2012 Belgian Grand Prix

[ZEROX]

See? wheels up in the air.

*lepicture*

Everyone who thinks Hamilton has a fault in this, go and watch the replay onboard with Hamilton.

Grosjean swoops beside him and within a split second has his front wheels inside hamiltons left side wheels. Hamilton cannot react in that time! Go and actually watch it for heavens sake, and stop being so biast. And as for the moment of impact...
*le picture*

What could he do from there to avoid it?!

As many time as i wanted to say, i don't blame Hamilton for triggered the crash.
All i say is to scrape the wall and yes, i was wrong for didn't notice the grass outside plus this is carbon fibre cars we're talking about not nascar spec body. I was wrong badly.

I agree he cannot avoid anything.

 

[Bram Turismo]

Anyway, it made the promised race of the season something of a borefest. Well done by Button and Vettel but, in the end, not a very exciting race.

How can you possibly call this race a borefest?

There were battles for track position on every single lap. Hell, even the Marussia's were fighting their own battle right at the end.

I was enjoying this race big-time today. Button never really had to work for his victory, but every position behind him wasn't decided until the very end.

Very dangerous move by Grosjean there. He probably thought he was in front of Hamilton and wanted to cut off the inside line but instead dove straight into him. I bet Alonso was feeling very, very lucky to walk away from that crash unharmed. I also think Kobayashi must feel gutted, as he never had a single fair chance to prove what he could do from that position.

Maldonado being a complete failure again. First he jumped the start by about half an hour. Then he spins himself out, again. Brilliant drive by Senna on the other hand, being able to defend against such an aggressive Vettel for so long and taking the fastest lap right at the end. Just a pitty he didn't manage to score any points.

 

[Centura]

Or he could have stayed in his camper and not raced at all, that would have been safer still.

And eat his Haribo sweats. I'm sure he would've liked that.

 

[Nessy]

Indeed.

He started winding the right lock off before the first contact from Grosjean - and it was way too early in the corner to do so - but the wheel went all the way left as a result of the contact. It could have been because he was aware of the wrecking ball coming up the inside (crashes concentrate onto the apex usually) and was steering out to avoid it or because he was preparing to be shunted that way and didn't want to spin it clockwise. Either way, he avoided getting a sidepod in the eyebrow.

True.
Spinning it clockwise could have potentially left him in an even worse position. Amazing reflexes by Alonso, not all drivers would have done the same.

[EDITED]

 

[Rossell2]

Grosjean in the wrong on this one. Not the smartest move you could possibly make. Hamilton was just happily driving his own race and Grosjean cut in front.

I'm neutral towards all drivers, but Hamilton haters can take a hike today.

 

[DaxCobra]

Monza is next week right?

Edit: Yep.

 

[HKS racer]

Look here, pause at 0.02 that's when Ham COULD have saved from the crash,

if it was Button he probably let the fool did this fool move
and saved his race.

 

[ghskilla]

So Schumacher is disqualified for that move... and Grosjean...? What did the FIA do to Grosjean?

 

[DaxCobra]

Look here, pause at 0.02 that's when Ham COULD have saved from the crash,

if it was Button he probably let the fool did this fool move
and saved his race.

So you think Hamilton knew he was going to turn in on him? And I don't think Hamilton is looking to his left as he is trying to spot his braking point.

You are really being biased about this aren't you? I guess, it is Alonso's fault for being hit too, really he should have taken a wide line to avoid the crash. And I guess that Hamilton should have also bent the laws of physics to avoid everyone.

Basically you are saying people should brake whenever anyone else comes anywhere near them. Good logic.

 

[F1 fan]

So Schumacher is disqualified for that move...

I've yet to see a single story on this... I think someone just made it up out of thin air.

Edit: dax, just an FYI, but it's "biased".

 

[Centura]

So you think Hamilton knew he was going to turn in on him? And I don't think Hamilton is looking to his left as he is trying to spot his braking point.

You are really being biast about this aren't you? I guess, it is Alonso's fault for being hit too, really he should have taken a wide line to avoid the crash. And I guess that Hamilton should have also bent the laws of physics to avoid everyone.

