2014 Pirelli Hungarian Grand Prix

[GrandTurismo]

Ricciardo's pass on hamilton was out of this world.
Hamilton's overtake on Vergne was ****ing sublime.
Alonso solid drive as usual, but we expect nothing less of him
Vettel was sloppy with that spin after getting under pressure from Lewis.
Kimi had a pretty good race from 16th to 6th.
Button's races was thrown away by bad strategy.
Vergne had a decent first stint and held of Rosberg pretty damn long.

Great race indeed, but what a drive from Lewis again.

 

[Hun200kmh]

In my earlier post I forgot to mention an admirable driver from today's race. Jean Eric Vergne.

I think the French fans should look ahead with some confidence in F1. Besides the notoriously quick Jules Bianchi, JEV is also showing more than enough skill and speed to deserve a better seat in F1. Today's drive, and the way he defended against both Mercs, was great to watch (the little we were shown of JEV)

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Ahh I see, I had meant soft tyres not mediums(somehow thought tyres were hard and medium, it's getting late)
Yes, you corrected an oversight I had with the lap time, and now a slip with tyres. Yet after all this nothing has changed and it's all speculation, I don't believe Hamilton's strategy was wrong, Alonso changed his strategy and didn't play ball with expectations. If Alonso had pitted how much further down the road would Hamilton have been? If? Maybe? doesn't matter.

Hamilton could mirror Alonso in strategy and given he has faster car I think he would have got track position if he could unleash full potential of his car. I'm happy Lewis managed to get position he did and thanks to JEV for holding Nico up.

 

[HKS racer]

In my earlier post I forgot to mention an admirable driver from today's race. Jean Eric Vergne.

I think the French fans should look ahead with some confidence in F1. Besides the notoriously quick Jules Bianchi, JEV is also showing more than enough skill and speed to deserve a better seat in F1. Today's drive, and the way he defended against both Mercs, was great to watch (the little we were shown of JEV)

Yes and last year JEV was more or less competitive with Ricciardo wich is going to be the next best thing in F1. Today the french did a brilliant job.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Yes I read what he said and two people being wrong agreeing with each other does not make me wrong.

I can see you are trying to be a brick wall, very simple stuff I'm saying to you. Hopefully you will understand sooner rather than later.

Hamilton would be ahead on track and fresher soft tyres and have lead call. If Nico couldn't close gap much to him when Lewis on mediums so what chance would he have had if Lewis was on soft tyres.

I'm trying to be a brick wall? You're one to talk, you're not exactly Mother Teresa and full of compromise yourself, and I understand quite well what you're saying. Just because I understand it doesn't mean it is correct (since this is all speculation) and thus I don't have to agree with you because I see what you're trying to say. Not sure what school of debate/Socratic method you've come from but it doesn't work that way.

I agree just because me and him and actually a couple others seem to agree doesn't mean they're overall correct, but it shows that it's probably unlike to those who follow that it could have gotten any better due to what MGP knew in real time. If they had known that there would be rain or a wet track early on and that two safety cars would appear with one being extended and it splitting the field obviously it would be different. Sadly as has been said that isn't how the world works. So you can say he was compromised all you want, and if your this keen on it I mean why not send your resume over to MGP and this convo to prove that you could be a valued strategist.

Not sure what else to tell you, but you're not going to convince me otherwise just because you think your hypothetical scenario works out perfectly in your mind. (In other words we can keep going in circles if you'd like but that's as far as it will go)

 

[Sum1s2pid]

Put myself on a media blackout to avoid spoilers for the race. Turned on the TV to catch the end of the 2014 Tour de Druggies on Bikes with 30 minutes left to wait, and NBCSN was kind enough to flash the Hungaroring results. That's what I get. On the plus side, the cameras kept focusing on the wrong battles. Die in a fire, NBCSN. *doublebird*

Tense race, though. That weather really caught a lot of people with their pants down. Lots of drama, good battles, and nasty crashes.

Bummer for Button.

Ricciardo is a beast -- well done. That happy-go-lucky smiley bastard might have just gotten himself a new fan.

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

Put myself on a media blackout to avoid spoilers for the race. Turned on the TV to catch the end of the 2014 Tour de Druggies on Bikes with 30 minutes left to wait, and NBCSN was kind enough to flash the Hungaroring results. That's what I get. On the plus side, the cameras kept focusing on the wrong battles. Die in a fire, NBCSN. *doublebird*

Not NBCSN's fault. No matter who's broadcasting, everyone gets the same cruddy feed run by people that think it's more important to see a full screen slow replay of a car's suspension moving through a bend than a heated battle on the track. At some points, they even make a NASCAR broadcast from ESPN look competent.

