550PP 2WD Non-Racing Car Super Lap: Red Bull Ring

[nebularis23]

Maybe don't think of it as misguiding people since that infers you are teaching tuning - you're not, you're offering tunes to be used and they happen to be used by a lot of people. Who knows, maybe there are more people here who can improve their times with your setups than tunes that are even looser. In any case, it always comes down to what suits the individual.👍

 

[Chris___75]

Drama queens...Pfft!!

 

[Donstephan84]

A good tune like Cargo´s at the beginning of the event helps me more than a perfect tune two days before the event is closed.

Always BIG THANKS to every one who share his tune !!!

 

[Stotty]

My apologies for pointing people in the wrong direction with my tune then. I've never claimed to have all the answers when it comes to tuning or even claimed to know what I'm talking about. I only tune in the way that it suits me and how I like the car to feel. You know, this is why I stopped posting tunes because every time I do, people come around and more or less tell me I'm wrong in my tuning, which is totally fine, I never claimed to be right in the first place. I'm not saying you're wrong, because you are probably right. I just don't want to steer people in the wrong direction or misinform them by posting my tune and have them think my theories/numbers are correct. And its not about me not being able to take constructive criticism. That doesn't bother me one bit. Its when people like you come by and basically tell me my numbers are wrong. (rear toe is a killer of lap times. The more you use it to control entry oversteer the more exit understeer it creates.ills your exit speed and thus your lap times... There are better ways to more accurately manage oversteer, such as ride height or LSD Decel) If that's the case and I am leading people astray, then I understand and sincerely apologize. So again, please understand what I am saying here. I just don't want to continue posting my tunes if my numbers are wrong/misleading or if there is a better way of doing things. I just don't want to create confusion. That's why I said before that I should just leave the tuning to people like you and the other aliens. I mean, after all, one can't argue with you're TT records and success. So again, I profusely and sincerely apologize for the listing of my tune here. I in no way meant to steer people in the wrong direction as far as the right way to tune a car. I am very, very sorry for this and meant no harm.

@NixxxoN Yea, don't listen to me, I don't have a clue. Do what Stotty says, he's the expert. 👍

WTF?

Not sure where that came from... I posted in reply to @NixxxoN saying he was using -0.30/+1.00.

+1.0 of rear toe will kill any rotation the car has and result in an understeering sledge.

As a matter of interest, what ride height/ LSD decel or accel figure(s) would you use on this TT to manage oversteer

Not easy to explain fully without an essay, but I'll give you the very simplified version...

Too much entry oversteer - increase LSD decel by very small amounts until you get the entry rotation you want. NB; brake balance and how you brake (trail or not trail braking) has a big influence over entry rotation.

Too much exit oversteer - reduced LSD accel by very small amounts

Rear toe is a last resort/blunt instrument route to controlling oversteer - it does work, but in correcting one thing with it you are causing other issues. LSD is much more targeted in its effects.

 

[sbv]

Nice tune!!! 👍
Tanks for making my day@GTP_CargoRatt.
Manage to get 1:33:5xx and that is a really god monday in my world...
Appreciate that you share the tune so early in this event, and the new format in your posting is perfect:tup:

Thanks again

 

[joeledward]

THIS IS NOT A REPLY TO ANY POST so no one needs to get their knickers in a twist ok

Whilst it seems that our friend here struggles to come to terms with anything other than complete and unadulterated admiration and praise for anything he posts, when on song he is a valuable and productive member of this community.

His tunes are always solid and the new way he posted this tune is nothing short of brilliant

Which brings me to my point on topic : Why can't anyone in the top 10 ATM post their settings so that those of us who are mere mortals and are struggling to put a 1:33xx on the board use the same settings as the ELITE and see how we compare to them using their exact same settings?

We plebs can only improve by studying the more gifted players out there and putting their practices into use and trying the settings that they use to improve our meagre talent and skill sets.

So kudos when it is due, good on you Cargoratt for having a go and trying to be positive and constructive 👍 I am currently on 1:33.607 for #143 mainly thanks to your tune with my own modifications to LSD and suspension to suit my style so
Many thanks to Stotty for the LSD and toe lessons and tips, SW10 for tunes when posted ,WhoosierGirl for inspiration and Jogo, LisaNorm and Eepee for pushing me

A big cheerio to the (Current) top 10 Aliens ( present company excluded) who can't be bothered sharing so that we the community can improve and prosper.

End of rant
and Merry Christmas to all

 

[eclipsee]

Why can't anyone in the top 10 ATM post their settings so that those of us who are mere mortals and are struggling to put a 1:33xx on the board use the same settings as the ELITE and see how we compare to them using their exact same settings?