Basically you are saying people should brake whenever anyone else comes anywhere near them. Good logic.

This should be the new "meta game" in Formula One. If they don't move, just crash in to them. Eventually everyone will just move over for you. Sounds pretty good to me.

Grosjean or Maldonado will win the title next year. They are currently building up this strategy.

 

[DaxCobra]

I've yet to see a single story in this... I think someone just made it up out of thin air.

Edit: dax, just an FYI, but it's "biased".

Nothing about it on Planetf1.com, BBC F1 sport or formula1.com so I wouldn't believe it just yet.

And thanks. 👍

This should be the new "meta game" in Formula One. If they don't move, just crash in to them. Eventually everyone will just move over for you. Sounds pretty good to me.

Grosjean or Maldonado will win the title next year. They are currently building up this strategy.

 

[Dan_]

Great race, amazing to see Jenson taking the win, start to finish.

Kimi's overtake in Schuey at Eau Rouge was absolutely fantastic too! I wonder if he's really moving to Ferrari next season, that would be great.

As for the Grosjean incident, Ham couldn't do anything to react in time, I'm quite critic of his agressive driving style but it was the Romain who swept the McLaren to the wall. Lewis was a victim as much as Alonso.

Shame about Kamui though.

 

[RobFocus]

If anyone's to blame, it's Grosjean. Very unfortunate that just the slightest touch with Hamilton's front left wheel set the whole thing off

But a 'borefest'... really? I'm no expert but today's race was one of the most exciting grands prix I've ever watched, battles left right and centre 👍

 

[Pupik]

Look here, pause at 0.02 that's when Ham COULD have saved from the crash..

Let me guess, you're not a Lewis Hamilton fan...?

Why did Grosjean move over fifty feet from the racing line to the inside line, with no other competitors around him? Because I don't think he intended to hit Hamilton, but why did he move so erratically towards the pit wall? There's no logical explanation, but I suppose he still needs to see the replay...Was he blocking? Romain just freaked out, I suppose, which isn't a really good reason for anything.

My guess is that he's trying again to win the race in the first three laps.

 

[DaxCobra]

But in all seriousness, Grosjean deserves a race ban at least to think about his actions. He could have seriously injured Alonso.

 

[Carbonox]

Grosjean is a failure.

As were Kimi's tires at the beginning.

 

[Anghammarad]

How can you possibly call this race a borefest?

Only in comparison to what it could have been with Alonso, Hamilton, Perez and (yes) Grosjean still in the race. The potential at Spa is so big and now it turned into an OK race, no better than many we have seen this year.

It's like a 50 km masstart where Northug wins a sprint in the end.

 

[lbsf1]

Great race, well done Jenson. Seb proving the doubters wrong about his overtaking ability.

That start however, as everyones said its hardly hamiltons fault, he could have avoided it as could everyone else, no ones fault however IMO so just a (very large) racing incident.

And about Maldonaldo's "false start" watch this.



Yes he jumped it by a small amount however we have seen people do it by that much many times, just somehow as soon as the lights did fully go out he went off like a rocket, shame he couldn't keep it in pointing the right way though in the first corner.

And if anyone calls this race a borefest it is obvious you have been spoilt by the awesome season we are having sofar.

 

[Carbonox]

Maldo might as well have saved himself by jumping the start. Too bad he spun though, I'd have liked to see what he could have done.

 

[Watchman]

But in all seriousness, Grosjean deserves a race ban at least to think about his actions. He could have seriously injured Alonso.

This sums it up for me.

 

[Dan_]

Not to be the one to start hunting the witches, but Maldonado crawled a few meters and therefore got unfair traction advantage. Charlie Whiting seemed to agree with me.

What's the penalty usually given for jump starting?

 

[Carbonox]

Not to be the one to start hunting the witches, but Maldonado crawled a few meters and therefore got unfair traction advantage. Charlie Whiting seemed to agree with me.

What's the penalty usually given for jump starting?

