2017 F1 Constructor technical info/developmentFormula 1

[JC_Dude]

Oooh, boy!

 

[jm79]

At testing in bcn now - just seen the McLaren finally out (it looks awesome)

Not sure whether this is a bad thing, but it sounds noticeably different than the rest...

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Not sure whether this is a bad thing, but it sounds noticeably different than the rest...

It always has.

 

[jm79]

It always has.

Fair enough - my first time seeing F1 in the flesh!

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Fair enough - my first time seeing F1 in the flesh!

It was noticeable even on television. I believe Martin Brundle described it as sounding like a washing machine full of rocks.

 

[Michelin Man]

I like it, very distinctive, especially the rumble/crackling it makes off throttle and in low speed corners.

 

[Fryto]

View attachment 630790 And the Mclaren is already broken in the 2nd day of testing.

They should adopt the Merc T-wing. That way two more people can push the car away every time it breaks down....

 

[catamount39]

They should adopt the Merc T-wing. That way two more people can push the car away every time it breaks down....

Correction, so Alonso has somewhere to lounge once the car breaks 3 laps into the race.

Honda is definitely the "power of dreams" alright, the power of the dreams of its sleeping drivers as they wait for the race to finish after their Honda engine breaks. Vtec? More like Ztec.

 

[BrainsBush]

Do we think that e.g. Mercedes and Red Bull have to change their wheel suspension (kind of FIRC system) because of the 'complaints/questions' of Ferrari prior to the beginning of the season. FIA made an announcement about this very recently.

dutch article"http://www.f1-planet.com/index.php/fia-legt-beperkingen-wielophangingen-op/
Could not find the english version 1-2-3

 

[Fryto]

In the meanwhile, Fernando caught on camera giving some sound advice to Stoffel:

 

[JC_Dude]

Do we think that e.g. Mercedes and Red Bull have to change their wheel suspension (kind of FIRC system) because of the 'complaints/questions' of Ferrari prior to the beginning of the season. FIA made an announcement about this very recently.

dutch article"http://www.f1-planet.com/index.php/fia-legt-beperkingen-wielophangingen-op/
Could not find the english version 1-2-3

Is this the same thing in English? https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia-warns-f1-teams-over-suspension-designs-878197/

 

[catamount39]

In the meanwhile, Fernando caught on camera giving some sound advice to Stoffel:

The best thing is that the look on Stoffel's face makes it seem like Alonso actually said that.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Do we think that e.g. Mercedes and Red Bull have to change their wheel suspension (kind of FIRC system) because of the 'complaints/questions' of Ferrari prior to the beginning of the season. FIA made an announcement about this very recently.

dutch article"http://www.f1-planet.com/index.php/fia-legt-beperkingen-wielophangingen-op/
Could not find the english version 1-2-3

Not if they keep making it seem Ferrari are equally fast if not faster and a more stable car. Supposedly the Ferrari seems more planted, so if the system is good, they're doing a good job of not showing it.

 

[United6694]

Can we talk about the fact Ferrari were quicker on a slower compound?

Obviously both teams aren't at full performance, but even so that is extremely impressive and could be very worrying for others...

 

[mustafur]

Nothing is impressive unless you have the full info of what they are running: https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/...umbers---who-went-fastest--and-furthest-.html

Last year for Example Ferrari where the fastest in Barcelona Winter testing with Force india 2nd, now we know Mercedes was faster then both and Force india was not even close to 2nd fastest.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Nothing is impressive unless you have the full info of what they are running: https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/...umbers---who-went-fastest--and-furthest-.html

Last year for Example Ferrari where the fastest in Barcelona Winter testing with Force india 2nd, now we know Mercedes was faster then both and Force india was not even close to 2nd fastest.

You should be more clear about those times being from 2016... it's a shock seeing Rosberg tootling around in there!

I'd still say that a list of who ran how fast isn't that useful. We know that Ferrari normally push close-ish to their limits while Mercedes and Red Bull either sandbag or concentrate on high-load (slower-lap) runs, so all we know is that we don't really know. Analysts like Gary Anderson and Pat Symonds are probably better sources than pure data in this case, it needs interpreting by people with the experience of exactly this kind of testing.

I'll agree that distance-run is still an important indicator, cars that struggle to put in high mileage at tests generally have a stinker of a season. Even if they're orange this year.

 

[JC_Dude]

So apparetly the FIA are making checks on the suspensions and one team was ordered to make changes. Sources say that Red Bull has not been checked yet.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/128316

 

[TenEightyOne]

Team engineers were a bit more vocal, one saying the tyres were “made of stone”, and adding that this was why the cars were not as much faster than 2016 cars as expected. But if people are concerned about one-stop races, it should be easy enough to avoid them, simply by erring on the side softness when it comes to tyre choices.

Pirelli simply can't win.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Ross Brawn wants to "address" the shark fins (but it won't happen in 2017):

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/128360/brawn-wants-to-address-shark-fins

 

[[Nor]MclarenF1]

Ross Brawn wants to "address" the shark fins (but it won't happen in 2017):

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/128360/brawn-wants-to-address-shark-fins

My suggestion is killing them. With fire...

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Ross Brawn wants to "address" the shark fins (but it won't happen in 2017):

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/128360/brawn-wants-to-address-shark-fins

I agree with addressing it, but ultimately it's up to the FIA to put a stop to it, and if they feel it will help the cars be safe, then it may be here to stay.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

Here's a little animation which shows how a late edit of the regulations may have accidentally made the T-wing legal.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Here's a little animation, which shows how a late edit of the regulations may have accidentally made the T-wing legal.

The saying goes, give a millimeter to an f1 team and they'll take a kilometer. Some things never change. Good find by the way.

 

[Snaeper]

This is the unpopular opinion, but I like the shark fins.

Especially the ones that are not on a Force India car.

 

[Dylan]

This is the unpopular opinion, but I like the shark fins.

Especially the ones that are not on a Force India car.

I like them too. At least the ones that are styled. The McLaren, Williams, and Force India are boring and lazy but I love the Haas and Renault.

 

[Pete05]

Here's a little animation which shows how a late edit of the regulations may have accidentally made the T-wing legal.

Helps explain how they've appeared but I hate the shark fins & T-wings

 

[TenEightyOne]

The saying goes, give a millimeter to an f1 team and they'll take a kilometer.

I thought it was "give a millimetre to a Honda-engined car and it won't make it"...

 

[Dennisch]

Helps explain how they've appeared but I hate the shark fins & T-wings

Good thing then that Ross Brawn has said that they'll eventually will disappear again from Formula One.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Horner wants the FIA to "do something" about the shark fins (and T-wings) before Australia:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/128391/horner-wants-shark-fins-axed-before-australia

 

[Liquid]

Good thing then that Ross Brawn has said that they'll eventually will disappear again from Formula One.

But we will have the failo next year.

Also, these T-wings and shark fins are very mid to late 90s experimental:

And let's not forget the tower wings: