450pp Street Car Tuners Club -- Nightly 9:45-12:00 EDT

[grenadeshark]

Tonight is 80's night. Tires will be restricted to Sport Soft. I will start the night off with some short races. If competition is tight I may run a longer race with damage on full later in the evening.

What time zone are you going by?

 

[chuyler1]

Eastern Daylight Time (EDT) GMT -4

 

[chuyler1]

Two videos from last night.

The first video is one of several epic battles between Nic and I. My BTR was a perfect match for his SILVIA. Both had a tendency to kick out the rear end on corner exit. His Silvia had a little more speed in the straight but I definitely had the braking advantage (as most Porsches do). It was 5 laps of late braking and drag racing. On the last few turns, you can see where I tried to push the RUF and it simply said "no". I was trying to capitalize on Nic's mistake but I got a little overzealous with the gas and the rear end broke loose. It's hard to tell from the video, but much countersteering was involved with keeping that RUF straight.



The second video is another run on my custom track. I lowered the banking on the last sector compared to last time. It looked like cars handled the banked turn a little better. But with its decreasing radius turns, this course is a practice in restraint. You need to back off the throttle early to ensure a proper exit.

 

[grenadeshark]

I've got a summary for last night. Jew guy (that's his name) takes out grenadeshark somewhere between first and fifth turn. Grenadeshark then spends rest of race trying to make up the positions only to be taken out by jew guy again. End of story. Fun racing.

 

[chuyler1]

LOL. Time for you to learn the pit maneuver and the well timed punt. Jewy is a train wreck. Getting around him takes some skill. I race clean at the beginning of the night but if he punts me, it's on. I'll put him into the wall any time I see him after that. The trick is not to just pass him, but to pass him with enough gap that he can't touch you on the next turn. If he gets on your nerves, send me a message and I'll boot him so we can get some clean races in. The sad part is that he can race pretty clean when he wants to. The last race last night his Isuzu was very quick and I couldn't catch him.

Tonight is truck night. 450pp on racing soft tires. I suggest a Dodge Ram with no weight reduction. It cannot be pit maneuvered and is very fast off the line. I myself like the Chevy SSR. Not so quick on the straights but makes up in the turns.

 

[diabolicwyvern]

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LOL. Time for you to learn the pit maneuver and the well timed punt. Jewy is a train wreck...The trick is not to just pass him, but to pass him with enough gap that he can't touch you on the next turn...
I suggest a Dodge Ram with no weight reduction. It cannot be pit maneuvered and is very fast off the line. I myself like the Chevy SSR. Not so quick on the straights but makes up in the turns.

Offline, the Tacoma is quickest but if you're at all anxious, go for the Ram. The slogan says it all, Ram Tough, and you'll need it and more (possibly Harrison Ford behind the wheel) if Jewbacca comes after you.

I'll also be sporting the SSR (in some obnoxious color) as the corners make or brake, no pun intended, the truck races, especially when you're running to hide.

PS: Lets hope nobody again has the bright idea to pilot a small Honda backwards

 

[xonant]

LOL. Time for you to learn the pit maneuver and the well timed punt. Jewy is a train wreck. Getting around him takes some skill. I race clean at the beginning of the night but if he punts me, it's on. I'll put him into the wall any time I see him after that. The trick is not to just pass him, but to pass him with enough gap that he can't touch you on the next turn. If he gets on your nerves, send me a message and I'll boot him so we can get some clean races in. The sad part is that he can race pretty clean when he wants to. The last race last night his Isuzu was very quick and I couldn't catch him.

Tonight is truck night. 450pp on racing soft tires. I suggest a Dodge Ram with no weight reduction. It cannot be pit maneuvered and is very fast off the line. I myself like the Chevy SSR. Not so quick on the straights but makes up in the turns.

I looked for your room last night and could not find it. I eventually sent you a friend request but, as you were probably busy driving, you didn't accept. If you accept to tonight, hopefully I can join in on the fun.

