusive game. PD made never a Launch game and a Sony never released all games at Launch.

 

[drivatar]

That didn't stop them when it was Enthusia and GT4.

Enthusia wasn't published by Sony.

 

[MeanElf]

...You're all saying GT should wait until there's a bunch of people who have bought a PS4 so that it will sell.

But why will anybody buy a PS4 if all the good games are still being sold on the PS3 due to the install base?

There never will be an install base for PS4 unless people have a reason to buy it. The PS4 needs good games on it so people will have a reason to buy one, otherwise the whole PS4 is pointless.

Driveclub
Killzone: Shadowfall
Second Son
Knack
Destinty (if you like that)
Watch_Dogs
Assassins Creed: Black Flag
The Witness

These are all titles which will start to build that awareness and E3 will likely bring a few more to whet the appetite. Of the install base, quite a few play other games than GT so the install base will be there and the rest will join when GT7 is announced - but that takes time.

 

[Pit Crew]

PS3 = GT6 = big profit (likely another 7-10 million copies sold + more PS3 sales)

PS4 = Drive Club. Establish a brand new fan base through a new series, while also influencing GT fans to make the early jump to PS4.

PS4 = GT7 after some time, while many are still trying Drive Club and Project CARS (talk has it on the next gen consoles, too, after some time).

All in all, it's a great time to be a racing game enthusiast. That hasn't always been the case.

Thats fair, and yes it is a great time. The Race Genre seemed to be dying a slow death but recently it has seen a resurgence of interest, on console and PC. I'm definitely gonna try both. DriveClub and GT6 will have a home in my game collection.

 

[TokoTurismo]

Please stop pretending that GT is the only PS exclusive game. PD made never a Launch game and a Sony never released all games at Launch.

Excatly.

Theres a DriveClub on the PS4, hello?

 

[RACECAR]

That didn't stop them when it was Enthusia and GT4.

Except Enthusia was not a product of Sony, it was a product of Konami.

 

[occasionalracer]

Excatly.

Theres a DriveClub on the PS4, hello?

Oh boy, who's gonna buy a PS4 for Drive Club? Secret Answer: 0

Who's gonna buy a PS4 for Gran Turismo? Secret Answer: Approx. 1 million


Just a bit upset with this whole Drive Club comparison, PD has FAR FAR more true affiliations with the auto industry and is miles ahead.

 

[RACECAR]

Oh boy, who's gonna buy a PS4 for Drive Club? Secret Answer: 0

Who's gonna buy a PS4 for Gran Turismo? Secret Answer: Approx. 1 million

And this is based on...?

 

[KinLM]

Please stop pretending that GT is the only PS exclusive game. PD made never a Launch game and a Sony never released all games at Launch.

I'd love for you to show me where I pretended that GT is the only PS exclusive game. Go right ahead. Might take you a while, because I never did. It's something you inferred for some reason.

 

[ch3ng]

Oh boy, who's gonna buy a PS4 for Drive Club? Secret Answer: 0

Who's gonna buy a PS4 for Gran Turismo? Secret Answer: Approx. 1 million


Just a bit upset with this whole Drive Club comparison, PD has FAR FAR more true affiliations with the auto industry and is miles ahead.

It was my fault. I'll try again. Please stop pretending that all PS Fans are racing Fans. Sony announced inFamous Second Son, Killzone, Drive Club and so on. I think this is enough for a launch. The people who argue GT6 will be on PS4, because it needs good games forget those games in my opinion.

 

[Scaff]

Oh boy, who's gonna buy a PS4 for Drive Club? Secret Answer: 0

Who's gonna buy a PS4 for Gran Turismo? Secret Answer: Approx. 1 million


Just a bit upset with this whole Drive Club comparison, PD has FAR FAR more true affiliations with the auto industry and is miles ahead.

So that would mean that the PS2 and PS3 sold 0 units based upon the launch racing games they had!

Oh wait I bought Motorstorm with my PS3 at launch so that can't be right.

 

[occasionalracer]

And this is based on...?

...a good chunk of common sense.

Fine I'll give Drive Club the benefit of the doubt: 1/10th of potential console sales in relation to GT launch title.

So that would mean that the PS2 and PS3 sold 0 units based upon the launch racing games they had!

Oh wait I bought Motorstorm with my PS3 at launch so that can't be right.

I bought the same launch bundle, of course I'm not pretending gaming consoles are for racing games only... however this generation jump is more difficult to lure buyers into and I believe there's a lot of young adults/ adults who've loved the series and have a couple hundred bucks to throw down for it. There seems to be a lot of teenagers on these forums who make the purchase of PS4 sound like it's an immense amount of cash...

