2013 Formula 1 Grand Prix du Canada

[Dennisch]

I'll take a competitive, hard-fought race over this procession any day of the week. I thought F1 was about racing? Or is it just the RB show, gun forced smile for Bernie to accept?

Every race fan does that, but your anti RBR-Vettel comments are not adding anything to this thread, or any other F1 thread you've posted in.

Change your silly attitude or just stay away from threads like this.

 

[Bram Turismo]

The problem Vettel is facing is the rule changing. If F1 was continuing as it is, Vettel could probably beat Michael, with the rule change it might change quite a bit and the winner of next year might be something on the same line as Brawn GP. A car exploiting a loophole.

However Renault have huge experience with V6 and RBR have Newey so we never know. But if someone can do it curently it's him.

Ah, but you could say the same about 2009. And despite Brawn's early dominance, look how close Vettel grabbed past the title

 

[zippy_the_cat]

NBC is exponentially better than Speed, they actually air other F1 related programming outside the race.

Agreed, also for the fact they do the picture-in-picture thing during the commercials that never seemed to occur to the idiots who ran Speed.

 

[Peter.]

And how was Vettel an undeserving winner?

If anything, every win Vettel brings home makes me feel even more sure he is easily going to beat Schumacher's world title record.

Doubt it. Vettel isn't half the driver Schumacher was, and Red Bull's success run will only be as long as Newey is there, if even that long.

 

[Furinkazen]

Monaco was more exciting than Canada. How is that possible?


Thank you - somebody who accepts history has repeated and F1 is once again in a decline.

Did I actually say that? Don't put words in other peoples mouths. Lotus, Ferrari, Red Bull, Mercedes all have cars that can win. Williams are slowly showing flashes of old form, as are Toro Rosso. Caterham and Marussia slowly are gaining pace.

Vettel won last season in a season that had 7 winners from first 7 events if I recall?

 

[JGreens]

Ah, but you could say the same about 2009. And despite Brawn's early dominance, look how close Vettel grabbed past the title

'09 - the only time Vettel has shown any inch of skill. Didn't have the golden car and managed to show some talent and dragged himself into a title-race. Then, Newey starts designing golden chariots and it's like go-kart easy peasy.

 

[Furinkazen]

'09 - the only time Vettel has shown any inch of skill. Didn't have the golden car and managed to show some talent and dragged himself into a title-race. Then, Newey starts designing golden chariots and it's like go-kart easy peasy.

So what then? Someone is always going to be fastest with best car. Deal with it.

 

[SpeedyishOlly]

'09 - the only time Vettel has shown any inch of skill. Didn't have the golden car and managed to show some talent and dragged himself into a title-race. Then, Newey starts designing golden chariots and it's like go-kart easy peasy.

You can't really say that, the only person you can actually compare him to is his team mate and clearly he is in a different league.

 

[Samus]

Honestly I would but everyone would just be arguing with themselves.

Not if everyone does the same.

 

[Furinkazen]

Before JGreens spouts anymore, this is the guy who in his debut season (not even that if I recall) won at Monza, and ran well at Fuji, in a TORO ROSSO. Not a Red Bull, a damn TORO ROSSO. The team that was only a season or 2 earlier Minardi.

 

[JGreens]

So what then? Someone is always going to be fastest with best car. Deal with it.

Do you like the fact that if Vettel wins title number 4, technically, he is considered to be better than Senna, Lauda, Stewart & Brabham?
It's that kind of insult that makes my blood boil.

 

[Furinkazen]

Do you like the fact that if Vettel wins title number 4, technically, he is considered to be better than Senna, Lauda, Stewart & Brabham?
It's that kind of insult that makes my blood boil.

Opinion not evidence. I consider Stirling Moss better than Keke Rosberg, and he won 0 titles to 1.

 

[Famine]

Not if everyone does the same.

Not everyone can.

Do you like the fact that if Vettel wins title number 4, technically, he is considered to be better than Senna, Lauda, Stewart & Brabham?
It's that kind of insult that makes my blood boil.

Only by people who can only count up to 7 and rank everything accordingly - and Schumacher's considered the best of the lot by those people.

 

[Northstar]

Fangio>All those guys.

 

[dice1998]

In defense of Toro Rosso, they were better than than they are now.

 

[JGreens]

Opinion not evidence. I consider Stirling Moss better than Keke Rosberg, and he won 0 titles to 1.

The history books don't lie. Obviously all F1 fans know the truth and can have debates about equally great drivers. That's why Kimi who's only won once, is widely respected & acknowledged to be better than Vettel who won three*

 

[Furinkazen]

In defense of Toro Rosso, they were better than than they are now.

Yes, but still not anywhere near the front of the grid.

 

[Centura]

Before JGreens spouts anymore, this is the guy who in his debut season (not even that if I recall) won at Monza, and ran well at Fuji, in a TORO ROSSO. Not a Red Bull, a damn TORO ROSSO. The team that was only a season or 2 earlier Minardi.

Technically, it was a Red Bull in Toro Rosso livery.

 

[PeterJB]

Do you like the fact that if Vettel wins title number 4, technically, he is considered to be better than Senna, Lauda, Stewart & Brabham?
It's that kind of insult that makes my blood boil.

This coming from someone who said this:

As a racing fan do you really care about fastest laps and career points? I mean, by using that logic, you're arguing that Vettel is better than Piquet, Senna, Hunt, Stewart, Fittipaldi, Lauda etc... - practically every other driver before the rule change to points.

 

[JGreens]

This coming from someone who said this:

Don't get your point?

 

[DK]

Welcome to my ignore list JGreens, you share it with an Alaskan who has an obsessive hatred of ponies.

 

[f40]

Technically, it was a Red Bull in Toro Rosso livery.

Indeed, but back when Red Bull themselves were 7th in the constructors championship, with no wins.

 

[PeterJB]

Don't get your point?

You just used a statistics argument to say that Vettel will technically be better than all triple world champions if he wins this year, yet in the Bahrain GP thread you said statistics are meaningless. Funny that.

 

[f40]

Not if everyone does the same.

Well, I've done it

 

[Ardius]

Don't get your point?

Maybe you should think about that.

 

[JGreens]

Welcome to my ignore list JGreens, you share it with an Alaskan who has an obsessive hatred of ponies.

Hm, not a fan of ponies either, we could be friends?!

You just used a statistics argument to say that Vettel will technically be better than all triple world champions if he wins this year, yet in the Bahrain GP thread you said statistics are meaningless. Funny that.

Not quite. I said F1 fans know the truth of it.

 

[JGreens]

not again, how to delete?

 

[Furinkazen]

not again, how to delete?

Get a mod to.

And maybe back up an argument in future.

Where did Rosberg finish today?

 

[Dragonwhisky]

By the time Vettel is done he will have broken every record held by every driver and every team JGreen holds dear. Right behind him will come others that will break his records. It's inevitable. And the really horrible thing for Jgreens is that he'll likely live to see the former happen but not the latter.

 

[Peter.]

Yes, but still not anywhere near the front of the grid.

Are you implying that the Monza race wasn't mostly brilliant wet race strategy by Torro Rosso? Bourdais qualified 4th, if you can believe that, and he wasn't really considered anything special.