 

[Sum1s2pid]

Not NBCSN's fault. No matter who's broadcasting, everyone gets the same cruddy feed run by people that think it's more important to see a full screen slow replay of a car's suspension moving through a bend than a heated battle on the track. At some points, they even make a NASCAR broadcast from ESPN look competent.

Fair enough, it's just easier for me to blame NBCSN, because their logo is on everything.

 

[dhandeh]

"Boring?" This is the first time I've heard it described that way. Everyone else in the world seemed happy with it.

Your sarcasm detector needs new batteries.

 

[ShiftingGears]

I've found 2014 to have the best racing in years. However the camera direction has been downright infuriating.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Really? If anything, I've found it has improved. Particularly in qualifying; it always frustrated me that the director stayed with the first car out at the end of Q3, when that car was often as not the slowest. So we would have a massive battle for pole, and we wouldn't see a thing of it because the director is more interested in Felipe Massa failing to beat his benchmark time.

 

[Peasantslayer]

Ill give you one example, yesterday someone had a small accident out of turn 3 (I think it was Sutil) but the cameraman felt it was appropriate to violent jerk the camera to the side and up towards the middle of some trees, did he think Sutil was going to land in the trees?

 

[TenEightyOne]

Ill give you one example, yesterday someone had a small accident out of turn 3 (I think it was Sutil) but the cameraman felt it was appropriate to violent jerk the camera to the side and up towards the middle of some trees, did he think Sutil was going to land in the trees?

The director chose to cut to that shot probably based on the camera location rather than what he "saw" from the camera - remember that they have access to all the GPS/timing information that the teams and commentators do. Possibly the camera was placing for the next shot (which may have been 15 seconds away) so we saw a duff shot.

That's a guess based on seeing a similar thing happen in a million other fast-moving live broadcasts, it's just one of those things.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

It was Grosjean. And as Martin Brundle said at the time, the camera operator probably wasn't expecting him to drop it. The camera had already started turning away when it started.

It was like Vettel spinning on the front straight - the camera was focused on Rosberg in the lane, and only caught the near miss by chance.

 

[mister dog]

Put myself on a media blackout to avoid spoilers for the race. Turned on the TV to catch the end of the 2014 Tour de Druggies on Bikes with 30 minutes left to wait, and NBCSN was kind enough to flash the Hungaroring results. That's what I get.

Bad luck Brian that you?

 

[Famine]

I'm curious about Grosjean's crash.

He binned it under safety car conditions. At the same corner that the crash that required the safety car to come out. In essence he overdrove the car while marshals were on-track at the same location...

I've got nothing against the chap - always thought his ban was a bit harsh, but it did him the world of good - but they can't let that slide, surely?

 

[mikeerfol]

I'm curious about Grosjean's crash.

He binned it under safety car conditions. At the same corner that the crash that required the safety car to come out. In essence he overdrove the car while marshals were on-track at the same location...

I've got nothing against the chap - always thought his ban was a bit harsh, but it did him the world of good - but they can't let that slide, surely?

Well, Grosjean did let it slide...

 

[Barra333]

I'm curious about Grosjean's crash.

He binned it under safety car conditions. At the same corner that the crash that required the safety car to come out. In essence he overdrove the car while marshals were on-track at the same location...

I've got nothing against the chap - always thought his ban was a bit harsh, but it did him the world of good - but they can't let that slide, surely?

Sorry for the logo in the centre of the screen, but here is Ericsson about to hit the wall. He comes to a rest between the end of the green pavement and the grass, immediately to the left of the play logo.

This is the wide shot just as Grosjean comes to a stop. No marshals. The SC had already been stated as 'in this lap', so by definition, the track was clear.

 

[Famine]

Sorry for the logo in the centre of the screen, but here is Ericsson about to hit the wall. He comes to a rest between the end of the green pavement and the grass, immediately to the left of the play logo.

This is the wide shot just as Grosjean comes to a stop. No marshals. The SC had already been stated as 'in this lap', so by definition, the track was clear.

I know that marshals were no longer physically on the track, but there are clear rules about driving under safety car conditions for the safety of the marshals - they have sectional deltas they mustn't exceed for the safety of the marshals.

To lose it under safety car conditions is Pretty Bad.

 

[Barra333]

I'm curious about Grosjean's crash.

He binned it under safety car conditions. At the same corner that the crash that required the safety car to come out. In essence he overdrove the car while marshals were on-track at the same location...

I've got nothing against the chap - always thought his ban was a bit harsh, but it did him the world of good - but they can't let that slide, surely?

I know that marshals were no longer physically on the track, but there are clear rules about driving under safety car conditions for the safety of the marshals - they have sectional deltas they mustn't exceed for the safety of the marshals.

