- 3,383
- Some where near the Pub
- GTP_hasslemoff
Could you sign me up for the euro race please on wednesday night, I didnt get much time to run Kaz Spa this week so I wont be submitting a WRS time. Not a problam if I start at the back of the grid.
3D3 Racing: WRS-based races moved to new WRS sub-forum!
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- 11,921
- California
- GTP_WRP001
We're using live qualifying this week so it doesn't matter whether or not you submit an official lap in the WRS. Every driver has 15 minutes to run their best lap (no pits) and that'll determine your starting position on the grid.
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- 11,921
- California
- GTP_WRP001
I will open my lounge for KasSpa practice today at 7:00 PM Eastern / 4:00 PM Pacific:
I'll keep the lounge open at least until 9:30 PM Pacific.
I won't be driving myself the entire time, but I'll have the lounge setup and open for others. I'll set the lounge for 5 lap races in case people want to do some draft testing. Feel free to start races while I'm away from the PS3. That should keep the test races to about 11-12 minutes so nobody has to wait very long.
EDIT: Lounge closed.
I'll keep the lounge open at least until 9:30 PM Pacific.
I won't be driving myself the entire time, but I'll have the lounge setup and open for others. I'll set the lounge for 5 lap races in case people want to do some draft testing. Feel free to start races while I'm away from the PS3. That should keep the test races to about 11-12 minutes so nobody has to wait very long.
EDIT: Lounge closed.
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- 16,271
- Boise, ID
- GTP_EDK
I'm looking forward to this week's race. I had guests for the weekend, so could not commit the amount of time needed to compete in the WRS TT. This was not a planned event, but we had fun, nonetheless. I do at least have my car broken in, and have raced enough Spa online that I should be able to keep up with traffic. 
Loving this pic from last week's race, and sorry that I missed out.
Loving this pic from last week's race, and sorry that I missed out.
- 3,179
- USA
- GTP_CarlosF
Man these events look great fun, I'd love to join in - sadly the time slots aren't great and even if they were, my sketchy 1.5Mbps internet connection makes it almost impossible to run online 
- 3,984
- Frankfurt am Main
- GTP_mcfizzle
- LotsaMcfizzle
Sorry I can't jump in there tonight guys. Hanging out and then going to pick up MW3 in a couple mins. Hopefully I can get some practice time with you soon. Nice job on the podiums again.
Carlos, even if it's a one time thing you have to race 3D3 at least once. It's great fun and a way to get to know your competitors a little better. And I think it's helped me improve. Hope to see you sometime.
Carlos, even if it's a one time thing you have to race 3D3 at least once. It's great fun and a way to get to know your competitors a little better. And I think it's helped me improve. Hope to see you sometime.
- 3,895
- Toronto
- GTP_Hydro
Man these events look great fun, I'd love to join in - sadly the time slots aren't great and even if they were, my sketchy 1.5Mbps internet connection makes it almost impossible to run online
It would be great to see you on the track Jon 👍
There's been some rumblings about a possible Australia friendly timeslot, but it's been a bit light so far. It may happen just yet
- 17,334
- Seattle
- GTP_Gravitron
oops, missed Tim's lounge. I have mine open now for practice, feel free to stop by.
Probably have to close it in 30min from now though.
EDIT: Closing it now.
I don't remember fuel being a concern on any of our races so far, but this one may be. 10 normal laps in and I had below half a tank left...
2'11.6xx was my best quali lap, with less than half a tank and good tires.
Probably have to close it in 30min from now though.
EDIT: Closing it now.
I don't remember fuel being a concern on any of our races so far, but this one may be. 10 normal laps in and I had below half a tank left...
2'11.6xx was my best quali lap, with less than half a tank and good tires.
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- 11,921
- California
- GTP_WRP001
Gravitron
Closed up early... Sorry 'bout that.
Remember we are running single stint quali with no pits so you have to run hot quali laps on full fuel within 15 mins. A 2'11.8 was my best full fuel lap. Hydro did the same time on full fuel.
Based on testing I will warm tires in the out lap and make sure I have space on track and then run 3 hot laps. After that tires will be too worn to improve so I'll just go park off track, park and watch. That should be 10 minutes of stress and 5 mins to relax before the green lights. 👍
- 3,895
- Toronto
- GTP_Hydro
So the race continues
I hit an 11.633 in practice on the 3rd lap following pit 1 (lap 11).
I didn't go past 13 laps, so I'm not at all sure what a potential best lap is.
As qualification goes, I'm finding my best laps are 1,2,3. The tire wear comes into play after that, but a good 4th lap is definitely possible.