 

[Scaff]

...a good chunk of common sense.

Fine I'll give Drive Club the benefit of the doubt: 1/10th of potential console sales in relation to GT launch title.

You are aware I take it that GT5 has an attach rate of 12% and that's considered stupidly high for a racing title.

If the PS4 needs a GT title to sell all that Sony can make in the first year at least then they have some rather serious problems.

A GT title at launch will not shift a single extra machine for Sony, as they should be more than able to sell the damn lot without one, just as they did for the PS2 and PS3.

All a launch GT title would do cost a lot of money in terms of dev for a title that will immediately be the poorest performing GT title in the series history, while a PS3 GT title could net them approx $150+ million in revenue in the first month (and a PS4 version is not going to do that).

Sony do not need a GT title at launch, you may want one, but the maths and common sense from a publishers point of view don't add up at all.

I bought the same launch bundle, of course I'm not pretending gaming consoles are for racing games only... however this generation jump is more difficult to lure buyers into and I believe there's a lot of young adults/ adults who've loved the series and have a couple hundred bucks to throw down for it. There seems to be a lot of teenagers on these forums who make the purchase of PS4 sound like it's an immense amount of cash...

And even more of them who are quite happy to buy the PS4 because, well because its the PS4, more than enough to keep Sony happy until they have the user base in place to make a GT title worth releasing.

 

[TokoTurismo]

Oh boy, who's gonna buy a PS4 for Drive Club? Secret Answer: 0

Who's gonna buy a PS4 for Gran Turismo? Secret Answer: Approx. 1 million


Just a bit upset with this whole Drive Club comparison, PD has FAR FAR more true affiliations with the auto industry and is miles ahead.

This is to funny. So why didn't GT5 sell 1m of PS3s than, oh wait, there wasn't a GT5 at launch. *Chuckles with tears appearing* HAHAHA!!!!

Sorry but Sony doesn't need GT6 on PS4, because there are other great games that coming to PS4 (not just DriveClub my mistake).

 

[occasionalracer]

Sony do not need a GT title at launch, you may want one, but the maths and common sense from a publishers point of view don't add up at all.

I understand that but it's not just about Polyphony making profit but Sony. A hypothetical GT6 near PS4 launch (with sufficient amount of new content ect.) would be on the market for 3 years (that's 2016). Not everyone will jump on it asap but many many people will, by 2015 more than half of PS3/X360 gamers will be on the next console... I'm just saying GT on PS4 will sell 10+million copies over a couple years...

 

[Tornado]

In 2016, Sony won't be making much of any profits on a GT title released in 2014 so it won't do them much good.

 

[occasionalracer]

This is to funny. So why didn't GT5 sell 1m of PS3s than, oh wait, there wasn't a GT5 at launch. *Chuckles with tears appearing* HAHAHA!!!!

Lol ya... ? lol

 

[Earth]

Why do people want GT6 on PS3 anyway? More events? More cars and tracks?

Like I said earlier, it will be GT5 XXL

I think its easy to see where the sides stand and why. People who want GT6 on PS3 have no interest at all in buying a PS4 anytime soon, and certainly not just to try out the latest GT game. Or they fear GT6 on PS4 may not be released for years. Both reasons put little care into the quality of game GT6 could be.

The GT6/PS4 crowd, like myself, were mostly early PS3 adopters, those who now have had their PS3s for almost 7 years. At last, the time has come to ditch the PS3 and finally upgrade to the PS4. But Sony is asking us to hold on to the PS3 for another 2 years to play GT6. Thanks, but no thanks. I'll be moving on. Im quite finished with PS3. In fact I have been for a good while. Maybe those who bought PS3 late 2010 with GT5 or even later still think PS3 has lots of life left in it. But I dont.

Did the GT6/PS3 crowd miss the PS4 announcement Kazunori Yamauchi was seen in a video at? PS4 is literally 10x the system PS3 is in terms of pure graphics power. All the blocky shadows of GT5, the 11 or 15 car AI limit or even the 16 car limit, the jaggies from mist and smoke, the screen tearing, the frame rate drops, the sub 1080p resolution, all can be done away with in an instant of time thanks to the power of the PS4.

PS4 has amazing new features like gameplay share, live streaming of your gameplay, or even the ability to let someone else into your game to take over the "controller" so to speak.

Worth an extra 8-12 month wait? IMO, yes, definitely.