 

[chuyler1]

I ran last night's session in my private lobby since I've been getting lots of friend requests and I wanted to make sure everyone could get in. I periodically check my messages between races but I will be sure to accept your friend request before things get started tonight. The room will probably be public tonight since truck night isn't as popular and I doubt we will fill the room.

 

[grenadeshark]

LOL. Time for you to learn the pit maneuver and the well timed punt. Jewy is a train wreck. Getting around him takes some skill. I race clean at the beginning of the night but if he punts me, it's on. I'll put him into the wall any time I see him after that. The trick is not to just pass him, but to pass him with enough gap that he can't touch you on the next turn. If he gets on your nerves, send me a message and I'll boot him so we can get some clean races in. The sad part is that he can race pretty clean when he wants to. The last race last night his Isuzu was very quick and I couldn't catch him.

Tonight is truck night. 450pp on racing soft tires. I suggest a Dodge Ram with no weight reduction. It cannot be pit maneuvered and is very fast off the line. I myself like the Chevy SSR. Not so quick on the straights but makes up in the turns.

I was only making fun. It wasn't really all that bothersome. Most of the races, by the time he interfered with me, I was already way behind enough that it was irrelevant. I've found that I generally win races big or lose big. I guess Ricky Bobby taught me well...

I was watching your replay of Rome reverse. It was the 300zx that I collided with that took me out, not him in that race! He took credit anyways. lol.

 

[chuyler1]

Hah hah, yeah Jewy takes credit for all shenanigans.

I'm not sure what it is about the first lap but people just race real rough. Tires are cold and they see someone in front brake early and think, "hey, I could cut inside". But only after they try it do they realize their tires aren't going to hold the inside line. If someone gets the jump on me at the start, I almost always wait until half-way through the first lap to make a move. I run a defensive line to make sure the guy behind me knows he doesn't have room to cut inside and when my tires are warm I attack! Pushing the car to limit early in the race just leaves you exposed to other's rough driving. Leave some grip for the accidental rub and you'll make it through the first few turns unscathed. From there you can work on passing cars one at a time using the draft as best you can.

It's very rare that I get a 5 lap non-stop battle with someone like the Rome replay above. It's even more rare for 3 or 4 cars to battle it out beyond the first lap. When it happens I do my best to save the replay. It's always good to go back and watch those great battles.

 

[grenadeshark]

Anything going on Tuesday night or not?

 

[diabolicwyvern]

Should be anything goes as long as it meets the PP restrictions, so bring the Slime Green Machine

I sent both my trucks from last night straight to the fav list and in total now I've created 31 cars specifically for this event. Tonight, I'll be sporting taiga green BMWs and possibly an S2000 or two.

 

[chuyler1]

Well, last night got a little heated. We tried several different tires as well as adding boost to equalize the competition and tempers got a little heated. Rubbing and bumping is all too easy in trucks. I think next week penalties will have to be on for truck night to minimize bumping.

With that said, it appears that the Dodge Ram is clearly the fastest truck at this performance level. I was trying all night to run fast times in my SSR but it just didn't have the pick-up (pun intended). I thought its lighter weight would be an advantage on tighter tracks but when i switched to the Ram late in the evening i realized the Ram corners better with virtually no tuning. I can typically run in the front pack most nights but last night i was bringing up the rear on just about every race.

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Tonight I'd like to get some actual clean racing in. I'm thinking longer races to incorporate some pit strategy. Penalties on low, damage on high, sport soft tires. Open car selection.

25 laps on short tracks, 15 laps on long tracks. 1 pit stop required. If you crash on lap 1, you will have to pit for repairs...but that pit can be considered your required pit stop if you want to attempt the entire race on one set of tires.

I would like for drivers to race with restraint on the first lap until tires warm up. If you think you are faster than another driver, you'll have the rest of the race to pass them. With SS tires, everyone is bound to make a minor mistake here and there giving you a chance to catch up. Use bump drafting on straights with a partner to catch the leader instead of battling for position every lap.

