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nice development of Mercedes
Or the baby Red Bull (yeah yeah for our Max
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Or the baby Red Bull (yeah yeah for our Max
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'Bout the only angle you can look at that car and not throw up in your mouth a little.
G-Drive are going to be like a Hollywood celeb this year - "only photograph me from my good side, no profile shots no profile shots!!"
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To be fair I think the Mclaren looks really good with the black-white accents as well as the orange. It's just so refreshing to see a Mclaren with a bit of colour, especially orange.
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I actually have no problem distinguishing between the Merc powered cars and the Renault powered cars. The Renault lump seems to have a slightly deeper engine note than the Mercedes. And then you have both the Honda and Ferrari units that have that characteristic off-throttle sputtering. I'd say it's more diverse now than it's been in ages.
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Well for one, the year you've picked has three different engines, 1997/1998 I believe is when everyone was mandated to run V10 only. So yeah it's easy to tell the Ferrari V12 from the Peugeot V10 from the Cosworth-Ford V8s. Cause they're diffent engine configurations, running at different powers.
I have an issue with people constantly complaining as if to say "back in my day", no one other than that person really cares, Motorsports is always transitioning. To me it's like someone who gets mad that DTM is no longer V8s and only got into the series when it was such. But a person who watched it during it's golden years wonders why said person is crying about V8s being gone. F1 now is no different the engines sound like a refined version of the last turbo era, and they're most likely more quiet on broadcast due to innovations in that area as well. Also because of the redirection of energy into the hybrid systems as well. I mean it improves the performance of the car at the cost of sound but so what, the cars are faster and the return to manufactures is better.
As for seperate sounds Merc has always been distinguishable from it's competition, they usually have a higher note than the others. I'd say the Renault had a slightly higher one during the V8 era, but you could still tell a Mercedes from others.
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Or the baby Red Bull (yeah yeah for our Max
Why do I suddenly get the urge to play wipeout looking at this?
The cars look awesome and fast. The sound issue could be dealt with by upping the rev limit (and fuel flow) and reducing the amount of gears available. So the cars would rev higher and sit at those high revs for longer.
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I'd say just up the rev limit a little, as you can tell (or at least I can) just before they change up, the engine note starts to really into it's own. Currently the cars rev up to 13000rpm(?) if I'm not mistaken, so an increase to 15000rpm would be ideal, as I'd imagine you'd hear more of a 'growl' from the V6 unit.
Otherwise I'm perfectly happy with them for now, plus they're much more distinguishable than they have been for a while, can certainly tell which unit is a Ferrari or a Honda for example.
Otherwise I'm perfectly happy with them for now, plus they're much more distinguishable than they have been for a while, can certainly tell which unit is a Ferrari or a Honda for example.
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This is true and I still maintain that you can hear the difference between a Mercedes-Benz V10, a Ferrari V10, a Honda V10, a Peugeot V10, a Ford-Cosworth V10 or a BMW V10 from whichever year of your choosing of the 1998-2005 V10 era.
It is far easier to do so with those engines than the ones we have now.
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Eh at some point it isn't that easy, cause everyone switched to pneumatic valves and were limited to the same redline and various other things that equalized, so it then became a deal of exhaust set ups. Like an RBR in 2009 didn't have the same exhaust out lay as the Renault or that year.
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The rev limit is currently 15,000. It's just that the fuel flow limit is 100kg an hour. That, and to keep them reliable and long lasting, they're optimized to run at their best around the 12-13,000 range anyway.
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I mean technically you're right, the FIA set up rules to where the max rev limit was never going to be met. If the cars got to run at true 15000 rpm which I suspect is what they do run at start up tests we hear and see over the winter, then noise wouldn't be so complained about. However, you can't have all of this limitation and have other things. It's either one or the other.
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100%, agreed, the limit is set higher to allow for that 'lee-way' as you stated, and unfortunately we can't have it all perfect such is life (not that it's an issue), just thought they'd sound better at higher RPM's, but then again most engines do, or at least I think so
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Teams say that fears about overtaking are justified:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/128286/drivers-say-overtaking-fears-are-justified
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/128286/drivers-say-overtaking-fears-are-justified
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Exactly what we were warned about since June last year, every time a reporter got bored with the on track action and wanted to romanticize this year's rules. I think the best thing to come of the rules is the tires to create more mechanical grip, and the return to 2008 like aero rules to have a better looking car. The combination is great, but anyone thinking that you could have MORE aero, and some how get better racing than the past few years with less...yeah you might want to not play the lottery ever.
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Why am I not surprised.
Also, Lewis ran 73 laps for a best of 1:21:765
Meanwhile, Ricciardo gets a total of 4 laps thanks to a sensor failure but still manages to post a 1:22:926
I'm seriously hoping Mercedes & the rest are worried about the potential of the #3 Red Bull
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Ricciardo did 50, after the lunch break the car was doing laps.Why am I not surprised.
Also, Lewis ran 73 laps for a best of 1:21:765
Meanwhile, Ricciardo gets a total of 4 laps thanks to a sensor failure but still manages to post a 1:22:926
I'm seriously hoping Mercedes & the rest are worried about the potential of the #3 Red Bull
Also times mean nothing, especially considering all times are not much faster then what was done in qualifying last year, these cars should be seconds faster plus the cold conditions should make the times alot faster on top of that, so what they running fuel wise is a complete mystery, my bet is that most if not all of the grid can do a faster time then what Lewis did if they tried.
