Niki Lauda said it brilliantly. Grosjean needs to have a good think, and should be banned for a couple of races, because moving across like that is just downright stupid. You simply can't move across like that at the start unless you know for sure that your car is fully in front of the next car. Hamilton had barely moved an inch across, so how anyone can impart blame on him is beyond me.
2012 Belgian Grand Prix
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Vettel not a fan of the start.
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But but. How is that possible!? Surely Grosjean was in his blind spot and there was no reason for Alonso to think that there would be such a thing as cars around him in an F1 start? He probably has some kind of illegal TCAS system that Ferrari And FIA has agreed to put in his car in order to make him champion.
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also, Maldonado's false start was huge, he gained about 3 positions into turn 1, he was even ahead of Alonso
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I'm sure he didn't get airborne after being hit by Grosjean.
Maybe i was wrong though.
I mean scrape the wall not immidiete turn. It can slow the car nontheless.
If the car speed is 200km/h and above then it IS stupid idea.
Scrape not hit the wall hard but yeah, i don't think any of the driver would do that and rather stopping it by crash head on with other driver.
and as i said above, i don't think Hamilton is airborne then again, i maybe wrong altogether.
Maybe it was just my solution if i were in the situation.
Seriously, suggesting Hamilton should bail out and slow down by driving on top of the grass (he'll just skid on top of it because of the floor) and hit a wall? Do you even know how dangerous that would be because of the layout of the first corner? He would plow straight on to the side of the cars at the front, i.e. possibly kill someone, like Grosjean almost managed to.
You know, last year, people said Hamilton was going to kill someone eventually, but he never did something as bad as this. Not even close.
You know, last year, people said Hamilton was going to kill someone eventually, but he never did something as bad as this. Not even close.
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Problem with Hamilton is
he never try to do something BEFORE
and then, s*** happens.
It's Grosjean fault but Hamilton need to be smarter, check what other drivers are doing. You have Mr.Fool on your side, don't risk in a bloody first turn. Pass him 2 turns later! Instead no. Another ZERO for Ham.
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I'm sure he didn't get airborne after being hit by Grosjean.
Maybe i was wrong.
I mean scrape the wall not immidiete turn. It can slow the car nontheless.
If the car speed is 200km/h and above then it IS stupid idea.
Scrape not hit the wall hard but yeah, i don't think any of the driver would do that and rather stopping it by crash head on with other driver.
and as i said above, i don't think Hamilton is airborne then again, i maybe wrong altogether.
Maybe it was just my solution if i were in the situation.
His front tyres had mounted the rear of the Lotus and he had no control over the steering.
Really, hitting the wall to slow down... This isn't GT5.
Are you actually serious? Hamilton launches his car, and then Grosjean turns in on him. How can he do anything about it?! Seriously, stop being so biast.
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Anyway, it made the promised race of the season something of a borefest. Well done by Button and Vettel but, in the end, not a very exciting race.
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Indeed.
He started winding the right lock off before the first contact from Grosjean - and it was way too early in the corner to do so - but the wheel went all the way left as a result of the contact. It could have been because he was aware of the wrecking ball coming up the inside (crashes concentrate onto the apex usually) and was steering out to avoid it or because he was preparing to be shunted that way and didn't want to spin it clockwise. Either way, he avoided getting a sidepod in the eyebrow.
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See? wheels up in the air.
Everyone who thinks Hamilton has a fault in this, go and watch the replay onboard with Hamilton.
Grosjean swoops beside him and within a split second has his front wheels inside hamiltons left side wheels. Hamilton cannot react in that time! Go and actually watch it for heavens sake, and stop being so biast. And as for the moment of impact...
What could he do from there to avoid it?!
Everyone who thinks Hamilton has a fault in this, go and watch the replay onboard with Hamilton.
Grosjean swoops beside him and within a split second has his front wheels inside hamiltons left side wheels. Hamilton cannot react in that time! Go and actually watch it for heavens sake, and stop being so biast. And as for the moment of impact...
What could he do from there to avoid it?!
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Cracking race. Loads of overtaking all the way through the field, and not all KERS and DRS related either, as certain drivers proved they couldn't pass down the straight thanks to gearing.