However I fear Sony is cash strapped, and its time for them to milk their cash cow Gran Turismo. GT6 on PS3, if it happens, will not be a decision in the best interest of the PS4, nor the creative freedom of PD or for the maximum entertainment of the fans of Gran Turismo. It will be a simple, and quite frankly, greedy financial decision to generate quick cash.

In the end, Ive become too emotionally invested. GT6 could flop, and what would happen? I'd have more free time on my hands while Kaz drives on into the sunset with 2 Ford GTs and a Porsche 911 GT2. So, Im letting it all go. Whatever happens, so let it be.

 

[Scaff]

I understand that but it's not just about Polyphony making profit but Sony. A hypothetical GT6 near PS4 launch (with sufficient amount of new content ect.) would be on the market for 3 years (that's 2016). Not everyone will jump on it asap but many many people will, by 2015 more than half of PS3/X360 gamers will be on the next console... I'm just saying GT on PS4 will sell 10+million copies over a couple years...

So you expect the PS4 to sell 50+ million units in the first two years do you?

Because that's exactly what you would need with an attach rate of 12% to obtain those kind of figures for a PS4 release, and it would easily be the worse selling GT at launch (if Sony shift 2 million PS4's in the first three months they will be luck as neither the 360 or PS3 managed that, and that would be around 1/4 million copies of a GT title (against the 5 million them shifted in the first month of GT5's sales).

So tell me why would they not release a PS3 GT and shift another 5 - 10 million units right now (not in two years time), and then follow that up with another GT title on the PS4 two years from now when the user base is in place?

Financially a PS4 launch GT title makes no sense at all over a PS3 GT title, none at all. They would see far less revenue and profit from it, its not needed to shift PS4's and it would be seen as a commercial failure in terms of release sales (and shareholders love that kind of thing).

However I fear Sony is cash strapped, and its time for them to milk their cash cow Gran Turismo. GT6 on PS3, if it happens, will not be a decision in the best interest of the PS4, nor the creative freedom of PD or for the maximum entertainment of the fans of Gran Turismo. It will be a simple, and quite frankly, greedy financial decision to generate quick cash.

Its not greed at all, its common sense for a business that wants to operate and function, your not going to get any more Playstation's or GT's if that doesn't happen. GT titles are among the most expensive games ever to produce and the first game on a console is just about going to offset those costs (certainly in the case of GT5), as such a second title is then far more profitable and can help fund the development of the 'next gen' versions.

Personally I'm looking at this from a logical point of view and could not care if its a PS3 or PS4 title, because after GT5 PD are going to have to sell me the reason as to why I should buy it at all. They will have a little easier job doing that on the PS3 than the PS4, but they have to do it none the less. I hope they damn well manage to as well.

 

[Tornado]

PS4 has amazing new features like gameplay share, live streaming of your gameplay, or even the ability to let someone else into your game to take over the "controller" so to speak.

Worth an extra 8-12 month wait? IMO, yes, definitely.

You don't say?

 

[CorvetteConquer]

In the end, Ive become too emotionally invested. GT6 could flop, and what would happen? I'd have more free time on my hands while Kaz drives on into the sunset with 2 Ford GTs and a Porsche 911 GT2. So, Im letting it all go. Whatever happens, so let it be.

Doesn't it feel better this way...you know, to let all your emotions go?

We'll get our two PS4 GT titles (just as we're probably getting two this generation). I just don't understand how one can be so impatient.

 

[TokoTurismo]

nvm

 

[MeanElf]

...Like I said earlier, it will be GT5 XXL

I think its easy to see where the sides stand and why. People who want GT6 on PS3 have no interest at all in buying a PS4 anytime soon, and certainly not just to try out the latest GT game. Or they fear GT6 on PS4 may not be released for years. Both reasons put little care into the quality of game GT6 could be....

Like GT4 was an XXL version of GT3?

As for the bolded quote - you can't be painting folks with such broad brushstrokes and expect readers to believe it. I am happy for a PS3 GT6 but I will also be getting a PS4 straight away.

There really are lots of different people who will or won't be buying the new console, all for the various reasons that make them individuals.

 

[occasionalracer]

So you expect the PS4 to sell 50+ million units in the first two years do you?

Because that's exactly what you would need with an attach rate of 12% to obtain those kind of figures for a PS4 release, and it would easily be the worse selling GT at launch (if Sony shift 2 million PS4's in the first three months they will be luck as neither the 360 or PS3 managed that, and that would be around 1/4 million copies of a GT title (against the 5 million them shifted in the first month of GT5's sales).