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Why am I not surprised.
Also, Lewis ran 73 laps for a best of 1:21:765
Meanwhile, Ricciardo gets a total of 4 laps thanks to a sensor failure but still manages to post a 1:22:926
I'm seriously hoping Mercedes & the rest are worried about the potential of the #3 Red Bull
Eh Daniel said the cars don't feel all that much faster nor was he wow'd by them, also he doesn't think Merc are showing their true speed either. Now I will disagree about "times mean nothing", that in prior years I would say times mean nothing. However, this is a new rule package and new tires meaning teams can't sandbag and hide their cards, because come race time they'll lose out compared to years where they already knew the rules, like last year.
I will say this is a shakedown test and the times and stints too look at would be those shown on the fourth day, and more importantly those times shown on the last day of test 2. That is where I expect the real pace to be known. Today was nothing more than a day to stretch the legs a bit.
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Taking off downforce back to 70's levels would be stupid. Those cars are similar in speeds to current GT3 cars, and you don't want F1 cars to be slower than all the junior categories. F1 needs to be the fastest possible, breaking lap records every year, to properly be the pinnacle of motorsport.
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Having seen them on-track, here's my rankings of the cars:
10 - Force India: from the salad fork to the boxer's nose and the whiteboard, it's almost as if Force India tried to make it horrible.
9 - Williams: the front is mildly interesting, but it is largely dull and the fins and winglets on the rear edge of the shark fin is a mess.
8 - Sauber: reasonably pretty, but largely conservative; the kind of car Sauber needed to build - but somewhat ruined by the livery (the driver number is right below the "25 Years" and they're in two different fonts).
7 - Mercedes: okay, the car is pretty ... but it's more of what we've come to expect from Mercedes; there's nothing that really captures my attention or imagination.
6 - Haas: the most prototypical of the cars; when you think of the 2017 regulations, this is probably the first thing that you would come up with.
5 - Ferrari: I'll be honest and say that Ferrari are here because there was nowhere else to put them; I don't like the SF70H, but I don't dislike it, either.
4 - Red Bull: if it looks fast, it will probably be fast, and it certainly looks fast and indeed everything that we have come to expect from Adrian Newey.
3 - Renault: it's nice, and definitely something that should see them move up the grid - plus it helps that it has a livery that accentuates the shape of the car (but the livery loses points for having the name Palmer in it).
2 - Toro Rosso: it might be similar to Mercedes, but I have ranked the Toro Rosso five places higher because those similarities represent a real step forward - and endorsement - for them.
1 - McLaren: let's be honest - it's a McLaren and I'm a McLaren fan; they could have made something that made the Force India look beautiful by comparison and I'd still love it.
10 - Force India: from the salad fork to the boxer's nose and the whiteboard, it's almost as if Force India tried to make it horrible.
9 - Williams: the front is mildly interesting, but it is largely dull and the fins and winglets on the rear edge of the shark fin is a mess.
8 - Sauber: reasonably pretty, but largely conservative; the kind of car Sauber needed to build - but somewhat ruined by the livery (the driver number is right below the "25 Years" and they're in two different fonts).
7 - Mercedes: okay, the car is pretty ... but it's more of what we've come to expect from Mercedes; there's nothing that really captures my attention or imagination.
6 - Haas: the most prototypical of the cars; when you think of the 2017 regulations, this is probably the first thing that you would come up with.
5 - Ferrari: I'll be honest and say that Ferrari are here because there was nowhere else to put them; I don't like the SF70H, but I don't dislike it, either.
4 - Red Bull: if it looks fast, it will probably be fast, and it certainly looks fast and indeed everything that we have come to expect from Adrian Newey.
3 - Renault: it's nice, and definitely something that should see them move up the grid - plus it helps that it has a livery that accentuates the shape of the car (but the livery loses points for having the name Palmer in it).
2 - Toro Rosso: it might be similar to Mercedes, but I have ranked the Toro Rosso five places higher because those similarities represent a real step forward - and endorsement - for them.
1 - McLaren: let's be honest - it's a McLaren and I'm a McLaren fan; they could have made something that made the Force India look beautiful by comparison and I'd still love it.
At this point, I have to wonder if it's worth considering making Formula One a spec series. I know that the idea would be phenomenally unpopular (and that the teams would likely fight it hard), but at this point the sport looks like it can have competitive racing or a developmental war, but not both.
Indeed. Despite the overhaul of the regulations, the times did not reflect the pre-season projections. Kimi Räikkönen's outright lap record is a 1:21.670, while Hamilton's pole time from last year was a 1:22.000 flat. Granted, there is only so much time that can be found, but Hamilton's fastest time was less than a quarter of a second faster than his pole time.
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So Mercedes are now running a double decker t-wing with no shark fin
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Honestly, it looks like a television aerial.
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Which is what I thought it did originally and nick-named it the antenna myself, now it's worse.
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It's appropriate because Hamilton and Bottas could probably pull over to the side, catch up on "Game of Thrones", and still win.
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It probably hooks directly into the LED on the steering wheel
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Whatever saw the McLaren grind to a halt has been fixed, and Vandoorne is back out on the track.
Meanwhile, Honda think that yesterday's woes were down to the design of the new oil tank:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/128288/honda-suspects-oil-tank-caused-problems
Meanwhile, Honda think that yesterday's woes were down to the design of the new oil tank:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/128288/honda-suspects-oil-tank-caused-problems