Button - Imperious. Most commanding victory this year, though as Whitmarsh said, you have to do the job in the first place to give yourself an easy time out front.
Vettel - Great job. Thought he was going to struggle after he was held up during the first corner incident, but had the pace and strategy to come back. Nice to see him needing to work for a position too - plenty of good overtaking into the final chicane.
Kimi - Again, great job, but the Lotus still seems to lack something in race pace - just doesn't use its tyres as well as others, I think. Great racing with Schuey.
Others:
Schumacher - Disappointed to see he's been DQ'd. Was a bit naughty what he did to Vettel, but as even Christian Horner said, was pretty much a racing incident. And quite hilarious, to be fair. Michael Trollmacher, more like.
Kobayashi - Gutted for him. Slow start wouldn't have helped his race, but you can't control being taken out like that.
Alonso - Lucky, lucky man. Everyone gets bad luck now and then, he'll come back from it.
Hamilton - Very unlucky, and in contrast to what some above are saying, absolutely nothing he could do about the incident. Anyone who thinks he could have done something without changing the laws of physics is categorically an idiot.
Grosjean - I've been prepared to forgive a couple of his dumb moves earlier in the year as just "wrong place, wrong time", but his move on Hamilton was dumb, dangerous and ruined several other drivers races. Needs a race sitting on the naughty step, really.
Maldonado - A false start so huge you could measure it using the half-life of Uranium 238, and then - quel surprise - lost his nose and retired. Beginning to think his victory in Spain was actually the Stig or something.
Button - Imperious. Most commanding victory this year, though as Whitmarsh said, you have to do the job in the first place to give yourself an easy time out front.
Vettel - Great job. Thought he was going to struggle after he was held up during the first corner incident, but had the pace and strategy to come back. Nice to see him needing to work for a position too - plenty of good overtaking into the final chicane.
Kimi - Again, great job, but the Lotus still seems to lack something in race pace - just doesn't use its tyres as well as others, I think. Great racing with Schuey.
Others:
Schumacher - Disappointed to see he's been DQ'd. Was a bit naughty what he did to Vettel, but as even Christian Horner said, was pretty much a racing incident. And quite hilarious, to be fair. Michael Trollmacher, more like.
Kobayashi - Gutted for him. Slow start wouldn't have helped his race, but you can't control being taken out like that.
Alonso - Lucky, lucky man. Everyone gets bad luck now and then, he'll come back from it.
Hamilton - Very unlucky, and in contrast to what some above are saying, absolutely nothing he could do about the incident. Anyone who thinks he could have done something without changing the laws of physics is categorically an idiot.
Grosjean - I've been prepared to forgive a couple of his dumb moves earlier in the year as just "wrong place, wrong time", but his move on Hamilton was dumb, dangerous and ruined several other drivers races. Needs a race sitting on the naughty step, really.
Maldonado - A false start so huge you could measure it using the half-life of Uranium 238, and then - quel surprise - lost his nose and retired. Beginning to think his victory in Spain was actually the Stig or something.
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Same thing with Maldonado, Ham just drive his car, he doesn't care what other drivers are doing... and than boom. I said not Hamilton's fault, but if you want to finish races you actually need to know what is going on near you.
Hamilton needs a couple of iracing starts where if you are not careful you won't make first turn, period.
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Speaking of which, he's just made a great start to the Italian Grand Prix in two weeks' time.
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I don't think anything became of that (although people are saying there is/might be), just the "under investigation" bit. After all, you're allowed one blocking move between any two corners, so I can't see how the letter of the law was violated. There's no rule saying how short or long the distance between the two corners must be.
That is, unless there's same vague sporting regulation that prohibits the blocking of another competitor's advance towards pit entry. In that case, the block-and-lock action seemed to occur aft of the white stripe painted across the width of the track.
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He also ran into the back of Glock on the restart, he just doesn't learn.
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I welcome opinion, but no, just no. Drivers that completely ignore all that is going around them rarely last a season in F1, nvm be a world champion. Do you really think Hamilton would still be at a top F1 team if he drove like you said he does? You need to take those special anti-Hamilton blinkers off that are all the rage nowadays.
