2014 United Sports Car Championship

[freshseth83]

This isnt some club racing series, these cars are sophisticated machines and TC doesn't stop mistakes. When I said combine GTE and GT3, I meant in their own unique way make a new GT class, but they can't because they don't have the following to do their own thing. The teams like Corvette in GTE want the LeMans link, thats why they're "following" the lead in Europe. But they are not combining the two GT classes in Europe.

Read here, https://www.dailysportscar.com/?p=9912 seems the rumors of LMP1 in America wont go away. And in that article you see that Porsche indeed planned on running their new car in ALMS. Along with a new Pikett HPD, Dyson and probably Audi. Thats for the guys claiming there was/is no interest in lmp1 in America.

 

[01GTP]

The APR guys bragged that it doesn't take much to alter the cars to another spec, it's only about a days work apparently.

As it is, Atherton said, 94 percent of the cars that have been competing in ALMS and Grand-Am will be able to compete in the new combined series with minimal changes.

 

[cnd01]

This isnt some club racing series, these cars are sophisticated machines and TC doesn't stop mistakes. When I said combine GTE and GT3, I meant in their own unique way make a new GT class, but they can't because they don't have the following to do their own thing. The teams like Corvette in GTE want the LeMans link, thats why they're "following" the lead in Europe. But they are not combining the two GT classes in Europe.

Read here, https://www.dailysportscar.com/?p=9912 seems the rumors of LMP1 in America wont go away. And in that article you see that Porsche indeed planned on running their new car in ALMS. Along with a new Pikett HPD, Dyson and probably Audi. Thats for the guys claiming there was/is no interest in lmp1 in America.

There isn't interest. This is re-surfaced rumors from Sebring being used to get attention and stir the pot. You have to be off your rocker to think that this worthless article is anywhere close to true. You're so late on news. Dyson has gone on a grand am podcast and said that he supports the USCR. Plus, they're already evaluating a P2 program. Pickett hasn't said a word, so you seem to know that he will be factory HPD. Roger penske signed the license to race. It didn't say in the article he signed the license "to compete in America." The article never says that Porsche planned on running their car in the alms either, and if they did, they're too late to change anything.

 

[freshseth83]

There isn't interest. This is re-surfaced rumors from Sebring being used to get attention and stir the pot. You have to be off your rocker to think that this worthless article is anywhere close to true. You're so late on news. Dyson has gone on a grand am podcast and said that he supports the USCR. Plus, they're already evaluating a P2 program. Pickett hasn't said a word, so you seem to know that he will be factory HPD. Roger penske signed the license to race. It didn't say in the article he signed the license "to compete in America." The article never says that Porsche planned on running their car in the alms either, and if they did, they're too late to change anything.

So Porsche and Penske are lying according to your logic. Who to believe? A reputed journalist with close ties to the teams, or cnd on gtp? 💡

HPD have a brand new car for 2014s regs, this year's cars are not allowed. 1+1=2. Dyson (AER) are preparing a new engine (not for DP/LMP2), and are in talks with lmp1 chassis constructors. I guess it's unfathomable for Dyson to run in both series. Oh, wait. Ganassi (also NEWLY rumored) runs in both series (Indy/GA). Penske and Porsche were going to run lmp1 in 2014s ALMS, this has been linked to previously and you still deny it. I'm "late on the news" but the rumor is from this past weekend Did you even read the story? When this LMP1 breakaway series was rumored before, did anything about joining IndyCar come up? No. Further research shows that HPD have a new engine related to the- get this- IndyCar V6! Hmm, HPD in lmp1 in America with shared technology from IndyCar, in America. That can't possibly be, right, cnd on gtp?

 

[cnd01]

So Porsche and Penske are lying according to your logic. Who to believe? A reputed journalist with close ties to the teams, or cnd on gtp? 💡

This "reputable journalist" is reporting what he/she Wants to happen rather than what Is likely to happen.

What if penske did sign said license and plans to race said car in the wec I never said he didn't sign the license

 

[freshseth83]

Seriously? You're a joker, kid. First line in the article...

We don’t generally deal in rumour-mongering here but let’s file this under the category of a rumour that just won’t go away…

"reporting what he wants to happen..." You just pulled that out of air. Penske has no say to run in the WEC. The Porsche factory itself will! Get the facts straight.

 

[cnd01]

Seriously? You're a joker, kid. First line in the article...

"reporting what he wants to happen..." You just pulled that out of air. Penske has no say to run in the WEC. The Porsche factory itself will! Get the facts straight.

That article was pulled from the nether-regions of the author's hindquarters after about the first or second paragraph.

But, since you're so sure about how this will happen, let's get the silly season started!

