2014 United Sports Car Championship

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Also, to the credit of the series, the problems at Laguna that were causing so much heartburn, specifically around track time has been addressed. Good for the series. Unfortunately there just isn’t that much enthusiasm in the paddock. It appears as if most are resigned to the fact that what we’ve got here isn’t what they’d prefer to be seeing, but it’s all they’ve got, opportunity wise for endurance racing in North America. Earlier in the season, the paddock was vile. Now, it simply seems apathetic.


Some teams seem resigned to finishing the season out, making the most of what they’ve got and then sorting out plans from 2015 and beyond. Some teams will jump to other series, be it Pirelli World Challenge, ELMS or even the WEC. When a series is blessed with 50 car entries, they can afford a few teams to go missing and it won’t much affect the scene. But there are certain teams that they simply cannot afford to lose, presence wise. I don’t think I need to state them – you can figure them out. But some of them will be involved in shall we say – other activities at COTA. Those developments will be worthy of watching….


http://www.dailysportscar.com/2014/08/16/tuscc-road-america-wrap-up.html
 
Wow that about just says it all thanks for that @IforceV8 obviously one of those teams is Corvette Racing that they're talking about but I still would be hesitant to jump on the idea that they're leaving GTLM completely
 
That would be one h*** of a shock to TUSCC, Corvette going to WEC full time. And here I thought they were just thinking of a third car to compete in Europe and maybe be an extra contender at Le Mans...but then again I doubt they'd leave the States...fully.

Also, think that Riley wasn't just thinking of lending Vipers to GTE-Pro/Am teams in WEC? Think they're thinking what Corvette could be thinking? Also...they did like their expierence in PWC with the GT3-R...this offseason could be interesting to say the least, at least now with these bloody rumors and conspiracy theories I have in my head now. :lol:
 
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GM is in too deep with NASCAR to bail out but ESM isnt. I expect that any new P2 cars next year will use Daytona as a test for Sebring and then they will all disappear off to the WEC until the Glen 6hr.
 
It's too late now, but here's what I think IMSA should've/could've done that might've resolved these issues everyone is facing. Lots of bench-managing ahead.

  • For all non-NAEC rounds, Prototypes and GT's are separated. GTLM and GTD run their own race, while P and PC run their own races.
  • DP's and P2's have their own separate championships, and the DP's are given fewer required upgrades to retain as many DP teams as possible, with BoP slowly adjusted to bring the two closer together, thus spreading out costs for both teams over the course of the season, rather than dumping it all on them right at the start. The separate P2 championship would also be attractive to more P2 teams, especially racing with the possibility of racing in a Prototype-only series. (All references of "P" herein will refer to DP's and P2's)
  • PC is given no limit, so all of the teams that wanted to run a PC program at the start of the year, could have.
  • NAEC races will only run three of the four classes on a rotation. Daytona (P-GTLM-GTD), Sebring (P-PC-GTLM), Watkins Glen, (PC-GTLM-GTD), Petit Le Mans (P-PC-GTD). Let the controversy ensue. *** (See Alternative Below)
  • The series continues on this way until classes either shrink naturally to be combined into one series, or grow and potentially become two different "Main Events" in a single weekend of racing. CTSCC and the possible IMSA DTM would rotate as supporting programs should either the P or GT race alone.
  • In the event that the GT series was popular, GTD would be split back into GT3 and GTC, with GTC teams not being eligible to run NAEC rounds.
  • LMP3 would've been added alongside PC as a "fourth" class to the Prototypes as well, until PC is phased out, and DP/P2's are officially combined.

Alternative for NAEC Overcrowding:
  • NAEC rounds would feature all four classes.
  • In the event that a class exceeds IMSA's set limit for a track's grid capacity, the NAEC points championship and rounds become entirely separate from the non-endurance championship. These effectively makes the NAEC rounds a wholly separate championship for any class that exceeds the track limits, so teams who cannot participate in the NAEC, can still compete for the TUSC championship. If a class does not exceed the track limits (Ex: GTLM) imposed, then the NAEC points function the same way they do currently.
  • Special qualifying at the Roar before the 24 sets the field for who participates in all future over-crowded classes in the NAEC, so teams can adjust their program packages for the rest of the season. If they fail to qualify, they are not eligible to participate in NAEC rounds. This alleviates the need to have knockout qualifying at every race, which is far more costly to Sports Car teams than it is to Stock Car teams. They can adjust their program to focus only on TUSC and not the NAEC.