EU practice room will open at 12 PM Pacific / 3PM Eastern / 8PM GMT.
- 2,809
- LoomRock, CA
- GTP_LeftyWright
my sketchy 1.5Mbps internet connection makes it almost impossible to run online
Man I wish I was so lucky
Carlos your downstream is twice as fast as mine and other then a little lag I'm ok. After I hard wired my PS3 I did get a doubling of my up stream though. 
With "W" and Hydro blasting out 211z, is there any online setups for the race to help Jerryz Squidz
Great Pic 👍 at least I was having fun hanging it out as everyone got their shot at me
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- 3,895
- Toronto
- GTP_Hydro
Note to all drivers:
There's a "glitch" in the tuning sheets that Myself, Tim, and Blair all discovered in practice / WRS runs.
In certain circumstances (switching between tune sheets, etc.) the rear downforce resets to the default setting.
Always double check your setup before you enter the track, just to be safe 👍
The suspension is completely stock, with Vagabond's camber settings, but different toe, and LSD settings.
I'll post the LSD and toe setup when I jump in for the EU practice. 👍
There's a "glitch" in the tuning sheets that Myself, Tim, and Blair all discovered in practice / WRS runs.
In certain circumstances (switching between tune sheets, etc.) the rear downforce resets to the default setting.
Always double check your setup before you enter the track, just to be safe 👍
Not really.With "W" and Hydro blasting out 211z, is there any online setups for the race to help Jerryz Squidz
The suspension is completely stock, with Vagabond's camber settings, but different toe, and LSD settings.
I'll post the LSD and toe setup when I jump in for the EU practice. 👍
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- 2,077
- The Netherlands
- GTP_w-g-e
I haven't noticed much difference between online and offline. The oversteer shouldn't kill you at least. I could PM you or post my tune however.Man I wish I was so lucky
With "W" and Hydro blasting out 211z, is there any online setups for the race to help Jerryz Squidz
JoostBaksteen
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- 1,466
- GTP_Joost
Hey guys, just to be sure, the countdown timer counts down to the qualifying right? Or is it the practice session?
Just want to be sure, with the current daylight savings time mismatch.
Just want to be sure, with the current daylight savings time mismatch.
- 3,895
- Toronto
- GTP_Hydro
The countdown timer is for the start of the Qualifying.
8 PM GMT for the EU race.
Race starts at 8:15 PM GMT.
JoostBaksteen
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- 1,466
- GTP_Joost
- 11,921
- California
- GTP_WRP001
A couple stewards notes for this week. Marc and I ran a 30 lap race here in Super GT cars on Sunday and even though the cars are quite different (more grip), the experience definitely carries over to our event. So here are some observations from our earlier race and practice sessions to date.
Draft:
The draft impact is *huge*. T1 and T3 turn into "catch up" spots and T2 is a fast drivers chance for separation. You can easily make up a second in each of the catch up sectors using the draft. This fact can lead to some interesting strategies to save tires, but I'll let you figure those out.
Also, going wide or cutting in a few places isn't very costly on this track as there are safe runoff areas in many places so we are counting on the honor system this week with penalties off. Don't take advantage of these areas to benefit your position or lap times or tire wear.
T1:
This car is challenging to get through Eau Rouge clean, in particular when following another car closely and on older tires which both lead to more pushing and sliding on the fronts. If you are following/drafting and end up cutting the corner clearly/badly you should NOT draft pass the car in front on the following straight. You should tuck behind and forfeit that opportunity to make a pass. Cutting the corner by accident is just driver error and understandable (if it's not a repeating pattern), but "driver error" should never be used to your benefit.
If, however, you get through Eau Rouge clean this is by far the best place to make a pass. Our observation is that you actually don't want to be following too close approaching Eau Rouge for an optimal pass. You are better off 5-6 car lengths behind than any closer. You will get through the tricky section easier, still be in the draft at the top of the hill and will time your pass after the shallow right and before the next corner. If you are too close you end up having to lift sometime or actually pass too early and open the door for the re-pass... or at least a side by side situation going into the following right, which is tricky business.
Be careful as the car following to brake early at the end of the straight. If you go two wide into the right turn to start T2 someone has to give... be nice and drive clean.
T2
T2 is very technical and will separate the faster from the fast from the slow. It's almost impossible to pass without a serious driver error. But it's the place where you can create a gap to a following driver and break the slip stream. Get ahead by over a second and get a good exit from Stavelot and you have a chance to break free.
