2012 Canadian Grand Prix

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hornet_burnout
Button saying he shouldn't have bothered getting back on track and using up that set of tires. My sentiments exactly. If he was going with yellows, why wasted valuable laps for his 1st stint strategy?
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I agree, why force yourself to start the race on hards when you can just go out and do sectors on a scrubbed set and allow yourself the decision? Seems really illogical to me.

Similar to what Red Bull did at Monaco, the car has front row pace but they are taking a strategy gamble apparently. Though why you would limit your options like that bewilders me :banghead:
 
IceMan PJN
I wouldn't write off Mercedes and Lotus just yet. They've done fairly well thus far this season and it's still early. Besides, one of the three you mentioned is McLaren, who screw up almost everything they do lately. They'll send their cars onto the starting grid with the front wing on the rear and rear wing on the nose, and send them out with bare rims (no tires)
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True I forgot Mercedes. But i think lotus won't be able to keep the updates coming through fast enough so i think they will fall off the leaders.

On a different note brilliant qualifying by Daniel Riccardo, while Vergne was disappointing. Lets see if Riccardo can turn the tables on his race pace, could be a great race for him.
 
Hollidog
I agree, why force yourself to start the race on hards when you can just go out and do sectors on a scrubbed set and allow yourself the decision? Seems really illogical to me.

Similar to what Red Bull did at Monaco, the car has front row pace but they are taking a strategy gamble apparently. Though why you would limit your options like that bewilders me :banghead:
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I think the decision was already made. Button wasn't confortable (a lot less running) going for top times, everyone else was already on reds, so why push the yellow race starting tires a few laps on qualifying pace? Hoping to start 9th instead of 10th? And even if they did, would that be worth wasting at least 5 racing laps from those tires and decreasing the odds of success of that long 1st stint strategy?

Another small MacFail to me...


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What you guys think Vettel is gonna do if he gets the "holeshot" (pun intended)?

a) do his usual power race gaining advantage to pit twice at ease
b) hold pace and field to try and do just one stop

I thinking he's not confident enough for a) and also that it'll depend on whoever is behind him and how hard he's pushed.
 
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hornet_burnout
I think the decision was already made. Button wasn't confortable (a lot less running) going for top times, everyone else was already on reds, so why push the yellow race starting tires a few laps on qualifying pace? Hoping to start 9th instead of 10th? And even if they did, would that be worth wasting at least 5 racing laps from those tires and decreasing the odds of success of that long 1st stint strategy?

Another small MacFail to me...
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I see your point that Button might not have been there pace wise. We already know that unless he is super confident in the car he cant push it like Hamilton can. Though that was not necessarily my point.

Button would have put at least three laps on those tires, and as a result, forces himself to start the race on those tires. To me it seems much more logical just to stay in the garage and not go out at all. If anyone else had done the same he would have started in front of them anyway and he would still have the choice of what tires to start the race on.
 
Hollidog
I see your point that Button might not have been there pace wise. We already know that unless he is super confident in the car he cant push it like Hamilton can. Though that was not necessarily my point.

Button would have put at least three laps on those tires, and as a result, forces himself to start the race on those tires. To me it seems much more logical just to stay in the garage and not go out at all. If anyone else had done the same he would have started in front of them anyway and he would still have the choice of what tires to start the race on.
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If he stayed in the garage he would have started on the soft tyres anyway, he had already wasted all of his super softs going out unnecessarily in Q1. Starting on softs he has the opportunity to jump a few people in the stops, rather than being on the same strategy as everyone with the possibility of being stuck behind a force india for half the race.
 
To all of these previous answers: This year it might be faster driving the harder tyre compound. Pirellis Yellow wall tyre doesnt last long enough and this creates mulptiple more pitstops? This can be the difference of a 1 pitstop race or 3 pitstop race.. knowing you lose 20seconds during a pitstop? and just 1 to 1.5 seconds a lap on the harder tyres? it might just be a good strategic choice to go with the harder tyres?

My expectations for today: Hamilton Pushes to much and has or trouble or a crash
Schumacher gets top 5 and both Renaults will struggle. Button gets good pace I think, even with a bad Quali. You never know with him. Vettel will win i think. Id rather see Alonso win or even Massa, but thats almost impoosible...

7 victors in 7 races? I dont think so
 
Yes, reports of already a very hot morning. Bad news for Hamilton on super softs later on, or even for any one stop strategies.

The "trick" with the one stop (or at least, one stop less than others) from Button will be to stay close to the front runners. If he can stay under 20/25 seconds then he can push for some 5 laps (more if he has the tires for it) from the lead when the others pit.