I would write more into detail about how these ideas work, but I'd rather open it to questions and criticisms to clarify instead. This is a forum after all.
 
I still think the BOP is a Corvette Problem. The results themselves seem to point at the BOP being in favor of that car and that car alone.
 
Or perhaps Scott Pruett is old, Memo Rojas is a pay driver, and Shank still has a Pro-am lineup?

I seem to recall Sage Karam kicking everyone's ass at Indy when Rojas was out.
 
Or perhaps Scott Pruett is old, Memo Rojas is a pay driver, and Shank still has a Pro-am lineup?

I seem to recall Sage Karam kicking everyone's ass at Indy when Rojas was out.

Apart from that run at Indy and the wins at Sebring and Long beach, they hardly have been challenging. The rileys don't even have as nearly a huge speed advantage as the Corvette.
 
Also, to the credit of the series, the problems at Laguna that were causing so much heartburn, specifically around track time has been addressed. Good for the series. Unfortunately there just isn’t that much enthusiasm in the paddock. It appears as if most are resigned to the fact that what we’ve got here isn’t what they’d prefer to be seeing, but it’s all they’ve got, opportunity wise for endurance racing in North America. Earlier in the season, the paddock was vile. Now, it simply seems apathetic.


Some teams seem resigned to finishing the season out, making the most of what they’ve got and then sorting out plans from 2015 and beyond. Some teams will jump to other series, be it Pirelli World Challenge, ELMS or even the WEC. When a series is blessed with 50 car entries, they can afford a few teams to go missing and it won’t much affect the scene. But there are certain teams that they simply cannot afford to lose, presence wise. I don’t think I need to state them – you can figure them out. But some of them will be involved in shall we say – other activities at COTA. Those developments will be worthy of watching….


http://www.dailysportscar.com/2014/08/16/tuscc-road-america-wrap-up.html
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Sounds like a lot of whining and tinfoil hat material again. Maybe DSC needs to refer to @Snaeper who actually has some thought out changes.
 
The only thing I dissagree with is prototypes only as a series. That might not work really well (Group C did, but Group C was ******* insanely awesome to watch). But that's what I had been thinking, just leave DP as lower prototype class than LMP2 (deservedly so). And actually Snaeper's secondary plan for NAEC I like more.

What might also have helped, would have been allowing straight FIA GT3 cars from the beginning,and not that stupid move of there's. International GT3 teams would be all over (and will be) the oppurtunity to dun the NAEC rounds. But thankfully the change is coming in 2016.

Question is...I don't remember PC (or LMPC) being this much trouble in the ALMS days...
 
  • For all non-NAEC rounds, Prototypes and GT's are separated. GTLM and GTD run their own race, while P and PC run their own races. Next year this would only apply to Road America and COTA since Indy is gone.If the tv time can be figured out then it would be a good idea at R.A. The schedule at a joint event like COTA w/WEC they would have to start at dawn.
  • DP's and P2's have their own separate championships, and the DP's are given fewer required upgrades to retain as many DP teams as possible, with BoP slowly adjusted to bring the two closer together, thus spreading out costs for both teams over the course of the season, rather than dumping it all on them right at the start. The separate P2 championship would also be attractive to more P2 teams, especially racing with the possibility of racing in a Prototype-only series. (All references of "P" herein will refer to DP's and P2's) 600hp vs 490hp,the BoP is a close as it will ever get time wise,the concept is flawed.Looking at the raw numbers I thought this merger would work but the difference in corner speed and acceleration is just too much. IMSA will either split the class next year and have new cars and teams or leave it the way it is and its Grand-Am 2.0 with 6 DP's,2 Mazda toaster ovens,and the DW.
  • PC is given no limit, so all of the teams that wanted to run a PC program at the start of the year, could have.Tough to do if they have a huge field at the start of the year.
  • NAEC races will only run three of the four classes on a rotation. Daytona (P-GTLM-GTD), Sebring (P-PC-GTLM), Watkins Glen, (PC-GTLM-GTD), Petit Le Mans (P-PC-GTD). Let the controversy ensue. No *** (See Alternative Below)
  • The series continues on this way until classes either shrink naturally to be combined into one series, or grow and potentially become two different "Main Events" in a single weekend of racing. CTSCC and the possible IMSA DTM would rotate as supporting programs should either the P or GT race alone. sure
  • In the event that the GT series was popular, GTD would be split back into GT3 and GTC, with GTC teams not being eligible to run NAEC rounds. GTD-Pro and GTD-Am I could see but they should be allowed to run wherever they can find the funding.
  • LMP3 would've been added alongside PC as a "fourth" class to the Prototypes as well, until PC is phased out, and DP/P2's are officially combined.No,dump the PC cars and move on to the new car when they are available.
Sounds like a lot of whining and tinfoil hat material again. Maybe DSC needs to refer to @Snaeper who actually has some thought out changes.
Really? Which part is whining and who is was wearing the tin foil hat? I must have missed something in that article.
 