Pouhon is another place where you can benefit from going off track by going wide in the double left. Drivers will periodically go a little wide through here as the timing is easy to miss, but it shouldn't be a pattern and you should try to always keep two tires on the track/rumbles. If you find yourself going wide too often in the early part of the race you should make an extra effort to be clean through here in future laps even if that means getting in the gas later or feathering the throttle.
T3
T3 is a good drafting, catch up spot, but it's hard to pass. The long full throttle section is not straight and the optimal driving line is basically an optimal blocking line. Also if you are following it's much harder to make Blanchimont clean so you have to left extra early to make up for the extra speed you are carrying. Going off track on Blanchimont should NOT be a pattern. If you are following or have been going wide in previous laps you should start lifting earlier and staying clean.
Approaching the final chicane is maybe the trickiest spot on the track. If you are the chasing driver in the slipstream you have to brake very early. Don't try to time the brake perfectly if you are following. Instead brake significantly early and then you can feather the throttle to close the gap prior to the apex. If you make a mistake using this technique usually the result is a tap and not a full out punt which will result from a normal, but miss timed braking method.
It gets way more tricky with 3 or more drivers approaching this section and this will happen often, especially early in the track. The first driver cannot brake too early to prevent a chain reaction. The 2nd driver has to brake a little early, but not too much. And the 3rd driver needs to use the very early feathering approach. I have yet to see a clean pass made to the inside under braking... maybe some of you could pull it off, but I think it's going to take quite an aggressive move and be quite risky. I won't try it unless it's the final lap.
If you get punted from behind braking for the chicane and you don't spin, but get shoved off track wide, you can/should just cut the chicane onto the front straight and try to slide into your previous position. Again, you shouldn't benefit from this, but you shouldn't be penalized for getting punted either. The punting driver must yield the position and if the driver that get's punted spins or crashes the punter must wait before the start/finish (on the straight, don't clog up the chicane) and then let the punted driver pass even if it means giving up multiple spots before the driver recovers. In other words... just brake early and don't punt, and if you do please take your medicine.
Tire Wear
Tire wear is terrible at this track. You'll be sliding by lap 6 and earlier if you are really pushing. Even with a two stop strategy at some point you're going to be on a 9 lap run. We've seen an impact of 4-6 seconds per lap easily by the end of the run. Just be aware and go easy on exits on worn tires. Brake earlier on warn tires also, especially prior to the final chicane. The stopping power of the tires drops significantly.
Fuel
You will need to add fuel at some point in the race we're estimating based on testing. The system should pretty much approximate the right amount of fuel needed, but it's not always perfect. No guarantees of course so throw in an extra liter or two if you are worried you'll end up short.
Have fun!
Draft:
The draft impact is *huge*. T1 and T3 turn into "catch up" spots and T2 is a fast drivers chance for separation. You can easily make up a second in each of the catch up sectors using the draft. This fact can lead to some interesting strategies to save tires, but I'll let you figure those out.
Also, going wide or cutting in a few places isn't very costly on this track as there are safe runoff areas in many places so we are counting on the honor system this week with penalties off. Don't take advantage of these areas to benefit your position or lap times or tire wear.
T1:
This car is challenging to get through Eau Rouge clean, in particular when following another car closely and on older tires which both lead to more pushing and sliding on the fronts. If you are following/drafting and end up cutting the corner clearly/badly you should NOT draft pass the car in front on the following straight. You should tuck behind and forfeit that opportunity to make a pass. Cutting the corner by accident is just driver error and understandable (if it's not a repeating pattern), but "driver error" should never be used to your benefit.
If, however, you get through Eau Rouge clean this is by far the best place to make a pass. Our observation is that you actually don't want to be following too close approaching Eau Rouge for an optimal pass. You are better off 5-6 car lengths behind than any closer. You will get through the tricky section easier, still be in the draft at the top of the hill and will time your pass after the shallow right and before the next corner. If you are too close you end up having to lift sometime or actually pass too early and open the door for the re-pass... or at least a side by side situation going into the following right, which is tricky business.
Be careful as the car following to brake early at the end of the straight. If you go two wide into the right turn to start T2 someone has to give... be nice and drive clean.
T2
T2 is very technical and will separate the faster from the fast from the slow. It's almost impossible to pass without a serious driver error. But it's the place where you can create a gap to a following driver and break the slip stream. Get ahead by over a second and get a good exit from Stavelot and you have a chance to break free.
Pouhon is another place where you can benefit from going off track by going wide in the double left. Drivers will periodically go a little wide through here as the timing is easy to miss, but it shouldn't be a pattern and you should try to always keep two tires on the track/rumbles. If you find yourself going wide too often in the early part of the race you should make an extra effort to be clean through here in future laps even if that means getting in the gas later or feathering the throttle.
