2012 Grand Premio Petrobras do Brasil

[homeforsummer]

Sorry?what did I say?did I say to you "shut your mouth"?
Can I say"this is the only place,site............................................."?
What is wrong with that?
You have your opinion and it's ok!a lot of people here after the race have said that it was clearly a Vettel fault(go back and read it)!then I posted the BBC and the Gazzetta opinion about that crash!I can't?

The information isn't the problem. I've tried to explain this.

The problem is the manner in which you're delivering it. It's the equivalent of a kid pestering and pestering their parents until they listen.

You have an opinion. We get it. But posting it repeatedly doesn't add anything to the conversation. It was understandable the first time. Saying it many, many more times doesn't make it any more right.

You think it wasn't Vettel's fault? Wonderful! Good for you. Now explain why, in your own words, rather than throwing irrelevant sources at the conversation. The floor is yours - do it some justice rather than just implying everyone is wrong.

 

[Submerged]

I think you and I need to have a talk.

Oh, stop it my fabulously colourful hair friend!

I just love that word and always use it in everything I talk about, because its so FAB to say FAB!

Honestly though.... It was a fantastically tense race all the way through. Awesome.

 

[Centura]

Have anyone said that it's "Hamilton's fault*"? No? Okay! I think it's time. From now on, it's "Vettel's fault".

 

[wajdi1977]

The information isn't the problem. I've tried to explain this.

The problem is the manner in which you're delivering it. It's the equivalent of a kid pestering and pestering their parents until they listen.

You have an opinion. We get it. But posting it repeatedly doesn't add anything to the conversation. It was understandable the first time. Saying it many, many more times doesn't make it any more right.

You think it wasn't Vettel's fault? Wonderful! Good for you. Now explain why, in your own words, rather than throwing irrelevant sources at the conversation. The floor is yours - do it some justice rather than just implying everyone is wrong.

Now BBC and the Gazzetta are irrelevant soures!ok
Good night mate!
Actually English is my fourth language,so I have difficult to rispond to you properly every time!you have this big advantage of the language,so I give up!
good night again!

 

[RACECAR]

Personally in regards to the lap 1 incident, I think its this guy's fault.

 

[hornet_burnout]

Have anyone said that it's "Hamilton's fault*"? No? Okay! I think it's time. From now on, it's "Vettel's fault".

No, it's Grosjean's fault...

 

[Small_Fryz]

Awesome race and glad I got up at 2am to watch it, then also glad I was able to sleep from 4am to 7:30am afterwards .

Big congrats to Vettel and solid effort for Alonso. Personally you can make arguments for each driver and Vettel had some tough luck and some good luck through out the season as did Alonso. Both had a few failures etc.

All in all what a brilliant finish to the year and looking forward to next year.

 

[homeforsummer]

Actually English is my fourth language

All the more reason to construct your posts with greater thought as to how they come across. I have a limited grasp of French and German, so I tend to avoid running my mouth off in those languages. Unsurprisingly, it might come across poorly.

I assume that also means we won't be getting a well thought-out explanation of how you see the incident, then. As I suspected.

 

[Tzun]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugig2WPx860&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

[Submerged]

Now BBC and the Gazzetta are irrelevant soures!ok
Good night mate!
Actually English is my fourth language,so I have difficult to rispond to you properly every time!you have this big advantage of the language,so I give up!
good night again!

Homeforsummer isn't trying to make you feel bad.

He is trying to get you, wajdi1977, to become better at expressing yourself in English. By trying to get you to explain why you feel your opinion matters and to express it in many words, rather than short words. Short words doesn't always express the correct meaning that you want to express.

Also, the excessive use of "!" (exclamation marks) makes you rather unpredictable. Or not-serious.

If you do find it difficult to express it clearly in English, then why not just state the following:

"I'm happy that Vettel has won the Driver's Championship and I believe he drove the best race he could have and that is my opinion".

If you had said that and nothing else, we would have accepted it and left it as it is. It contributed to the conversation as stating that you were happy that he won, that you felt he was the best driver of the day and that it was your opinion that he was the best driver of the day. That is a more meaningful contribution/conversation to the topic.

 

[Terronium-12]

lolllllllllllllllll saying shut up to me seating behind a pc!sad thing mate:tdown:
I would give you my adress here in Israel and I would pay you the ticket and I would like that you repeat this to me bodily !

It'd be rude of me to tell you such, given my position, but if I had I wouldn't have to do it in person as I could simply stifle you from right where I am.

Simply put, knock off the childish attitude or I'll have no problem doing so.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Well, I'm disappointed. On more than one level. I find Vettel to be an unworthy champion; just last week, he was whinging that he was "done" in Formula 1 this year because Karthikeyan held him up; this week, he's content to drive without pushing too hard once he has enough points to secure the championship.

I would also argue that the race was bad because there was far too much going on. I spent more time looking at the timing splits at the bottom of the page, trying to figure out who was where at any given moment, than I did at the actual racing. If I need to rewind parts of the race just to figure out what is going on, then I’d say there is too much going on. It stops being action and drama and starts being randomness.

 

[PeterJB]

Well, I'm disappointed. On more than one level. I find Vettel to be an unworthy champion; just last week, he was whinging that he was "done" in Formula 1 this year because Karthikeyan held him up; this week, he's content to drive without pushing too hard once he has enough points to secure the championship.

He was running fastest for large parts of the race. And in conditions like that, with Hulkenberg several seconds ahead, there would be no point in potentially blowing it all just for an extra two points.

 

[GTPorsche]

Just finished watching the race.

I don't really agree with the penalty given to Hulkenberg.