But that's what I had been thinking, just leave DP as lower prototype class than LMP2 (deservedly so).
Why deservedly? Because Tube frames? Because Nascar? Because iths a conthpirathy???

I'm pretty sure the reason all the top teams have DPs was because perhaps they wanted to win overall? Not to mention OAK is only here to sell the new Ligier and will pull out the split second Tracy Krohn buys one regardless.

You really want a "top class" consisting of 2 ESM cars, and 2 Mazdas? Do ALMS fanboys actually like watching 4 car races?

Seperate points? Sure, why not? But not giving both DP and P2 a chance at the overall win js silly.
 
Why deservedly? Because Tube frames? Because Nascar? Because iths a conthpirathy???

I'm pretty sure the reason all the top teams have DPs was because perhaps they wanted to win overall? Not to mention OAK is only here to sell the new Ligier and will pull out the split second Tracy Krohn buys one regardless.

You really want a "top class" consisting of 2 ESM cars, and 2 Mazdas? Do ALMS fanboys actually like watching 4 car races?

Seperate points? Sure, why not? But not giving both DP and P2 a chance at the overall win js silly.
I should have rephrased that...I should have meant that for everyone's bloody sanity, we should have had the DP's seperate as we worked them up to LMP2 levels and then the 2017 merger of the two. If LMP2 had been left alone, we would have had:
Level 5 - 2 cars
ESM -2 cars
Deltawing (LMP2 more fitting for it) - 1 car
Muscle Milk - 1 car
Mazda - 2 cars
So the LMP2 class would have had 8 cars... :P . And the DP class around 10. We should have turned DP into something like a LMPGT.
 
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Except that Level 5 was going to leave anyway, because of Scott Tuckers legal trouble, Greg Pickett sold his whole business, and the DeltaWings characteristics make it more similar to a DP anyway (a rocket down the straights, bad in slow corners).

Level 5 didn't have to change anything, as far as I know, and they still went to GTD before quitting altogether. So I think your logic is somewhat flawed.
 
Next year this would only apply to Road America and COTA since Indy is gone.If the tv time can be figured out then it would be a good idea at R.A. The schedule at a joint event like COTA w/WEC they would have to start at dawn.

As the first paragraph of my post stated, these were changes that should've been implemented before this first season was even run. Additionally, if the grid's were large enough the schedule could've been been adjusted to have Road America, COTA and Indy as standalone rounds for either of the championships (opening the door for one of the series to potentially stay at Indy, and one or the other to run at Mid-Ohio and Barber).

DP's and P2's have their own separate championships, and the DP's are given fewer required upgrades to retain as many DP teams as possible, with BoP slowly adjusted to bring the two closer together, thus spreading out costs for both teams over the course of the season, rather than dumping it all on them right at the start. The separate P2 championship would also be attractive to more P2 teams, especially racing with the possibility of racing in a Prototype-only series. (All references of "P" herein will refer to DP's and P2's) 600hp vs 490hp,the BoP is a close as it will ever get time wise,the concept is flawed. Looking at the raw numbers I thought this merger would work but the difference in corner speed and acceleration is just too much. IMSA will either split the class next year and have new cars and teams or leave it the way it is and its Grand-Am 2.0 with 6 DP's,2 Mazda toaster ovens,and the DW.

I don't feel like you're responding to what I've written at this point. It's clear that the DP's may not have needed as many upgrades as they were given (if anything, I'd love to see the Corvette's go back to a 5-speed gearbox, which would no doubt have saved a lot of money and kept DP/P2 teams even more competitive). Had IMSA just bit the bullet and kept the two separate, with the goal of slowly balancing them to be closer and closer, they could've seen that it wouldn't have worked out. Bottom line is, both classes would still be competing for overall wins, but wouldn't have to directly race against each other. Either could've won the Prototype overall championship, while the other wins it's class championship, and it rotates between the two until they're both merged with the future Prototype regulations.

