2017 F1 Constructor technical info/developmentFormula 1

[TenEightyOne]

The Indycars sound raspier and like they are working harder.

Of course they're working harder... they have almost half the power and they're in a heavier car, and they're pissing waste energy out into the sky. Nothing sexy about that, it's like a shouty-fat-man in a fight.

The F1's sound like they're on half throttle and short shifting.

Fast though, right? Driving in the most visually/aurally extravagant way possible isn't always the best way.

It's right but there's something missing.

It could do with more Maldonado. More Maldonado is always impressive.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Not only that but there has been a lot of short shifting in the testing of the new F1 cars supposedly.

 

[NFSCARBON1]

Of course they're working harder... they have almost half the power and they're in a heavier car, and they're pissing waste energy out into the sky. Nothing sexy about that, it's like a shouty-fat-man in a fight.



Fast though, right? Driving in the most visually/aurally extravagant way possible isn't always the best way.



It could do with more Maldonado. More Maldonado is always impressive.

Efficiency isn't sexy either and it doesn't scream lightweight single seater racecar to me.
To my mind F1 should be about outright performance and speed, efficiency is a by product. Series like the WEC can then refine those ideas to make more efficient and reliable systems, that eventually trickle down to Road vehicles.

And Maldonado shouldn't be allowed to set foot near a motorised vehicle again!

 

[TenEightyOne]

Efficiency isn't sexy either and it doesn't scream lightweight single seater racecar to me.
To my mind F1 should be about outright performance and speed, efficiency is a by product.

Efficiency is performance, surely?

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Efficiency isn't sexy either and it doesn't scream lightweight single seater racecar to me.
To my mind F1 should be about outright performance and speed, efficiency is a by product. Series like the WEC can then refine those ideas to make more efficient and reliable systems, that eventually trickle down to Road vehicles.

And Maldonado shouldn't be allowed to set foot near a motorised vehicle again!

You are right, but the cars and the glamour are what keep the sport being "sexy", regular people see an exotic alien ship on wheels that is insanely fast.

However, F1 and any prototype like series with nearly open regs isn't sustainable with out some end return to manufactures. So F1 and P1 for example can't survive if they don't play the drum of manufactures. They can live for a time but it wont be long. Then again I don't believe F1 will exist in the next 30 years anyways. Unless F-Zero does become a thing...

 

[TheElbows]

F1 is an interesting technical showcase, but "good racing" it is not. That's fine, I've got other series to fill that niche.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

F1 is an interesting technical showcase, but "good racing" it is not. That's fine, I've got other series to fill that niche.

So last season had no good races?

 

[Peter.]

Why don't we all watch BTCC or V8SC then if it's all about close racing and parity? Weird time to complain about it in F1, when the Pirelli era has produced he most on track action F1 has probably ever had.

Bet the same people will wish they had last year's racing when the cars can't pass each other this year and Mercedes still win comfortably.

 

[TenEightyOne]

F1 is an interesting technical showcase, but "good racing" it is not. That's fine, I've got other series to fill that niche.

Which would you say were the best three F1 races of 2016?

 

[TheElbows]

Which would you say were the best three F1 races of 2016?

I wouldn't say there were any good races which boiled down to actual racing between cars. There were plenty of intriguing races based around tire choice, running fastest laps and opening up a window to beat the other guy out of the pits, etc. I watch F1 because I know the drivers, teams, etc. and it's amusing to watch the teams battle the rulebook and fuel limitations...but not actual wheel-to-wheel racing. I don't remember the last time I was on the edge of my seat as two F1 cars were genuinely dicing for position (the closest you get in F1 is a slow car holding up a faster car and the driver behind getting frustrated and almost running them off the track).

I find F1 entertaining, but just not for actual racing. I enjoy the politics, the banter, the selling/buying of personnel, engines, etc.

 

[Michelin Man]

I wouldn't say there were any good races which boiled down to actual racing between cars.

I don't know to be fair. Spain last year being one (yes Merc's were out the equation but still), not necessarily for out-and-out battling but simply because it was a tense defensive battle upfront.