Teams:
Porsche
MMPR
possibly Toyota
Possibly Audi
Possibly Oreca

All races will be run as a sideshow for the IZOD IndyCar series!!!!

Tracks: well, since the USCR is taking Daytona, Sebring, Watkins Glen, and Road Atlanta, there won't be any historic endurance races for this series. I guess Audi won't be racing as they market on winning the big ones. COTA and Gilles Villeneuve are out of the question because if they are racing with IndyCar, Cota and Gilles Villeneuve won't allow it because if an IndyCar crosses the property line of either, both tracks can kiss their f1 race goodbye. Boy, the 12 hours of St. Pete is going to be a hell of a race!

Plus, there is no Gt class announced to be used as a crutch when one LMP1 (inevitably) dominates the races.

What a great idea!

 

[freshseth83]

That article was pulled from the nether-regions of the author's hindquarters after about the first or second paragraph.

But, since you're so sure about how this will happen, let's get the silly season started!

Teams:
Porsche
MMPR
possibly Toyota
Possibly Audi
Possibly Oreca

All races will be run as a sideshow for the IZOD IndyCar series!!!!

Tracks: well, since the USCR is taking Daytona, Sebring, Watkins Glen, and Road Atlanta, there won't be any historic endurance races for this series. I guess Audi won't be racing as they market on winning the big ones. COTA and Gilles Villeneuve are out of the question because if they are racing with IndyCar, Cota and Gilles Villeneuve won't allow it because if an IndyCar crosses the property line of either, both tracks can kiss their f1 race goodbye. Boy, the 12 hours of St. Pete is going to be a hell of a race!

Plus, there is no Gt class announced to be used as a crutch when one LMP1 (inevitably) dominates the races.

What a great idea!

You don't know what you're talking about. When you know who the writers of dailysportscar articles are, come back and then maybe you'll be worth replying to.

 

[jjaisli]

Seriously? You're a joker, kid. First line in the article...

We don’t generally deal in rumour-mongering here but let’s file this under the category of a rumour that just won’t go away…

Well, that settles it. It must be a fact. And yet you have the audacity to call somebody else a joker.

Until there are direct quotes from Audi, Porsche & Greg Pickett, this is nothing but a bunch of BS.

 

[cnd01]

well, that settles it. It must be a fact. And yet you have the audacity to call somebody else a joker.

Until there are direct quotes from audi, porsche & greg pickett, this is nothing but a bunch of bs.

+1

 

[LancerEvo7]

if they are racing with IndyCar, Cota and Gilles Villeneuve won't allow it because if an IndyCar crosses the property line of either, both tracks can kiss their f1 race goodbye.

ChampCar and F1 raced at Gilles Villenuve from '02 to '06. IRL and F1 raced at Indy from '00 to '07.

 

[cnd01]

ChampCar and F1 raced at Gilles Villenuve from '02 to '06. IRL and F1 raced at Indy from '00 to '07.

Notice they haven't been there in 6 years. I highly doubt Bernie would allow them back...

 

[polarbear345]

Notice they haven't been there in 6 years. I highly doubt Bernie would allow them back...

Champ car kinda ran out about 6 years ago...

 

[cnd01]

Champ car kinda ran out about 6 years ago...

Notice I said 6 instead of 7

 

[Roger the Horse]

COTA and Gilles Villeneuve are out of the question because if they are racing with IndyCar, Cota and Gilles Villeneuve won't allow it because if an IndyCar crosses the property line of either, both tracks can kiss their f1 race goodbye.

Yes. Formula One Management completely cares when non-rival series race at the tracks they race at during different times of the year...

 

[cnd01]

Yes. F1 completely cares about who else races at the tracks they race at during different times of the year...

Remember when IndyCar or CART or whatever it was called was going to schedule races overseas...

 

[Roger the Horse]

Remember when IndyCar or CART or whatever it was called was going to schedule races overseas...

That's a different matter. In places such as Europe they may be protective of Formula One, as it is THE BIGGEST series. But they know full well that in the US F1 is just a sideshow to NASCAR and the Indy 500, so I highly doubt they'd have any reason to be particularly protective...

 

[cnd01]

That's a different matter. In places such as Europe they may be protective of Formula One, as it is THE BIGGEST series. But they know full well that in the US F1 is just a sideshow to NASCAR and the Indy 500, so I highly doubt they'd have any reason to be particularly protective...

We could make the argument that all racing in America is a sideshow to NASCAR even though I don't particularly like saying it.

American sports car racing has a lot of past failures to look back on as well as a pretty 🤬 up merger example done by IndyCar recently.

