Democrats' Health Care bill has been passed - SCOTUS ruling update

The Health Care bill.

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Eric Demory

Eric Demory

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Democrats towards it: 219
Democrats against it: 39
Total: 220

Republicans towards it: 1
Republicans against it: 176
Total: 215

The bill has been passed by 5 points.
This means health care will cost lots more. This doesn't just effect health care, but everything. Yes, everything. Products that don't even have to do with health care. This will even cost more homeless people, more jobs lost, businesses shutting down, and more.
The democrats are cheering about the bill passing, but what they do not see to a conclusion, is that they will need to pay more. Extra retail and taxes. Life will be more desperate for everyone from this bill passing.
THESE IDIOTS JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING. THEY JUST WANT US TO SUFFER. NOW THEY ARE GOING TO SUFFER THEM-SELFS. THEY ARE CAUSING HELL OUT THERE, AND JUST PISSING THE HELL OUT OF PEOPLE AGAINST THEM. THIS PASSING OF THE BILL PISSES ME OFF THE MOST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SOMEONE NEEDS TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS, RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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I'm sorry, I don't think you were loud enough. What were you saying?


Edit: Making the text larger wasn't the point I was trying to make (though I'll concede it was what I was mocking).
 
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My parents are republicans. I am a better republican. They are surprised about what I say when I talk politics because they never thought a 13 year old would be really amazing at complaining about the democrats terrible work as usual. I am a very good republican.
 
ericdemoryGT
My parents are republicans. I am a better republican. They are surprised about what I say when I talk politics because they never thought a 13 year old would be really amazing at complaining about the democrats terrible work as usual. I am a very good republican.
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(I'd be hardly surprised when any thirteen year old talks politics, because thirteen year olds are experts at complaining about everything.)

But anyway, that's great. What makes a "good republican", may I ask?
 
ericdemoryGT
If you watch Fox News and other Republicans. I want you to find out.
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I'm sorry, but republicanism predates Fox News, which is itself a travesty. (How you relate being a good republican with hating a healthcare bill, btw, has not yet been addressed.)
 
Republicans hated the bill passing because it will make "everything" cost lots more.
 
ericdemoryGT
Republicans hated the bill passing because it will make "everything" cost lots more.
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Your mocking of the term "everything" indicates to me a disingenuous interest in the ideologues of republicanism.

I just want to point out to you the fallacies in your position:

1- Watching Fox news does not make you a good republican
2- Being against something because other people are against something (the fallacy of popular opinion)
3- The assumption that because it is expensive, it is bad (eg. fewer people bankrupt or in debt because of medical costs, Vs. paying a nominal amount more tax to have the service at no immediate cost)

I am encouraging you to go back and re-think your position—not because it may be "wrong" (which I will not assert one way or the other), but perhaps because you have not contemplated why you think this is a valid position to take.

Whatever your opinion is, I don't care; just that you have thoroughly considered the reasons you maintain it.
 
When America is completely 🤬 up, I will be moving to Canada. Here we come and will be moving to great Quebec.
 
Upset American people have no one to blame but themselves for this no matter what party they support. Republicans, and conservatives in general lost touch with a majority of the people during Bush's 8 years in office, thus making them unpopular with voters and being outgunned in the government. Since Republicans became unpopular many moderate voters chose to go with a candidate from the Democrat party.

If people opened their eyes to third party options a lot of this rushed political stuff wouldn't happen or at least would be questioned how good it is for America as a whole. When you only have two sides whatever side with the bigger number is going to win and in return the American people are going to lose out.

Honestly I can't stand either Republicans or Democrats because really when you get down to it, they are virtually the same now days with only some minor ideological differences. To me Obama is no better or worse then Bush was. It's basically the same crap with a different face.

And I don't see how this bill passing means the end of the world. Yes it might make this more difficult for some people but without it actually being in effect it's hard to tell what the outcome might be. If it's unpopular it will cost a lot of politicians their jobs when the next round of elections come up. But then again Democrats will just be replaced by Republicans and America will continue to spin it's wheels and not go anywhere.

But BOOOO stupid people, I guess.

Oh and as a side note, a good Republican shouldn't watch Fox News or listen to other political commentators. They should actual research what the ideals of their party is and then get people who actually conform to them...which they seem to be failing at. Honestly all it seems like now is they are trying to get over the "butt hurt" they had from 8 years of people making fun of Bush.

ericdemoryGT
When America is completely 🤬 up, I will be moving to Canada. Here we come and will be moving to great Quebec.
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You do realise Canada is more Socialist then America is right? And they also have government ran health care, right? Although I hear their health care system works pretty good, but I don't know many Canadians.
 