Tough to do if they have a huge field at the start of the year.

Explain this, I don't understand what you mean. By running either of my proposed NAEC methods I had listed below, huge fields wouldn't be a problem for any race aside from the NAEC events, which still would've been settled.


You're right, suddenly adding two additional endurance races to all the teams schedules is far less abusive than only adding one.

GTD-Pro and GTD-Am I could see but they should be allowed to run wherever they can find the funding.

While I agree with you, allow me to explain my reasoning. The majority of the teams participating in GTD at the moment were used to, and quite happy with, running a spec car. The only reason GTD is as big as it is comes down to the affordability of the Porsche GT-America, which the majority of the former GTC teams purchased. Costing around half the price of most GT3 cars, it was easy for GTC teams to hop on the band wagon. But I don't see GTD keeping it's grid numbers up when those teams are forced to go from a $200,000 car to a $400,000 car, unless the 991 GT3-R is very competitively priced. So opening GTC back up seems like the best idea, unless you force GTD-Am to run used GT3 machinery in an attempt to help keep costs low by buying pre-owned and/or older spec GT3 cars. So if most of the teams could only find funding for a GTC car... then you make a class for them. Why not have three classes in the GT championship?

No,dump the PC cars and move on to the new car when they are available.

That's just not considerate thinking. I see no need to shove a middle finger in the face of teams that just bought PC cars all because a newer formula is out that we don't even know will be better. If my concept of separating the Prototypes and GT cars had been implemented, it'd be even more exciting in my opinion to have one of the only racing series in the world where four different specs of prototype cars all run at the same time.

The only thing I disagree with is prototypes only as a series. That might not work really well (Group C did, but Group C was ******* insanely awesome to watch). But that's what I had been thinking, just leave DP as lower prototype class than LMP2 (deservedly so). And actually Snaeper's secondary plan for NAEC I like more.

I did not intend to suggest that the DP's would be treated as a lower class. They have the pro drivers, the higher car counts, the larger manufacturer support. Those cars should get treated as the premier class. I merely meant that DP's and P2's should've had more time to develop racing alongside each other, remaining as separate classes to encourage more P2 teams to try out the series, and DP teams to stick around.

And really, why wouldn't a Prototype-only series work? The only reason I can think of nobody doing it at the moment is because there are never enough car counts to fill a grid. But if you have 16-20 DP/P2's, 14-16 PC's and the DelatWing, you've got a pretty good grid to not need GT cars to supplement it. And it gives more air time to the two-three classes, rather than trying to cram the goings-on of four classes into a single broadcast. Same goes for GT, which is even better because now all of those high-dollar manufacturer programs in what is easily the best GTE series in the world are front and center for everyone to see.

What might also have helped, would have been allowing straight FIA GT3 cars from the beginning,and not that stupid move of there's. International GT3 teams would be all over (and will be) the oppurtunity to dun the NAEC rounds. But thankfully the change is coming in 2016.

No, as much as I hate that we don't have full GT3 cars, I know exactly why GTD happened the way it did, and that's because of those high-dollar GTLM programs I mentioned above.

The last thing IMSA wanted to do was piss off BMW, Corvette, Dodge/SRT and Porsche by having a hot-shoe in the "lower" class out running them on half the tracks due to how close GT3 and GTE specs currently are. I believe the Asian Le Mans series had quite a few occurrences of the GT3 and GTE cars racing hard against each other. They could afford to do that, of course, since there weren't any factory programs to lose running in GTE.

Question is...I don't remember PC (or LMPC) being this much trouble in the ALMS days...

Because that was before DP teams were expanding or jumping ship seeking PC as a lifeboat that ended up being forcibly made small enough so as not to fit everyone.[/QUOTE]
 
Except that Level 5 was going to leave anyway, because of Scott Tuckers legal trouble, Greg Pickett sold his whole business, and the DeltaWings characteristics make it more similar to a DP anyway (a rocket down the straights, bad in slow corners).

Level 5 didn't have to change anything, as far as I know, and they still went to GTD before quitting altogether. So I think your logic is somewhat flawed.
Never know. Pickett *might* have stayed, and the Deltawing actually does fit in with the LMP2's decently.

The Deltawing also has that classic Don Panoz trait of breaking down every two minutes.
 
Never know. Pickett *might* have stayed, and the Deltawing actually does fit in with the LMP2's decently.