To lose it under safety car conditions is Pretty Bad.

I agree 100% with your 2nd post, but the unbolded, italicized bits dont really agree between the two.

 

[Famine]

You misunderstand the intent of the first comment.

The Safety Car exists to protect the marshals. While the Safety Car is out, drivers must assume that there are people, unprotected on the track. This means that, in essence, a Safety Car's presence means that marshals are on the track and, in essence, crashing under SC conditions means you have overdriven the car while marshals are on the track. On this occasion it was at the exact same location that the original crash occurred - a patch which Grosjean had driven past a few times during the SC and can't have failed to notice.

 

[Ardius]

I know that marshals were no longer physically on the track, but there are clear rules about driving under safety car conditions for the safety of the marshals - they have sectional deltas they mustn't exceed for the safety of the marshals.

To lose it under safety car conditions is Pretty Bad.

There is no rule for crashing under safety car, only a rule about sticking to a time delta. You can crash while driving slow enough to meet the time delta, particularly in a corner like that where, as Ericsson demonstrated, it is very easy to lose the car with the current turbo engines if you mash the throttle a little too much - especially on cold tyes on a dampish or at least green/slippery track.

Not sure there is really a penalty to be given here at least going by what I remember in the rulebook.

Grosjean was already penalised by retiring and damaging his car severely. An extra steward-given penalty here would be completely unnecessary.

 

[jimipitbull]

At least they wont call him the first lap nutcase anymore.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

To lose it under safety car conditions is Pretty Bad.

He ... IS driving the Lotus. "Pretty Bad" is fairly complimentary.

 

[Famine]

Grosjean was already penalised by retiring and damaging his car severely. An extra steward-given penalty here would be completely unnecessary.

Perhaps it would discourage other drivers from trying to

mash the throttle a little too much - especially on cold tyes on a dampish or at least green/slippery track.

when there's a risk to track personnel.

We don't want to see these guys killed. Without them there isn't a race anyway. I don't think it's too much to ask to have the drivers respect that and take care when there's a Safety Car out, is it?

 

[GTracer98]

At least they wont call him the first lap nutcase anymore.

Oh, I remember those days... I felt so bad for him. So bad in fact, that whenever I played as him in F1 2012 I would purposely crash into everyone!

 

[Jaywalker]

Classy Alonso proved that he's the best on the grid & drive of the day for me was Ricciardo, upstaging Vettel YET AGAIN. He & Bottas must be future champs!

Regarding the Mercedes saga, why would they have thought that he would have let Rosberg through? He's fighting for the championship & Merc already have a practically unassailable lead. That was just a plain stupid instruction.

LMAO at Rosbergs repeated whining: "Why isn't he letting me past?" *sniff*

He couldn't even get into the DRS zone, yet he wanted to be let past? !

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Regarding the Mercedes saga, why would they have thought that he would have let Rosberg through? He's fighting for the championship & Merc already have a practically unassailable lead. That was just a plain stupid instruction.

They clearly thought that, if Hamilton let Rosberg through, then Rosberg would be able to break free and build up enough of a lead such that when he pitted, he would emerge closer to Hamilton and the two could take on Alonso, probably racing one another to the finish. They were aiming for a 1-2, not a 3-4.

And when Rosberg first asked to be let through, he was within 0.4 seconds, which was close enough to make a pass. He probably didn't want to risk contact and spoil both of their title campaigns. As he dropped out of DRS range, he was clearly conserving his tyres by staying out of Hamilton's turbulence, no doubt in anticipation of being let through.

Also, a year ago, Vettel took heavy criticism for ignoring orders in Malaysia. But it's okay when Hamilton does it ...

 

[mustafur]

Not comprable, because its not the start of the season and Mercedes know that both Titles will be theirs.

If Hamilton Allowed Rosberg past he would of surely finished ahead of him which when you think about it, isnt something he would of wanted.

 

[Jaywalker]

They clearly thought that, if Hamilton let Rosberg through, then Rosberg would be able to break free and build up enough of a lead such that when he pitted, he would emerge closer to Hamilton and the two could take on Alonso, probably racing one another to the finish. They were aiming for a 1-2, not a 3-4.

And when Rosberg first asked to be let through, he was within 0.4 seconds, which was close enough to make a pass. He probably didn't want to risk contact and spoil both of their title campaigns. As he dropped out of DRS range, he was clearly conserving his tyres by staying out of Hamilton's turbulence, no doubt in anticipation of being let through.

I understand that, but did they really think that Hamilton, racing for the championship, was going to slow down for Rosberg to get ahead? Toto even said that it was likely that Rosberg would have won if Hamilton had followed orders. It's not as if they desperately need the constructors points. What would you have done?