2014 engines: inline-fours out, turbo-charged V6 engines in

[Griffith500]

So, the IndyCar reg.s limit engines to 12 000 rpm, and this is how they sound:



Red car: Honda single turbo
Blue car: Chevy twin turbo

As expected, an uneven-firing single-turbo V6 (i.e. the Honda) has a "hollow" three-cylinder tone. There's still a chance of rogue 6-cylinder harmonics escaping at higher engine speeds with the F1s, though, so they'll probably sound a bit different. Even more so, because it looks like Honda is using a bank angle that is narrower than 90° (probably 80°, like their old turbo F1 engines), which potentially makes it more uneven than the F1 V6s will be.

 

[hawkeye122]

Yeah... I don't like that as much as what they have now...

Awesome Engine idea* #345
Unlimited boost pressure & RPM

*I know it isn't actually awesome, because it would be expensive, and, well, just wouldnt happen.

 

[Endless-Wilso]

Doesnt the Delta Wing use a similar engine just a wee bigger .

 

[hawkeye122]

Doesnt the Delta Wing use a similar engine just a wee bigger .

Yeah, but it's based on the Juke-GTR or whatevers' engine. I doubt Bernie wants people to picture a Nissan Juke when they think "Formula 1 Engine"...

 

[RacerMPower]

Thank goodness that F1 is not using four cylinder engines in 2014, V6’s I can live with.

If you want road relevance, the highway is the best place for that. F1 should have ridiculously loud and proud engines, if you want street relevance, watch touring cars.

I still mourn at the loss of V10’s, tbh. But four cylinder hair dryers? Just no.

 

[joetruckv8]

I'm just worried about the reliablitiy issues with using a high powered V6 plus turbo which is another unit that can fail.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Making a more-reliable engine has always been an issue for any form of motorsport. If anything, lower reliability is a good thing, because the days of ultra-reliability have been boring.

 

[joetruckv8]

Race engineers say ouch!

 

[MSTER232]

Read my sig.

These regs will just produce a F3 type procession with not enough power and too much downforce.

👍

Ground effects?

Cool! I'm all for it! It would be good for the sport!

Oh nonononono, none of that ricer 🤬 please.

Vettel will use anyones car.

Mark Webber will no doubt use the back of Heikki Kovalainen's car.

But then Ferrari will run away with it, because they have the most money.

This.

I'm beginning to suspect many of the lap records set in 2004-5 are never going to be beaten.

They're never going to be beaten.

This is why in 2015, while the drivers are too busy with hover boards, teams will build robot drivers to drive the cars to the limits of physics with ground efects, winglets, turbo boosts and rocket propelled cars.

If robot drivers are allowed in 2015, I will stop watching F1. People go to the races live to see the talent of human drivers, not robot drivers who can do a perfect lap every lap 👎 .

 

[Alex.]

I think he might have been joking.

 

[MSTER232]

You can limit how much the injectors squirt through the ECU...

Off-topic, but am I the only one who thought dirty on this ?

 

[Ardius]

Well this is an engine thread:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-19818009

It will also carry a Cosworth Formula 1 engine, although this will have no direct involvement in driving wheels as it does on a racing car. Instead, the F1 power unit will be used to turn the pump that forces liquid oxidiser into the rocket's fuel chamber.

Wednesday's experimental firing was the first time engineers had seen the hybrid motor, Cosworth and pump - together with their control electronics - run in unison.

F1 engines on their own are very loud but with the rocket also in full throat, the din produced in the shelter was predicted to exceed 180 decibels - many times the sound intensity of the Tornado fighters that used to occupy the building on the edge of the Newquay runway.

An interesting use for a Cosworth F1 engine .

 

[Wardez]

Woo!

Renault's testing their 2014 engine:

http://www.racecar-engineering.com/news/renault-reveals-2014-f1-engine/#.UIVAZeZBJ6I.twitter

Can't wait to hear how that thing sounds.

 

[F1rookie]

PURE reveal 2014 F1 V6 turbo engine

Newcomers 'Propulsion Universelle et Recuperation d'Energie'

 

[Peasantslayer]

Apparently the engine will be more important in 2014, especially with the 2014 aero regs staying the same as 2012.

http://en.espnf1.com/fia/motorsport/story/97027.html

 

[hawkeye122]

Hopefully they bump up the boost pressure a tad. They'll be a bit slower than they are now, i reckon.

 

[DJW_GT]

especially with the 2014 aero regs staying the same as 2012.

http://en.espnf1.com/fia/motorsport/story/97027.html

So this means that Hamilton's chances of having a dominant (or at least competitive) car in in 2014 have now practically disappeared then?

 

[sumbrownkid]

Not necessarily. What if he has the most powerful and reliable engine on grid? 2014 is the first year of this type so teething problems are going to be there.

 

[Peasantslayer]

So this means that Hamilton's chances of having a dominant (or at least competitive) car in in 2014 have now practically disappeared then?

I've read through other forums to see people's opinions and it may not be such a bad thing, it might mean Newey is less likely to come up with something special. IIRC ERS will be twice as powerful as KERS and it will be available to use 10 times longer per lap, now using basic Top Gear style maths if Mercedes KERS is roughly a tenth a lap faster than anyone elses today then that could mean their ERS will be 20 tenths/2 seconds a lap faster than anyone elses in 2014 (I hope ). Merc don't seem to be complaining about the changes so hopefully that's a good thing.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

So this means that Hamilton's chances of having a dominant (or at least competitive) car in in 2014 have now practically disappeared then?

Why did you assume he would have a dominant car in 2014?

His chances of having one are no more and no less than anyone else.

 

[Peasantslayer]

Andrew Benson has just written an article regarding the 2014 regulations, I was most surprised at this statement "How much lower will the noses be? In 2012, F1 cars had a maximum front nose height of 550mm above the floor of the car. In 2014, that is being reduced to 185mm - a reduction in height of 365mm."

 

[TheBook]

How does he figure that? The FIA have already said that 2014 aero regulations will stay the same as 2012's...

 

[DemurgicDemon]

How does he figure that? The FIA have already said that 2014 aero regulations will stay the same as 2012's...

From what I've read it is the aerodynamic changes intended to reduce downforce that are being dropped. The lowering of the nose is not intended to lower downforce (although it will have that effect) but to make the cars safer in a side-on impact. Basically the change is serving the same purpose as the stepped-noses we have at the moment, but this is taking it a step further.

 

[GTracer98]

Apart from engines, I don't like the nose height regulations, I love the high noses from these years (2009-2013)

 

[Ardius]

Apart from engines, I don't like the nose height regulations, I love the high noses from these years (2009-2013)

 

[GTracer98]

There's a chance they aren't gonna look like that... And the power, 650 HP??? How can FIA call that an F1 engine?

 

[Tired Tyres]

Stop trolling the thread with pictures of car porn.

 

[DemurgicDemon]

Stop trolling the thread with pictures of car porn.

Fat chance...

 

[Samus]

There's a chance they aren't gonna look like that... And the power, 650 HP??? How can FIA call that an F1 engine?

F1 hasn't been about out and out power for years.

 

[GTracer98]

True, but 650 HP is a bit too little for F1...