 

[grenadeshark]

Well, last night got a little heated. We tried several different tires as well as adding boost to equalize the competition and tempers got a little heated. Rubbing and bumping is all too easy in trucks. I think next week penalties will have to be on for truck night to minimize bumping.

With that said, it appears that the Dodge Ram is clearly the fastest truck at this performance level. I was trying all night to run fast times in my SSR but it just didn't have the pick-up (pun intended). I thought its lighter weight would be an advantage on tighter tracks but when i switched to the Ram late in the evening i realized the Ram corners better with virtually no tuning. I can typically run in the front pack most nights but last night i was bringing up the rear on just about every race.

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Tonight I'd like to get some actual clean racing in. I'm thinking longer races to incorporate some pit strategy. Penalties on low, damage on high, sport soft tires. Open car selection.

25 laps on short tracks, 15 laps on long tracks. 1 pit stop required. If you crash on lap 1, you will have to pit for repairs...but that pit can be considered your required pit stop if you want to attempt the entire race on one set of tires.

I would like for drivers to race with restraint on the first lap until tires warm up. If you think you are faster than another driver, you'll have the rest of the race to pass them. With SS tires, everyone is bound to make a minor mistake here and there giving you a chance to catch up. Use bump drafting on straights with a partner to catch the leader instead of battling for position every lap.

Once we moved to SS tires, I was extremely competitive every race in the f150. Out of 4 races, I think I placed 1, 2, 5, 8. I think that's a pretty good spread.

I got heated up a couple times when certain players just completely ignored fair racing practices and used me for a turn barrier. Specifically, when I got taken out of the race because of these things.

The problem lies when someone coming up to a turn makes a decision. They can either slow down and take it behind the person. They can late brake and use that person to get through the turn faster (which happens mostly) or they can under brake and again bump that person out of the way which helps them again.

Seems there are too many ways for someone to exploit an easy system. But that's this game in general. I think honestly we need some more moderation in the room. I had an idea of having maybe a race moderator if things become troublesome like last night.

We choose someone each race to watch the race for people who are obviously racing very dirty. They would only do it for one race and then another person would take their place. This would only be required if we had the same problems we did last night.

 

[THE_KARLNESS]

Sounds like quite a bit of fun.
I'll send you a FR tonight.

 

[esoxhntr]

i agree with grenadeshark, once we moved to the grippier sport softs, the 4wd advantage of the rams almost dissappeared other than on the starting line. i was competitive in the tacoma on laguna - with boost off I may have been able to win. racing hards or better would probably negate the 4wd completely. the ssr is similar to the taco in terms of handling but a lil more power (and weight). they will both out-corner the ram but lose in a drag race.

on comfort tires however, the 4wd is tough to beat and the rams reign supreme.

 

[frankygt-r]

Well, last night got a little heated. We tried several different tires as well as adding boost to equalize the competition and tempers got a little heated. Rubbing and bumping is all too easy in trucks. I think next week penalties will have to be on for truck night to minimize bumping.

With that said, it appears that the Dodge Ram is clearly the fastest truck at this performance level. I was trying all night to run fast times in my SSR but it just didn't have the pick-up (pun intended). I thought its lighter weight would be an advantage on tighter tracks but when i switched to the Ram late in the evening i realized the Ram corners better with virtually no tuning. I can typically run in the front pack most nights but last night i was bringing up the rear on just about every race.

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Tonight I'd like to get some actual clean racing in. I'm thinking longer races to incorporate some pit strategy. Penalties on low, damage on high, sport soft tires. Open car selection.

25 laps on short tracks, 15 laps on long tracks. 1 pit stop required. If you crash on lap 1, you will have to pit for repairs...but that pit can be considered your required pit stop if you want to attempt the entire race on one set of tires.