Monaco is another example I can think of with Hamilton and Ricciardo having a nice tussle.

Those are the two immediate examples I can think of from last year, with another example of a good battle between multiple cars being Hungary 2015, but that's just my 2 cents.

 

[EDK]

I wouldn't say there were any good races which boiled down to actual racing between cars.

Did you watch Mexico or Brazil? Or Malaysia?

The Ricciardo/Vestappen battle in Malaysia that ended up being for the race win was fantastic.

Verstappen seeming passing the entire field twice in the rain in Brazil was tremendous.

While there ended up being chicane cutting galore, there was plenty of intense car to car battling in Mexico.

 

[Jimlaad43]

Which would you say were the best three F1 races of 2016?

Austria
Britain
Brazil

 

[TenEightyOne]

Austria
Britain
Brazil

I was hoping to get the three best races from @TheElbows and then ask why he didn't think they were any good

@EDK pretty much said what I would have done in reply

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I wouldn't say there were any good races which boiled down to actual racing between cars. There were plenty of intriguing races based around tire choice, running fastest laps and opening up a window to beat the other guy out of the pits, etc. I watch F1 because I know the drivers, teams, etc. and it's amusing to watch the teams battle the rulebook and fuel limitations...but not actual wheel-to-wheel racing. I don't remember the last time I was on the edge of my seat as two F1 cars were genuinely dicing for position (the closest you get in F1 is a slow car holding up a faster car and the driver behind getting frustrated and almost running them off the track).

I find F1 entertaining, but just not for actual racing. I enjoy the politics, the banter, the selling/buying of personnel, engines, etc.

Wait Monaco wasn't good enough to you...what? I mean I myself enjoyed RBR pulling a McLaren allowing for a few hard laps of racing between Daniel and Lewis. Actually had it in my top five.

 

[Dotini]

Which would you say were the best three F1 races of 2016?

I'll never forget the glory and agony of Monaco, 2016.

 

[ukfan758]

Which would you say were the best three F1 races of 2016?

Japan, Brazil, Spain (not much action bar the first lap but it resulted in Verstappen winning). Mexico, Malaysia, and Monaco were also very good.

 

[Dylan]

Which would you say were the best three F1 races of 2016?

Autódromo José Carlos Pace
Red Bull Ring
Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya

 

[Jimlaad43]

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[TenEightyOne]

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[Pete05]

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[TenEightyOne]

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[zed300]

Which would you say were the best three F1 races of 2016?

Austria
Monaco
Singapore (last 20 Laps especially)
Malaysia
Mexico
Brazil

 

[spyrrari]

here a video to see how fast this years cars will be....notice especially the entrance speed into a fast corner....wow!!!

 

[spyrrari]

Austria
Monaco
Singapore (last 20 Laps especially)
Malaysia
Mexico
Brazil

brasil....but i am biased...

sorry for the dubble post!

Spy.

 

[zed300]

I initially did spell Brasil in this way, then I checked elsewhere and the "z" was the preferred selection.

 

[TheBook]

Look at how much more Hamilton was fighting the car over the course of the lap. The extra rear grip really seems to make a difference.

 

[TenEightyOne]

I initially did spell Brasil in this way, then I checked elsewhere and the "z" was the preferred selection.

In Brasil it's spelt Brasil, in English it's spelt Brazil. Interesting etymological history... but ultimately pointless. Either is acceptable

Look at how much more Hamilton was fighting the car over the course of the lap. The extra rear grip really seems to make a difference.

Definitely, really looking forward to seeing these leave the line in Australialand!

 

[TenEightyOne]

Sky are reporting that the problem with the Honda engine is vibration-based.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Sky are reporting that the problem with the Honda engine is vibration-based.

Seems to be pretty hard to fix, because uh yeah vibrations happen any time the car is in motion. So as many of us thought the issue is probably far bigger and more based on the fundamental design than just simple quick fixes or designs. I mean the fact they're already planning engine penalties before the start of the season to fix pre-season gremlins just amazes me for the money they pour into this.