The fact that he had to sell his business after buying a Cheaper LMP2 car seems to tell me that even if he decided to keep at it full time, he was still going to be leaving anyway. The layoffs of staff seems to indicate problems with the budget of the team and less with the series itself.

As for Level 5, lets be honest: Scott Tucker's real reason for leaving had more to do with the sudden stoppage of his money train and the fact that the jig was finally up. He would've stayed otherwise regardless of the BOP.
 
Never know. Pickett *might* have stayed, and the Deltawing actually does fit in with the LMP2's decently.
He sold his business and pulled out of everything. He wasn't gonna stay no matter what.

The Delta wing fits in about as much as a cross dresser at a tractor pull appearance wise :lol: If there were 4 or 5 Delta wings that were competitive, they would have just as much disparity between it and the LMP2 as the DPs have looking at data from this season
 
And really, why wouldn't a Prototype-only series work? The only reason I can think of nobody doing it at the moment is because there are never enough car counts to fill a grid. But if you have 16-20 DP/P2's, 14-16 PC's and the DelatWing, you've got a pretty good grid to not need GT cars to supplement it. And it gives more air time to the two-three classes, rather than trying to cram the goings-on of four classes into a single broadcast. Same goes for GT, which is even better because now all of those high-dollar manufacturer programs in what is easily the best GTE series in the world are front and center for everyone to see.
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A Prototype only series wouldn't work because it would be 🤬. I just can't bring myself to care about DPs, they're utterly uninspiring. The only team in P that I don't dislike is Oak, the rest I could care less about. Also, prototypes don't look near as impressive when there's no GT cars on track.

Although if it meant a GT only series, count me in! The best GTE racing in the world, combined with an excellent GTD class and some of the best racetracks in North America would be one of the best series in the world.
 
A Prototype only series wouldn't work because it would be 🤬. I just can't bring myself to care about DPs, they're utterly uninspiring. The only team in P that I don't dislike is Oak, the rest I could care less about. Also, prototypes don't look near as impressive when there's no GT cars on track.

Although if it meant a GT only series, count me in! The best GTE racing in the world, combined with an excellent GTD class and some of the best racetracks in North America would be one of the best series in the world.
I know this is crazy, but I would love to see a GT3 only series running short oval tracks. That would be a blast to watch.

I think a prototype only series would be awesome. We've seen the close racing that the IMSA Prototypes have had. They could cover more of that race rather than plugging manufacturers in the GTLM class because that race hasn't always been that stellar. It's been great at times, but GTD has been by far a better class all season imo
 
cnd01 please tell me you meant a GT3 series with a schedule like Indycar? Otherwise...no...just...no.

A GT only series of GTE, and GT3 would dominate the world. :drool: IMSA should have done that. :lol:
 
I know this is crazy, but I would love to see a GT3 only series running short oval tracks. That would be a blast to watch.

I think a prototype only series would be awesome. We've seen the close racing that the IMSA Prototypes have had. They could cover more of that race rather than plugging manufacturers in the GTLM class because that race hasn't always been that stellar. It's been great at times, but GTD has been by far a better class all season imo
Haha GT3 on short ovals would be great! Why isn't this a thing?

I'm just not a fan of the TUSC P class, it doesn't interest me at all. I really tried to get into it after Sebring, but it just can't hold my interest.

I really like what they've done with GTD this season. The racing has been fantastic, and really clean. Sometimes its hard to tell that it's a Pro-Am class. But while both GTD and GTLM have been great, the BOP adjustments have been tough to understand at times. If they got that sorted out, it could be even better.
 
As the first paragraph of my post stated, these were changes that should've been implemented before this first season was even run. Additionally, if the grid's were large enough the schedule could've been been adjusted to have Road America, COTA and Indy as standalone rounds for either of the championships (opening the door for one of the series to potentially stay at Indy, and one or the other to run at Mid-Ohio and Barber).

Maybe Indy works if they have a dual round with the WEC,the NASCAR split weekend thing was a stupid idea.They should be at Barber,its a great track.Mid-Ohio seems content with taking the Nationwide check so unless Honda writes a big check it might be some time before they return.



I don't feel like you're responding to what I've written at this point. It's clear that the DP's may not have needed as many upgrades as they were given (if anything, I'd love to see the Corvette's go back to a 5-speed gearbox, which would no doubt have saved a lot of money and kept DP/P2 teams even more competitive). Had IMSA just bit the bullet and kept the two separate, with the goal of slowly balancing them to be closer and closer, they could've seen that it wouldn't have worked out. Bottom line is, both classes would still be competing for overall wins, but wouldn't have to directly race against each other. Either could've won the Prototype overall championship, while the other wins it's class championship, and it rotates between the two until they're both merged with the future Prototype regulations.