If we look back to the IMSA GTP days, we see big tobacco pouring lots of funding into series. We see sponsors on cars that are very familiar back then like Coke, Red Lobster, Applebees, etc. Today, 9 of 10 prototypes in America are sponsored by either A.) A company owned by the team owner B.) A company owned by or sponsoring a driver in the car C.) The state of Florida or D.) A south American country. We can argue all day long about what the proper route is, but until we see a very large corporate prescence, (by very large I mean NASCAR sized) sports car racing will never be sustainable unless keeping costs down is the upmost priority of the series. Otherwise, the state of the economy for automakers and how many bored rich people there are will pretty much determine how well sports car racing does. The USCR has made some decent steps toward that direction, but that's not going to work if they don't get off their keisters.

 

[freshseth83]

Well, that settles it. It must be a fact. And yet you have the audacity to call somebody else a joker.

Until there are direct quotes from Audi, Porsche & Greg Pickett, this is nothing but a bunch of BS.

Wrong. He said in the first line, we dont dig into rumors, but according to cnd he came up with it out his ass No one said the rumors were fact there, bud. But to insinuate that Graham came up with this rumor or is pushing it because thats what he wants to see is a joke, like the poster thinking such.

 

[cnd01]

This "reputable journalist" is reporting what he/she Wants to happen rather than what Is likely to happen.

What if penske did sign said license and plans to race said car in the wec I never said he didn't sign the license

That article was pulled from the nether-regions of the author's hindquarters after about the first or second paragraph.

Wrong. He said in the first line, we dont dig into rumors, but according to cnd he came up with it out his ass No one said the rumors were fact there, bud. But to insinuate that Graham came up with this rumor or is pushing it because thats what he wants to see is a joke, like the poster thinking such.

Let's look at what I said before you hack on me Seth.

Back to the real discussion. A recent racer magazine article puts Dyson in a p2 with different drivers than their current p1. I could see them racing Le Mans maybe in 2015 if they really wanted to. Dyson has said that his focus is on the USCR though.

 

[freshseth83]

I can read, thanks. First it was "youre late" and this rumor is old. Then you changed your tune when I brought up the Indy linkage and switched it up saying he came up with this story like he has something to gain.

 

[cnd01]

I can read, thanks. First it was "youre late" and this rumor is old. Then you changed your tune when I brought up the Indy linkage and switched it up saying he came up with this story like he has something to gain.

The rumor has been around since Sebring...

I think he does have something to gain. It's kinda his job to write articles that create a response...

 

[hawkeye122]

Guys, can we stick to facts on the ground, and polite speculation, rather than what i perceive as two grown people arguing about something which doesnt yet exist...

 

[Snaeper]

Driver Ratings Emerge

• Prototype and GTLM classes are the only ones unrestricted.
• PC and GTD can have a combo of one Gold and Platinum.
• Platinum, Gold, Silver and Bronze are the ratings.
• Minimum two drivers, maximum three for normal events.
• 12 Hour events are restricted to four drivers, 24 hour is restricted to five.

No mention of GX, so it's pretty much officially combined with GTD. Looks like only four classes will exist, so we'll likely see the Deltawing, DP and P2 racing together.

 

[cnd01]

Driver Ratings Emerge


[*]Prototype and GTLM classes are the only ones unrestricted.
[*]PC and GTD can have a combo of one Gold and Platinum.
[*]Platinum, Gold, Silver and Bronze are the ratings.
[*]Minimum two drivers, maximum three for normal events.
[*]12 Hour events are restricted to four drivers, 24 hour is restricted to five.


No mention of GX, so it's pretty much officially combined with GTD. Looks like only four classes will exist, so we'll likely see the Deltawing, DP and P2 racing together.

I like the pit procedure. Good stuff. I would've rather seen only 1 pro-am class, but I'm super glad the P class isn't.

 

[hawkeye122]

No Am requirement for P2 pretty much deals their fate. Unless you find a top-flight pay driver, I reckon P2 will fall by the wayside.

 

[cnd01]

No Am requirement for P2 pretty much deals their fate. Unless you find a top-flight pay driver, I reckon P2 will fall by the wayside.

Well, Guy Cosmo is considered an am, and L5 uses ST for both cars, so I can see at least two carrying over. Plus Dyson has his sights set on a USCR P2.

 

[hawkeye122]

Fair, I concede, and modify my point to be no NEW p2 teams

 

[cnd01]

Fair, I concede, and modify my point to be no NEW p2 teams

Yea I certainly agree. Some of the top DP teams are pro-am though. It's not impossible, but I don't see any new teams either.

 

[Sam48]

I like the pit procedure. Good stuff.

For sure. Glad to see they've gotten rid of the old fashioned 5 lug-nut wheels, and I'm also glad they went ALMS's direction with suspended air and fuel hoses as well.