T3
T3 is a good drafting, catch up spot, but it's hard to pass. The long full throttle section is not straight and the optimal driving line is basically an optimal blocking line. Also if you are following it's much harder to make Blanchimont clean so you have to left extra early to make up for the extra speed you are carrying. Going off track on Blanchimont should NOT be a pattern. If you are following or have been going wide in previous laps you should start lifting earlier and staying clean.
Approaching the final chicane is maybe the trickiest spot on the track. If you are the chasing driver in the slipstream you have to brake very early. Don't try to time the brake perfectly if you are following. Instead brake significantly early and then you can feather the throttle to close the gap prior to the apex. If you make a mistake using this technique usually the result is a tap and not a full out punt which will result from a normal, but miss timed braking method.
It gets way more tricky with 3 or more drivers approaching this section and this will happen often, especially early in the track. The first driver cannot brake too early to prevent a chain reaction. The 2nd driver has to brake a little early, but not too much. And the 3rd driver needs to use the very early feathering approach. I have yet to see a clean pass made to the inside under braking... maybe some of you could pull it off, but I think it's going to take quite an aggressive move and be quite risky. I won't try it unless it's the final lap.
If you get punted from behind braking for the chicane and you don't spin, but get shoved off track wide, you can/should just cut the chicane onto the front straight and try to slide into your previous position. Again, you shouldn't benefit from this, but you shouldn't be penalized for getting punted either. The punting driver must yield the position and if the driver that get's punted spins or crashes the punter must wait before the start/finish (on the straight, don't clog up the chicane) and then let the punted driver pass even if it means giving up multiple spots before the driver recovers. In other words... just brake early and don't punt, and if you do please take your medicine.
Tire Wear
Tire wear is terrible at this track. You'll be sliding by lap 6 and earlier if you are really pushing. Even with a two stop strategy at some point you're going to be on a 9 lap run. We've seen an impact of 4-6 seconds per lap easily by the end of the run. Just be aware and go easy on exits on worn tires. Brake earlier on warn tires also, especially prior to the final chicane. The stopping power of the tires drops significantly.
Fuel
You will need to add fuel at some point in the race we're estimating based on testing. The system should pretty much approximate the right amount of fuel needed, but it's not always perfect. No guarantees of course so throw in an extra liter or two if you are worried you'll end up short.
Have fun!
- 3,383
- Some where near the Pub
- GTP_hasslemoff
- 649
- Cedar Rapids, I
- DragonGT83
Looking forward to tomorrow. Hopefully I can get a lil better tire wear on my setup by then or slow my pace down a bit. If I want to keep the pace I was running in practice over 6 laps I'll be making 3 stops haha. we'll see how it goes. Not expecting too much of myself with these cars, so enviro unfriendly gas hoggers haha.
- 3,895
- Toronto
- GTP_Hydro
Here's the setup I'm using for the online race.
I've messed around with settings in practice, but I keep going back to this very basic setup:
2'11.6xx was my best practice lap.
LSD 5/15/5 Front / 6/27/5 Rear
Suspension: Stock
Wheels:
2.0/1.0
0.00/-0.20
Basically the settings Chris posted, but adjusted for online safety, and my lead foot
Still undecided on a BB that will (might) cut down on the crazy tire wear.
Good luck in the Races tomorrow everyone 👍
I've messed around with settings in practice, but I keep going back to this very basic setup:
2'11.6xx was my best practice lap.
LSD 5/15/5 Front / 6/27/5 Rear
Suspension: Stock
Wheels:
2.0/1.0
0.00/-0.20
Basically the settings Chris posted, but adjusted for online safety, and my lead foot
Still undecided on a BB that will (might) cut down on the crazy tire wear.
Good luck in the Races tomorrow everyone 👍
- 7,207
- Ostend, Belgium
- Speedy6543
I just did two practice races on my own to see what the difference was between 2 stops or 3 stops.
I ran pretty consistent during both races.
The 2 pitstops race took me 56min58sec
The 3 pitstops race took me 56min56sec
Now what would be the best to do in this evenings race?
I ran pretty consistent during both races.
The 2 pitstops race took me 56min58sec
The 3 pitstops race took me 56min56sec
Now what would be the best to do in this evenings race?
- 2,077
- The Netherlands
- GTP_w-g-e
I'll do a 1/2/3-stop depending on how the race will turn out. If I'll be lucky and break out early it's best to do some fast laps and maybe do a 3-stop. If I'm stuck behind someone it's best to conserve my tyres so I'll go for a 1 or 2-stop.
Brilliant write-up by the way Tim.👍
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