Yeah I did,split the class or watch it die like ALMS LMP1 did.



Explain this, I don't understand what you mean. By running either of my proposed NAEC methods I had listed below, huge fields wouldn't be a problem for any race aside from the NAEC events, which still would've been settled.


Honestly I dont see car count being an issue for the next 3 years,sorry. I could see fringe teams having to earn their way and in turn shoring up the bottom of the field. No more guys entering like that clown at Sebring who did a u-turn in the middle of the track buying his way in.



You're right, suddenly adding two additional endurance races to all the teams schedules is far less abusive than only adding one.
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While I agree with you, allow me to explain my reasoning. The majority of the teams participating in GTD at the moment were used to, and quite happy with, running a spec car. The only reason GTD is as big as it is comes down to the affordability of the Porsche GT-America, which the majority of the former GTC teams purchased. Costing around half the price of most GT3 cars, it was easy for GTC teams to hop on the band wagon. But I don't see GTD keeping it's grid numbers up when those teams are forced to go from a $200,000 car to a $400,000 car, unless the 991 GT3-R is very competitively priced. So opening GTC back up seems like the best idea, unless you force GTD-Am to run used GT3 machinery in an attempt to help keep costs low by buying pre-owned and/or older spec GT3 cars. So if most of the teams could only find funding for a GTC car... then you make a class for them. Why not have three classes in the GT championship?

2 full seasons out the 911GTA is pretty good for the cost,and they wont be hard to sell off. Maybe Porsche will run a 0%-72 month sale and a trade-in bonus cash offer when the new GT3 car comes out.;)



That's just not considerate thinking. I see no need to shove a middle finger in the face of teams that just bought PC cars all because a newer formula is out that we don't even know will be better. If my concept of separating the Prototypes and GT cars had been implemented, it'd be even more exciting in my opinion to have one of the only racing series in the world where four different specs of prototype cars all run at the same time. The FLM09 car is tired and its time for the open top cars to go away,move forward or die. IMSA has enough trouble getting the BoP right with what it has now,trying to fit even more cars in is trouble they dont need.

The only chance this series has is to evolve away from the merger as quick as they can and become something better.4 classes are fine,Pro and Am P classifications in the new world spec P2 car with I hope several engine options,production based to keep costs down.LMP3 class should be AM only,and under $300K. The new GTE/LM spec factory backed class with drivers who are actually paid and the GT3/D whatever they will call it with Pro/Am classifications. To keep the arms race in check they need to keep the factory efforts away from the P/GT3/D classes. Limited support but we dont need Dr.Ullrich in the pits like they had at the Blancpain Spa 24hr.

Also bring back the safety team, fix the terrible TV production, less NASCAR yellows,fire MRN,etc etc.To put it in perspective where TUSCC is at in the TV market,Mid-Ohio Indycar race had a rating of .2/386k viewers.The last 3 rounds of TUSCC were .1/62K, .1/103k, and .1/78k. ESPN could match those FS1 numbers if they put a slide show of Johnny football on the screen for 3 hrs.

On second thought they need to start with all of this and then we can worry about having too many cars,staying the current path and they will be paying people to race like the Grand-Am days.
 
Ford should make their DP resemble a GT. :D
I agree. I think HPD should get a body kit together for Starworks too. Corvette and Ford DPs are the best looking prototypes out there right now already imo. The branding is gt1 esque and a great idea
 
I agree. I think HPD should get a body kit together for Starworks too. Corvette and Ford DPs are the best looking prototypes out there right now already imo. The branding is gt1 esque and a great idea
Well the Ford needs some more zing on the nose and tail. But I'd totally be fine with these things if they looked like GT1 cars lol. Basically it could be coming to like GT1/LMPGT vs LMP900/1 again before they basically started to merge...actually just as DP and LMP2 will lol.

Like I said before...should have kept LMP2 and DP separate to make DP into GT1 lol. Eh, basically could be coming to that. I wonder what the new Corvette bodywork will look like. :drool:
 
I more or less figured the Corvette DPs were due for a bodywork revision after I saw the Spirit of Daytona car sporting some slight visual cues in the Headlights (not to mention the updated badging on all of the Corvette DPs as well). This does inspire me to attempt some photoshop to see how it'd look.
 
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