I would like for drivers to race with restraint on the first lap until tires warm up. If you think you are faster than another driver, you'll have the rest of the race to pass them. With SS tires, everyone is bound to make a minor mistake here and there giving you a chance to catch up. Use bump drafting on straights with a partner to catch the leader instead of battling for position every lap.

i like that:tup:

 

[chuyler1]

Good to know. We'll run SS tires the next truck night and I'll pick something other than the SSR...or I'll build a new SSR that uses PP for power instead of weight reduction. I was really only competitive in the SSR on racing tires since they allowed me to carry my speed onto the next straight. With SS tires, i still had to slow down a little and that was enough for other trucks to get close and draft pass me with their additional power.

I'll turn on weak penalties tonight too. That will prevent the punt-pass which was happening to me all night long. When cars/trucks tend to understeer, a light tap to the back basically breaks all traction and even if you completely depress the brake pedal there is nothing stopping you from going wide and off-track. Adding weak penalties reduces the amount of impact another vehicle can apply to your bumper...but there will be times where drivers can "ghost pass". They will start ghosting because they're about to hit you, but then can drive through you. Cars not on the lead lap also ghost which removes the fun in extended races...but if we need it to keep drivers racing clean then I will add it.

So does 30-min races sound good for tonight? I'll make the room private so we don't end up with unfamiliar faces. It should be a good test for tunes. Drivers fast off the line might burn through tires quicker.

I haven't decided what car to use tonight yet. My RX-8 is really fun but I haven't tuned it for SS tires yet. I know my TVR is decent on SS tires but it has a weak 2nd gear and doesn't pull very hard entering straights (once it builds up speed it is fine though).

 

[xonant]

Last night was fun but then got crazy. First let me apologize to Crazy8s. Coming unto the track from Pit lane, I was not paying attention and drifted into the lane when is doing a qualifying lap. I ruined that for him. To exacerbate the issue, my mike was not on (I realized later ) when I apologized to him. Due to this communication issue things went downhill fast. Not gonna re-ash the whole thing.

I think many people are trying to pass at the wrong time. I maybe wrong, but the car in-front of you have the right of way into turns. According to the GTPlanet OnLine Racing (OLR) Rules & Guidelines

the ahead driver IS entitled to be slower or use longer and earlier braking zones than others. They are also entitled to turn in earlier or later and/or apex earlier or later

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However, instead of drafting on straights to pass or wait for a driver mistake through a corner, people use corners to late break which usually means punting the car ahead, side swiping or causing some sort of mayhem.

 

[leadbedr]

I think many people are trying to pass at the wrong time. I maybe wrong, but the car in-front of you have the right of way into turns. According to the GTPlanet OnLine Racing (OLR) Rules & Guidelines .

However, instead of drafting on straights to pass or wait for a driver mistake through a corner, people use corners to late break which usually means punting the car ahead, side swiping or causing some sort of mayhem.

This is my only small complaint.
I seem to brake a little sooner than some, and get plowed into a wall.
But I usually end up in the back of the pack anyway.

I think some people need to remember its a game. Yea it sucks getting taking out but last night was a little silly with all the anger.

 

[diabolicwyvern]

I like the idea of moderation to a point, but in the back of my head I would be thinking: "I wonder who's friends with the steward this race?"

Now, This isn't a points series. Come 1st, 3rd...whatever...just race it cleanly. I know I was responsible for one major error on an early race on Cape. My actions put Chulyer1 several seconds off pace (6-7) when my pushing on grenadeshark, led to him swiping Chulyer off course. Following OLR, I waited for Chulyer to re-enter and take his rightful position in front of me. We lost several positions each, but eventually came in 2/3 I believe. Would have been 3/4 but I believe grenade was brushed into grass causing spin on last corner.