Drive through.

 

[Centura]

Not to be the one to start hunting the witches, but Maldonado crawled a few meters and therefore got unfair traction advantage. Charlie Whiting seemed to agree with me.

What's the penalty usually given for jump starting?

A drive-through?

 

[Dan_]

Thanks.

 

[dhandeh]

Drive through.

The only thing Maldonado drives through, is somebody else's car.

 

[HeXoSKEL3t0n]

Kimi - Again, great job, but the Lotus still seems to lack something in race pace - just doesn't use its tyres as well as others, I think. Great racing with Schuey.

Poor first stint + lack of straight line speed has hurt him a bit. Good racing from Raikkonen, having defended his position well. Pity he lost time with Hulk and Schuey (again due to lack of straight line speed)


Speaking of which, why so much hate for Grosjean? Sure he has made quite a horrible mistake, but calling for race bans is a tad too harsh... IMO. I'd say grid penalties are more appropriate at worst.

 

[Akmuq]

Race bans, huh, I guess they can't just choose anyone to become FIA stewards.

Canada 2010 and Suzuka 2010, twice Petrov swung accross the track and took people out in a worse fashion than today, the only difference is there was grass to slide into. Did anyone even care, no. The only reason Grosjean is actually being targeted is because there was a pile-up and a couple of championship contenders involved. In fact it's not that different from when Hamilton cut accross Kobayashi last year and ended both their races, nobody asked for a ban, just acknowledged it was stupid from Lewis. Today was stupid from Grosjean, but not ban-worthy, just something like a 10-place grid drop for Monza.

Speaking of Monza, another bad mistake was Liuzzi here last year, he didn't get a race ban for it.

Race bans should only be for when someone takes another guy out on purpose.



Anyway, it's a stupid argument, I'm not getting any more involved, they've professional stewards for a reason, not you guys.

You are really being biased about this aren't you?

Considering you wouldn't have gotten involved if Hamilton wasn't involved, that's rich coming from you.

 

[Centura]

So... BBC's coverage of Paul di Resta and Hulkenberg:

Paul di Resta: Before Qualifying. After Qualifying. Before race. After race.
Nico Hulkenberg: ...Who?

I'm sorry for repeating, but in general, BBC is pretty good when it comes to not bias with driver nationality (british drivers), but not with Paul di Resta. They just freaking love that guy... I used to like him, but I can't anymore because of BBC.

Hulkenberg and di Resta are pretty even this season, but because Hulkenberg is not british, they don't give a **** about him.

Canada 2010 and Suzuka 2010, twice Petrov swung accross the track and took people out in a worse fashion than today, the only difference is there was grass to slide into. Did anyone even care, no. The only reason Grosjean is actually being targeted is because there was a pile-up and a couple of championship contenders involved. In fact it's not that different from when Hamilton cut accross Kobayashi last year and ended both their races, nobody asked for a ban, just acknowledged it was stupid from Lewis. Today was stupid from Grosjean, but not ban-worthy, just something like a 10-place grid drop for Monza.

I don't think you would say the same if Alonso was badly hurt in that accident, or worse, killed. Kobayashi was not far off from having a serious injury either.

The biggest issue I have in this accident is everything that have happened before. It's not the first time Grosjean have been in a first corner/lap collision and it's certainly not the last, unless FIA do something. That's why I am calling for at least a one race ban.

Well, look at that: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/102185

Thank you for finally clamping down on this, FIA. I hope you are listening Maldonado. You haven't done anything as bad as this, yet, but it's only a matter of time unless you think over matters.

 

[HeXoSKEL3t0n]

The biggest issue I have in this accident is everything that have happened before. It's not the first time Grosjean have been in a first corner/lap collision and it's certainly not the last, unless FIA do something. That's why I am calling for at least a one race ban.

Well to be honest most of his incidents before weren't exactly his fault... Just take Monaco '12 for example, he had nowhere to go with Schumacher squeezing Grosjean, with him having nowhere to go.

Like I had said, I think grid penalties are more appropriate for Grosjean.