They are still blaming Bush today. He has been out of office for almost a year people! GEEZ!
 
ericdemoryGT
They are still blaming Bush today. He has been out of office for almost a year people! GEEZ!
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Still things he and his administration did will last for a long time. The war in Iraq and Afghanistan are two pretty big glaring things that will last for a very long time it seems with no legitimate outcome. It's not just Bush either, pretty much all Presidents and their administration have a lasting effect on American society whether it's good or bad.

You can blame Bush for a lot of things, just as you can blame a lot of presidents for a lot things.
 
Fox News is ok if you watch the Judge. Napolitano and crew are awesome.

Anyway, this sucks. Seriously disappointed in Grayson and Kaptur, but I wasn't expecting them to vote no.
 
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Glenn Beck makes complete sense. The Judge when he takes Glenn's spot sometimes, he is good as well!
And Shaun Hannity, get him off of FOX News. He never really let's anyone get a complete turn to talk. He sounds like a democrat.
 
ericdemoryGT
They are still blaming Bush today. He has been out of office for almost a year people! GEEZ!
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. . . and yet many of the reforms that Obama (included the very criticized stimulus bill) enacted were written by him! Gee whiz!

Joey D
You do realise Canada is more Socialist than America is, right? And they also have government-run health care, right? Although I hear their health care system works pretty good, but I don't know many Canadians.
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Well, you do now. (And you did, before, remember? ;))

I'll concede that our system will probably work A) slightly better, if your gov't isn't prepared to go all the way with funding; or, B) will work slightly worse if you maintain the beneficial parts of your mostly-privately funded healthcare as currently deployed.
 
Ok, for everyone who posted here so far. Just, "Just" say if you are a democrat or a republican.
 
80Y 2C2
Want to be depressed?

Just think how better THE WORLD would be if Al Gore got in instead of Dubbya.
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Yeah that one's pretty stale. W pretty much became Gore after 9/11.

Politics this millenium have been like a really bad movie.
 
Ok, for everyone who posted here so far. Just, "Just" say if you are a democrat or a republican.
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I'm going to suggest otherwise, as it's obvious you're driving to use whoever's stated opinion as an object of derision and an excuse to drive a wedge between yourself and them. People are people with opinions: they are not sides, or red and blue, despite what your country likes to present.

(And if you can't delineate one person's party preference from their apparent opinions alone, then perhaps you should familiarize yourself more with the actual espoused values of each party.)
 
Public'sTwin
I'll concede that our system will probably work A) slightly better, if your gov't isn't prepared to go all the way with funding; or, B) will work slightly worse if you maintain the beneficial parts of your mostly-privately funded healthcare as currently deployed.
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I don't think anything the American government attempts to do works all that well, so I'm going to guess it will work slightly worse if not a lot worse than the Canadian system. Plus America has a much larger population so we are going to have to do it on a grander scale. A lot of people don't associate grand scale and the American government with positive words.

80Y 2C2
Just think how better THE WORLD would be if Al Gore got in instead of Dubbya.
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We'd probably be in about the same situation, although I think the Iraq war would have been avoided. However the economy still would have collapsed, we'd be at war in Afghanistan still, and a healthcare reform would have still be pushed through albeit earlier.

ericdemoryGT
Ok, for everyone who posted here so far. Just, "Just" say if you are a democrat or a republican.
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And what if you are neither? I don't consider myself either or. I'm guess you would classify me as an Independent. I have my own thoughts on politics which match neither the Republican or Democrat's party ideals.
 
Joey D
I don't think anything the American government attempts to do works all that well, so I'm going to guess it will work slightly worse if not a lot worse than the Canadian system. Plus America has a much larger population so we are going to have to do it on a grander scale. A lot of people don't associate grand scale and the American government with positive words.
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The common ultimate failure in gov't, I find, is a hesitance to commit.

Oftentimes a party will be swayed by nonconfidence and the fear of great reprisal from opponents, so what will happen is the empowered party attempts to appease detractors by enforcing a less ambitious version of their original plan—thus being insufficient to actually create the desired outcome.

(eg. the downfall of Bob Rae in Ontario governance.)

Edit: Danoff's here! Yay, here comes an objective view of the matter!
 

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