2012 Belgian Grand Prix

[niky]

Zzzzz.... Who? What did I miss? Button won? Vettel overtook people? Someone pinch me.... Must have fallen asleep at dinner.

Very disappointed Alonso doesn't get his record. Happy for Button for finally having a good weekend after such a long drought.

Maybe that cycling tour on the break did him some good.

 

[DaxCobra]

It wasn't just gear ratios, it was drag as well.

If they had a higher gear ratios for the straight after Eau Rouge, it may hurt their acceleration at other corners.

 

[Centura]

It wasn't just gear ratios, it was drag as well.

If they had a higher gear ratios for the straight after Eau Rouge, it may hurt their acceleration at other corners.

Both Red Bulls hit the rev limiter around 316 kp/h, but they were hitting 310 kp/h right after Eau Rogue, so they were on the rev limit for quite a while.

Most had a rev limiter a little above 320 kp/h. Red Bull could've easily increased the rev limiter slightly, but they wanted more acceleration instead of top speed.

Impressive drive by Hulkenberg, but too bad BBC won't acknowledge that because they will be too busy being amazed at whatever position Paul finished at.

 

[DaxCobra]

I was thinking that during the race, they hype Di Resta up so much but it seems that Hulkenburg is just as good, if not better.

 

[TyrrellRacing]

I was thinking that during the race, they hype Di Resta up so much but it seems that Hulkenburg is just as good, if not better.

He had no KERS.

 

[Centura]

I was thinking that during the race, they hype Di Resta up so much but it seems that Hulkenburg is just as good, if not better.

If Hulkenberg is better than Paul, BBC will make sure they will do everything in their power to make people think Paul is the best driver in Formula 1 in a bad car.

He had no KERS.

BBC: Hulkenberg is 4th, whatever, BUT PAUL DI RESTA HAD NO KERS.

We can't wait to talk to Paul di Resta in the BBC F1 Forum, but Hulkenberg? Pfft. Who the ****ing cares.

In general, BBC is very good in driver bias in nationality, EXCEPT Paul di Resta.

By the way, if Alonso turned slightly earlier in first corner, he would've got a Lotus straight on his head. Just think what could've happened.

 

[paddyree]

Vettel started 10th. He was 12th after the first corner, but he lost positions to cars that isn't as fast as Ferrari/Lotus/McLaren. Instead of having to overtake Ferrari/Lotus/McLaren, he had to overtake Toro Rosso (team orders...), Force India and Mercedes.

However, one thing I don't understand. Why do strategies to recover positions for Vettel always work, but never for Webber?

Also, OMG; The podium interview! Burn it with fire!

Hamilton could've backed off, but Grosjean HAVE to learn eventually. You have to leave space because there is a possibility that a car can be there.

Imo, give him a one race ban. They need to do something drastic so they ****ing learn. People could've have seriously been killed in that accident.

Watching the replay, Hamilton didn't get chance to back off.
Grosjean stuck his rear wheel in between Hamilton's so if he had backed off he would have driven over it. Lewis kept moving right but so did romain, leaving no room for anything but an accident.
I don't buy the blind spot excuse either. He must have known Lewis was there and should have assumed that he wasn't going to back off.
As a truck driver, if I see someone either side of me, then lose sight of them because of a blind spot, I can't just change lanes assuming that they have gone

 

[Anghammarad]

I'm going to show my bias here but I am fairly certain that Alonso was innocent in the start crash.

 

[DaxCobra]

Start crash was all Grosjean.

 

[Speedster7]

people having that argument about the two marussia drivers, Pic can out-do the more experienced Glock, and I think in a competitive car he could be very fast...

and, that first corner crash was horrible, and Grosjean said that he hadn't seen the footage when the BBC showed him on the pit wall watching it on loop with the team....
Alonso could quite easily have been killed if the car had hit his head....

 

[TyrrellRacing]

I think Maldonado deserves some blame too, certainly would've unsettled the drivers.

and, that first corner crash was horrible, and Grosjean said that he hadn't seen the footage when the BBC showed him on the pit wall watching it on loop with the team....

Says it all really.

 

[ZEROX]

I'm going to show my bias here but I am fairly certain that Alonso was innocent in the start crash.

Everyone is except for Grosjean. And Hamilton because i don't see him try to slow down the car by ramming it to the wall to slow it down. He can avoid being launch to Alonso and Kobay.
Call me an 🤬, it's just my way of thinking.

 

[neljack]

Is the pile up at T1 even being investigated? Didnt see it come up on TV.

 

[MSTER232]

Well done Jenson Button ! I wished Michael Schumacher would have at least been on the podium this weekend though . I guess the "Plan B" didn't work out.

By the way, if Alonso turned slightly earlier in first corner, he would've got a Lotus straight on his head. Just think what could've happened.

That might have killed him considering the weight of those cars . And that would be the end of not a single F1 driver being killed since Senna's accident in 1994.

 

[Speedster7]

I'm going to show my bias here but I am fairly certain that Alonso was innocent in the start crash.

From his point of view, he was just turning in to the first conrner behind Maldonado, and he got swiped from the back, and Grosjean's car flew over the top of his

All Grosjean's fault in my opinion

 

[DaxCobra]

Everyone is except for Grosjean. And Hamilton because i don't see him try to slow down the car by ramming it to the wall to slow it down. He can avoid being launch to Alonso and Kobay.
Call me an 🤬, it's just my way of thinking.

What?! How was it Hamiltons fault in any way?!

 

[Speedster7]

Is the pile up at T1 even being investigated? Didnt see it come up on TV.