Then either pit and keep the lead, or at least force front runners to respond to prevent this, and that will make them use up their tires and need an additional stop. Win/win.

But to make that push for 5 or so laps, he would need to have as much rubber left as possible on those yellows.


Hollidog
I see your point that Button might not have been there pace wise. We already know that unless he is super confident in the car he cant push it like Hamilton can. Though that was not necessarily my point.

Button would have put at least three laps on those tires, and as a result, forces himself to start the race on those tires. To me it seems much more logical just to stay in the garage and not go out at all. If anyone else had done the same he would have started in front of them anyway and he would still have the choice of what tires to start the race on.
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Yes, going out at all reduced his choices, besides wasting rubber, and showing his game plan.
 
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SilverArrow
If he stayed in the garage he would have started on the soft tyres anyway, he had already wasted all of his super softs going out unnecessarily in Q1. Starting on softs he has the opportunity to jump a few people in the stops, rather than being on the same strategy as everyone with the possibility of being stuck behind a force india for half the race.
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Yes but he could have started on fresh tires rather than the slightly worn ones he is forced to run on now.

He agrees with me
 
The weather is all hot and sunny today. More good news for cars that can stand hotter temperature. Red Bull and Lotus comes to mind.
 
Yes... 19h (GMT +1 summer time) UK and PT.

And yes, the basic point I was making was that he had no other options than that, decision was made, so why bother... Added that, as statet by Hollidog, doing so also limited his chances to eventually change his mind and run SS.
 
Seismica
So, does anybody think anybody other than Vettel is going to win?
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If the weather's like it was in qualifying, you'd find it hard to think of anyone other than Vettel, Hamilton and Alonso for victory.

If it rains like last year, it's a free for all.
 
When it comes to superior tyre management, Button is in the game. For this moment, it sounds a lot like Vettel's race because it's getting hotter there. Yeah, I may be putting the hot weather too much into the factor but that's how it goes.

If that plan doesn't work, it's anybody's race...
 
Safety cars will play a role too especially with Pastor at the back. Maybe someone crashing into the wall of champions as well.
 
Prince.M5
When it comes to superior tyre management, Button is in the game. For this moment, it sounds a lot like Vettel's race because it's getting hotter there. Yeah, I may be putting the hot weather too much into the factor but that's how it goes.

If that plan doesn't work, it's anybody's race...
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Button said he's pinning his hopes on warm weather, don't know why though.
 
gorsad
Button said he's pinning his hopes on warm weather, don't know why though.
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Maybe because a real hot weather may be too much, even with him driving as conservatively as possible, may not be enough to keep the tyres in good state for long.
 
the result is simple to predict.

If the Red Bull is the fastest car Vettel will win.
If Red Bull and McLaren are equal Hamilton will win.
If Red Bull, McLaren and Ferrari are equal Alonso will win.
 
Heat will put Hamilton out of the fight (hoping not) and Alonso has 2 chances, getting the holeshot, or if in second push Vettel into a 2 or 3 stop and try to gain something out of it.

Still think Vettel has the tools to counteract any move this weekend. Not that I like him the least bit, just being rational here...

And yes, Button can gain something by saving tires while others fight in the heat. But that did not happen in Monaco, did it?
 
I'm not sure if many of you have noticed this but the car that clocked the highest speed on the back straight is the HRT of De La Rosa at 324.3kmh!

The 2 slowest cars are Red Bull and Marussia clocking at just 312kmh.

I'm going to speculate that, if it follows the plan that by the time the DRS is activated and Hamilton is within a second behind Vettel, Hamilton with the highest speed of 318kmh could sneak past Vettel. Alonso's not all that fast on straight either.

EDIT: Maldonado will start last again, just like in Monaco for changing a gearbox. Just hope that he doesn't rocket into the back of an HRT.
 
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Prince.M5
I'm not sure if many of you have noticed this but the car that clocked the highest speed on the back straight is the HRT of De La Rosa at 324.3kmh!

The 2 slowest cars are Red Bull and Marussia clocking at just 312kmh.

I'm going to speculate that, if it follows the plan that by the time the DRS is activated and Hamilton is within a second behind Vettel, Hamilton with the highest speed of 318kmh could sneak past Vettel. Alonso's not all that fast on straight either.

EDIT: Maldonado will start last again, just like in Monaco for changing a gearbox. Just hope that he doesn't rocket into the back of an HRT.
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Vettel makes up for it though in the first 2 sectors so it's unlikely that Hamilton will ever be less than a second behind.
 

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