 

[MikeTheHockeyFan]

I'll swing by tonight, guys, hope to see you all there. My first night I've been able to make a race, looks like a fun time

 

[chuyler1]

Xonant, you are 100% correct with your diagnosis. Everyone should read the OLR if they haven't already. Link is in the first post. It will make for more fun racing if people are focused on battling other drivers instead of just winning the race. i have more fun placing 2nd or 3rd in a close race than placing 1st by several seconds.

However, some amount of rubbing is racing...but it will certainly make tempers flare. Since we were running Laguna Seca last night, here's an example of IRL shenanigans that go on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brNtbaMadX4

If you don't have time to watch here's a synopsis...
* Corvette is a little faster than Porsche with only a few laps to go
* Corvette tries bumping and rubbing Porsche but cannot pass
* Corvette makes dirty pass using pit road but is forced to give up position
* Corvette results to pit maneuver on last turn to attempt to spin Porsche
* Porsche puts Corvette into the wall in retaliation
* Porsche wins race, both drivers suspended.

IMHO, the Porsche had every right to protect his line after that stunt. After the amount of ramming the Corvette did, I would've done the same thing after a long race. It was dirty racing. However, this shows how tough the track really is to pass on.

 

[chuyler1]

I like the idea of moderation to a point, but in the back of my head I would be thinking: "I wonder who's friends with the steward this race?"

Now, This isn't a points series. Come 1st, 3rd...whatever...just race it cleanly. I know I was responsible for one major error on an early race on Cape. My actions put Chulyer1 several seconds off pace (6-7) when my pushing on grenadeshark, led to him swiping Chulyer off course. Following OLR, I waited for Chulyer to re-enter and take his rightful position in front of me. We lost several positions each, but eventually came in 2/3 I believe. Would have been 3/4 but I believe grenade was brushed into grass causing spin on last corner.

If I end up turning this into a series, I think a steward is a great idea. I love it when people join the room and watch a race in progress. Personally, it makes me more cautious knowing someone could be watching my every move taking notes.

As for Cape North, no hard feelings there about the pileup. It happens. At the end, I think I caused Grenade to go off course. He started going wide during the last series of turns and my SSR was able to hold the inside line. He got some grip on the last corner and pulled in...but I was already beside him at that point. I'll take the demerit for that one. Not a good place to try to pass.

 

[esoxhntr]

neither is that high speed left before the uphill section that leads to the corkscrew at laguna.

i think we were all frustrated at that point.

..and yes my pooop stinks too. i accidently took a couple of guys out using my patented go 'round the corner quicker in a ram using the ebrake technique.

 

[MikeTheHockeyFan]

Laguna is like an entire track comprised of those first few corners at Trial Mountain. You put one wheel off being nudged by an overzealous passer and you're spinning out of control thanks to the off-road surface.

Laguna Seca is a fun track, but just breeds frustration due to the speedy turns running right off into sand.

 

[sl3ight]

I might stop in tonight. Haven't played in forever.

 

[chuyler1]

i accidently took a couple of guys out using my patented go 'round the corner quicker in a ram using the ebrake technique.

That would be me you took out...along with half the lead pack LOL. I watched that replay. Nice drifting...but you were basically playing baseball with the rear end of the truck batting the rest of the cars with your rear quarter panel. I tried a few e-brake turns at Cote d'Azur and couldn't quite get the knack of it.

 

[esoxhntr]

well.. after getting punted out of the lead on turn one by the mexican fellow, frustration got the best of me.

it works real well at monaco on those hairpins. i think i got 1st by over 10 seconds there. timing is everything.

i promise to behave.

 

[chuyler1]

neither is that high speed left before the uphill section that leads to the corkscrew at laguna.

Basically Laguna has one passing point. The front straight leading to the first turn. If you can't get-er done there, you aren't going to have much luck on the rest of the track. That high speed left is quite possibly the worst place in the game to try to pass. Suzaka has the same turn, only worse because it is immediately followed by another tight turn. I have booted people from my room in the past for trying to cut inside me on that turn.