Again, you're looking at this straight from a PD profit point of view. To me it's about taking advantage of the console SONY has develpoed over the last few years and GT "could be" a great way to recoup some of that investment earlier on. PS4 prices in 2 year should drop by 25%, plus I think on new consoles game prices will stay higher for longer due to the overall library being small... so GT6/7 could be full price a year after release still giving PD full profit...

also I somehow doubt a GT6 on PS3 at $60 will sell 10 mil again, I think many people who have GT5 don't play it often and wouldn't be bothered with a new one.... (yes, these are also the people who wouldn't buy a PS4 for GT...)

Its not greed at all, its common sense for a business that wants to operate and function, your not going to get any more Playstation's or GT's if that doesn't happen. GT titles are among the most expensive games ever to produce and the first game on a console is just about going to offset those costs (certainly in the case of GT5), as such a second title is then far more profitable and can help fund the development of the 'next gen' versions.

Personally I'm looking at this from a logical point of view and could not care if its a PS3 or PS4 title, because after GT5 PD are going to have to sell me the reason as to why I should buy it at all. They will have a little easier job doing that on the PS3 than the PS4, but they have to do it none the less.

I too am trying to view this from a logical point of view and I guess I'm looking at from an investment in the future.... If they throw out some DLC along the way I'm sure they'll be fine and 2nd GT will come eventually where PD can rake in the real coin.

Really I don't have a problem with another GT on PS3, the question is will it be that good and really worth $60. I hope so, and I'll be playing without a doubt.

 

[Scaff]

Again, you're looking at this straight from a PD profit point of view. To me it's about taking advantage of the console SONY has develpoed over the last few years and GT "could be" a great way to recoup some of that investment earlier on. PS4 prices in 2 year should drop by 25%, plus I think on new consoles game prices will stay higher for longer due to the overall library being small... so GT6/7 could be full price a year after release still giving PD full profit...

also I somehow doubt a GT6 on PS3 at $60 will sell 10 mil again, I think many people who have GT5 don't play it often and wouldn't be bothered with a new one.... (yes, these are also the people who wouldn't buy a PS4 for GT...)

I'm most certainly not looking at it just from a PD point of view at all. The $150+ million revenue in the early months from a PS3 GT6 would be split roughly 60/40 between Sony and PD (based on standard splits for a game sale), as such it benefits Sony more than PD.

Even if a PS4 GT title was still full price after a year (which I seriously doubt) it would not return as much potential revenue as a PS3 title (unless they can shift 70 million PS4's in a year).

Nor does it help recoup development costs for the PS4 as much as a PS3 title would. Which would you rather have 60% of 150+ million or of $6.5 million, because that's the difference you are talking about in the first few months alone (and these are NOT based on GT6 on the PS3 selling 10 million, rather they are based on 5 million).

Sony and PD both will benefit far more financially from a PS3 GT title than they ever would from a PS4 launch GT title, now they may be willing to write that off, but personally I find it unlikely.

Not to mention (once again) Sony do not need a GT title to sell the PS4.

I too am trying to view this from a logical point of view and I guess I'm looking at from an investment in the future.... If they throw out some DLC along the way I'm sure they'll be fine and 2nd GT will come eventually where PD can rake in the real coin.

Really I don't have a problem with another GT on PS3, the question is will it be that good and really worth $60. I hope so, and I'll be playing without a doubt.

Will it be good and worth $60 is a question that should be asked of any title, on any platform and would apply just as much regardless of it being on the PS3 or the PS4, yet oddly you assume it only needs asking of a PS3 title?

From a logical financial point of view a PS3 GT6 will bring in huge revenue from the existing user base (and could also be supported by DLC) and allow two years for a user base to establish on the PS4 and for PD to fine tune a GT7 release. That is, from a financial point of view by far the most logical view.

 

[k12power]

I think they can free up more RAM (if they need it) and have more resources by decreasing the number of cars in races from 12 to 10 or they can even put limit to 8 cars! By doing this they can solve the problems with screen tearing and poor framerate.

Also PD are 3 years more experienced with game engine and PS3 in contrast to GT5 so it is possible to create beautiful, great GT6 on PS3 without problems that existed in previous game.

anyway, just like all of you, I cannot wait for Wednesday!

btw I´m new here so hello to all of you!

👍

 

[Dan_]

GT5 didn't deliver the experience I was hoping for in the PS3, however it nearly got there to me. The prospect of having another full fledged GT game and not having to replace any hardware is quite appealing .

The way I see it is that there will be more even content to build a better offline experience, which is all I want from the game.

 

[k12power]

My dreams: 12 players in each track, more tracks, more cars from different disciplines, weather and full day/night cycle in every track.

Mine too!!!!! 👍