I think they have it down as a 'Racing incident' in which no driver is at fault, which is completely wrong

 

[Centura]

and, that first corner crash was horrible, and Grosjean said that he hadn't seen the footage when the BBC showed him on the pit wall watching it on loop with the team....
Alonso could quite easily have been killed if the car had hit his head....

Actually, it was the regular formula one feed, but yeah, I noticed that too. Pretty disgusting by Grosjean.

EDIT: The on-board from Alonso's car is horrifying. He must've been shocked.

Niki Lauda suggesting a two-race ban for Grosjean.

 

[Akmuq]

An ok race, the start crash made it look like there would be a surprise podium but eventually Force India and Toro Rosso lost positions while Red Bull and Ferrari made them up. As for the start, Grosjean's fault, but Maldonado jump-starting and Kamui barely starting would have influenced what he did, still a bad move. As for the people saying he should have his licenced removed, you're idiots, no other word. Button controlled it, Kimi had a bad first stint but made the best of it at the end. Vettel was brilliant throughout the race, him and Webber were making some great moves, that Red Bull must have awesome brakes or else the other drivers just aren't ballsy enough to test their brakes out. Driver of the day, Button, closely followed by Vettel and Hulkenburg.

Kimi's pass was awesome.

If Hulkenberg is better than Paul, BBC will make sure they will do everything in their power to make people think Paul is the best driver in Formula 1 in a bad car.

If my local GAA (Irish sport)team are losing, the local radio won't say the score for about 15 minutes during the commentary, or else reference how they'll have the wind behind them in the second half(makes very little difference)

 

[Speedster7]

What?! How was it Hamiltons fault in any way?!

people are saying that he could have moved over, and that would have avoided contact with Grosjean. but if he moved over, it would have caused a bigger acident by him loosing traction on the grass

 

[DaxCobra]

Hamilton was on the edge of the track, and he couldn't stop because his wheels were up in the air so he couldn't brake...

 

[ZEROX]

What?! How was it Hamiltons fault in any way?!

Lol no, i don't say it's his fault.
I just saying he can avoid making it much worse by trying to scrape the wall on his right to at least slow him down but hey, we're human after all.

I'm talking after he was hit by Grosjean. Not before.

 

[DaxCobra]

Lol no, i don't say it's his fault.
I just saying he can avoid making it much worse by trying to scrape the wall on his right to at least slow him down but hey, we're human after all.

His wheels were up in the air, mounted to Grosjeans so how could he turn? And even if he turned into the wall, which is a ridiculously stupid idea, he would probably ricochet into even more drivers or stop infront of everyone behind him.

He had NO choice and was a passenger after the crash, honestly.....

 

[HKS racer]

So there's more cars in front of him that he can plough through?

He needs to stay at home for the next 3 grand prix.

FIA is blaterating about safety everytime
but they do nothing against crazy people like Grosjean,
and they disqualified MSC for going to pits in front of Vettel,
so what's the deal?

Problem is this is not the first time for Grosjean. Alonso was very lucky to be still alive.
Also Hamilton did nothing to avoid contact.
FIA is not taking logic decisions.

 

[Famine]

By the way, if Alonso turned slightly earlier in first corner, he would've got a Lotus straight on his head. Just think what could've happened.

It's worth noting that Alonso piled on the opposite lock fractions of a second before Grosjean contacted him - he was preparing for the crash he'd spotted he was going to have.

Problem is this is not the first time for Grosjean. Alonso was very lucky to be still alive. Also Hamilton did nothing to avoid contact.

I'm fairly sure he did everything to avoid contact. There were no further options remaining

• Back off: Grosjean's rear-right hits Hamilton's front-left much sooner; Accident still occurs, just earlier
• Move over more to the right: Hamilton ends up on the grass with no traction, no steering and no braking much sooner, piling up the inside of a corner stuffed full off F1 cars; Accident still occurs, just bigger
• ????: Have they invented teleportation or phase-shift technology yet?

 

[Speedster7]

Lol no, i don't say it's his fault.
I just saying he can avoid making it much worse by trying to scrape the wall on his right to at least slow him down but hey, we're human after all.

I'm talking after he was hit by Grosjean. Not before.

He was a passenger after he had hit Grosjean, I doubt he could have done much to save it

 

[Centura]

And if Hamilton would've bailed off right before he touched the grass. He couldn't. His left front tyres was overlapped with Grosjean's rear right. And bailing out before that? Why, he's racing. Grosjean need to learn that he's not alone on the track and always leave space.

 

[Speedster7]

He needs to stay at home for the next 3 grand prix.

FIA is blaterating about safety everytime
but they do nothing against crazy people like Grosjean,
and they disqualified MSC for going to pits in front of Vettel,
so what's the deal?

Problem is this is not the first time for Grosjean. Alonso was very lucky to be still alive.
Also Hamilton did nothing to avoid contact.
FIA is not taking logic decisions.

They disqualified MSC? that's a bit harsh, I know he was wrong in doing so but that is just stupid

 

[DoomtrainUK]

Lol no, i don't say it's his fault.
I just saying he can avoid making it much worse by trying to scrape the wall on his right to at least slow him down but hey, we're human after all.

I'm talking after he was hit by Grosjean. Not before.

If you think that trying to slow a formula one car by scraping it against a concrete wall is a legitimate method, then please stop watching F1, infact stop watching motorsport alltogether.

 

[Centura]

It's worth noting that Alonso piled on the opposite lock fractions of a second before Grosjean contacted him - he was preparing for the crash he'd spotted he was going to have.

Really? I didn't catch that. Just shows how amazing of a driver he is.

and they disqualified MSC for going to pits in front of Vettel,
so what's the deal?

Source, please.

Vettel said to BBC that he had a chat with Schumacher, but that's end of it. Certainly doesn't sound like FIA DSQed Schumi.