 

[Small_Fryz]

Well, I'm disappointed. On more than one level. I find Vettel to be an unworthy champion; just last week, he was whinging that he was "done" in Formula 1 this year because Karthikeyan held him up; this week, he's content to drive without pushing too hard once he has enough points to secure the championship.

Because pushing really hard in such terrible conditions is a smart idea when a championship is on the line??

Either way he was 1 second faster than everyone near the end of the race so I'm unsure where this is coming from? His team even told him to slow down as the gap ahead was insurmountable.

I would also argue that the race was bad because there was far too much going on. I spent more time looking at the timing splits at the bottom of the page, trying to figure out who was where at any given moment, than I did at the actual racing. If I need to rewind parts of the race just to figure out what is going on, then I’d say there is too much going on. It stops being action and drama and starts being randomness.

Id say that has more to do with you being up at 2am and trying to watch multiple screens .

Seriously though this reminds me of when people complain its not raining then on day 1 of rain they complain it is raining.... How can you complain that "too much is going on??"

 

[avens]

Well, I'm disappointed. On more than one level. I find Vettel to be an unworthy champion; just last week, he was whinging that he was "done" in Formula 1 this year because Karthikeyan held him up; this week, he's content to drive without pushing too hard once he has enough points to secure the championship.

I would also argue that the race was bad because there was far too much going on. I spent more time looking at the timing splits at the bottom of the page, trying to figure out who was where at any given moment, than I did at the actual racing. If I need to rewind parts of the race just to figure out what is going on, then I’d say there is too much going on. It stops being action and drama and starts being randomness.

Lots of legendary drivers were more childish than him, not the PR robots we have today. Having a different personality does not make a driver worse or unworthy.

I followed the race without any problem, just watching one screen (no timings, red button, etc).

 

[wajdi1977]

He was running fastest for large parts of the race. And in conditions like that, with Hulkenberg several seconds ahead, there would be no point in potentially blowing it all just for an extra two points.

This!in that condition he did fine!it was too risky to push in that wet track.

 

[Dennisch]

How can you complain that "too much is going on??"

+1

Finally a race that has everything, and then all of the sudden too much is going on?

Let's all watch races that show the Nr1 drive away on a bone dry track, and the rest of the field following in a parade of 10 second gaps.

Yeey!

This!in that condition he did fine!it was too risky to push in that wet track.

Hey. You said you had to leave. Good night. Twice!

 

[G.T.Ace]

Seriously prisonermonkeys, I also don't get what you're saying.
Totally agree with Small_Fryz here.

Actually, this was one of the very few F1 races I enjoyed this year.

 

[Pagey279]

Well, I'm disappointed. On more than one level. I find Vettel to be an unworthy champion; just last week, he was whinging that he was "done" in Formula 1 this year because Karthikeyan held him up; this week, he's content to drive without pushing too hard once he has enough points to secure the championship.

I don't see this as a reason to find him an unworthy champion. He didn't need to do anything more so why would he?
Especially in such changeable and challenging conditions, with a damaged car lacking down force, with a very safe gap back to his team-mate, not much to gain by putting his foot down but a world championship to lose, knowing that if he stayed in that position he was world champion.

In light of all the above can you seriously blame him? Hell if I was him I would have done exactly the same.

Dang, tree'd by many many posts.

 

[Akmuq]

"Go Home Raikkonen, You're Drunk"

Anyway, awesome race once again, thought the championship would be boring after India, but those last 3 races.

 

[Submerged]

I think Prisonermonkeys is implying that he thought the race showed no skill.

And it was too random to clearly see whether there was good skill applied during the race or not.

 

[RACECAR]

"Go Home Raikkonen, You're Drunk"

Would this be before or after he says "Shut up, I know what I'm doing" ?

 

[Pagey279]

I think Prisonermonkeys is implying that he thought the race showed no skill.

And it was too random to clearly see whether there was good skill applied during the race or not.

Even if this is the case or not, neither view makes much sense at all

 

[I Am Yellow]

I'd rather have a race with "too much going on" than an absolutely boring race like many others. I really enjoyed it, had lots of drama rarely seen recently. I wanted Vettel to win the championship (I don't like Alonso), but whoever won it would be deserved.

 

[PeterJB]

Hamilton did basically the same thing in '08 too (until Vettel passed him).

 

[Small_Fryz]

I think Prisonermonkeys is implying that he thought the race showed no skill.

And it was too random to clearly see whether there was good skill applied during the race or not.

Trying to drive in such changeable conditions on slicks with no traction control while keeping near the limit shows skills... No suprise to see the cream rise to the top in such a race, regardless of car. Even Schumacher had a good crack and he had a puncture!!

No one really got a huge advantage from making split second strategy calls except maybe button/hulkenburg by staying out instead of pitting.

If anything if it wasn't for Vettel's radio issues he wouldn't have made 1 extra stop for no reason and would have finished ahead of Webber on his own merit. Though people seem to be conveniently forgetting this...

 

[prisonermonkeys]

I think Prisonermonkeys is implying that he thought the race showed no skill.

And it was too random to clearly see whether there was good skill applied during the race or not.

Correct.

 

[Small_Fryz]

Correct.

Um.... What? How?

Have you ever tried to drive/ride anything hard in changeable conditions before?? Even in a game??

 

[Pagey279]

Correct.

Well after Vettel's little boo boo he was last on lap 1, drove all the way up to 4th after 9 or 10 laps was it? I think it was around that anyway.
Made 2 more pit stops, and still finished 6th. Doing all he needed to do to win the championship.
With a damaged car.
In the rain.
With a championship at stake.

On paper and in reality yes it required skill, a lot of it and quite a few more attributes to boot, I'm not entirely sure how it could be seen otherwise.