Likely they don't want to give a clue to the other adversaries in the top 10, if you want to compare your driving skills with them, you can do it in a "tuneless" time trial that PD puts from time to time in the seasonal TT's.

 

[joeledward]

Likely they don't want to give a clue to the other adversaries in the top 10, if you want to compare your driving skills with them, you can do it in a "tuneless" time trial that PD puts from time to time in the seasonal TT's.

Thanks for replying eclipsee 👍
At least you took the time and thanks for your previous help and tunes

I don't really have "skills" to compare or compete with Aliens (not sure I really like the term) So , sorry I really should have said "got the most out of my limited abilities" rather than "compare myself to them"
In a tuneless TT where we are all the on the same terms , I know I have pushed myself to my limits. In a tuned TT how do I know I haven't reached my full potential if I am not using the best possible tune available? Yes I know there are so many different variables etc and we all have different styles and equipment and I can't tune or drive for 🤬 it is just strange that only a couple of the elite like yourself and rajman and to a larger degree stotty and Sw are forthcoming with tunes and tips.

And I suppose it was a backhanded compliment of sorts to our friend for at least taking time out to develop and share tunes for the betterment of the community
Over and out sorry to ruffle feathers
I really like these Christmas smilies by the way

 

[Mundus]

some different tunes would be great,i like cargo ratts tune,but something else ti try out would be cool too

 

[CBH]

A good tune like Cargo´s at the beginning of the event helps me more than a perfect tune two days before the event is closed.

Always BIG THANKS to every one who share his tune !!!

Edit: wrong post sorry.

 

[Mundus]

give a dummy like me more tunes please you aliens

 

[smokeydan]

some different tunes would be great,i like cargo ratts tune,but something else ti try out would be cool too

Praiano posted a 600pp tune for the NSX LM Road car when this was the car of choice on the Matterhorn TT a couple of months ago- with a few adjustments this might give you alternate tune to try...

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...eblade-racing-serie-base-tune.291084/page-104

 

[Mundus]

thx smokeydan:tup:lets have a look

 

[LancerEvo7]

Is there any discussion going on about this TT being at a different ingame time than the track is normally?

 

[Mundus]

1:34,977,not much faster but faster

 

[NixxxoN]

Yeah, @GTP_CargoRatt everyone has their driving style, therefore everyone who tunes, has their way of tuning a car. You have your own, I have my own, and @Stotty has its own.

give a dummy like me more tunes please you aliens

Im not an alien but I post my own setup, based on @GTP_CargoRatt 's tune, but modified in order to be more NEUTRAL (less oversteering) so the people who like more neutral, or less oversteering cars, might like it. Personally I'm fastest with this.


GEARBOX: Same as CargoRatt's

BRAKES: 4/5

TRANSMISSION: 9/5/25

AERO: 325/600 (a bit less than max. at the front)

SUSPENSION:
RH: 70/65
SR: 9,24/12,18
EXT: 1/1
COMP: 1/1
ARB: 6/3
Camber: 0,0/0,5
Toe: -0.20/0.80 (I made it a little bit less extreme)

There you go, if anyone wants to try it and give feedback...

 

[coryclifford]

and Eeepee for pushing me

We're flying!

Cheers, mate!

 

[Mundus]

thx

Yeah, @GTP_CargoRatt everyone has their driving style, therefore everyone who tunes, has their way of tuning a car. You have your own, I have my own, and @Stotty has its own.

Im not an alien but I post my own setup, based on @GTP_CargoRatt 's tune, but modified in order to be more NEUTRAL (less oversteering) so the people who like more neutral, or less oversteering cars, might like it. Personally I'm fastest with this.


GEARBOX: Same as CargoRatt's

BRAKES: 4/5

TRANSMISSION: 9/5/25

AERO: 325/600 (a bit less than max. at the front)

SUSPENSION:
RH: 70/65
SR: 9,24/12,18
EXT: 1/1
COMP: 1/1
ARB: 6/3
Camber: 0,0/0,5
Toe: -0.20/0.80 (I made it a little bit less extreme)

There you go, if anyone wants to try it and give feedback...

thx man,now a 1:34,572,good progress for me

 

[Stotty]

Just had a quick go after work and improved to a 1'32.705... but leaderboards seem to be down, so not sure if it will register or not.

The tune I'm using...

NSX-R Prototype LM Road Car
New car from dealers, no oil change, no chassis strengthening
Ride 80 60
Spring 5.50 9.00
Bound 3 4
Rebound 4 5
ARB 7 7
Camber 0 0
Toe 0 0
Brakes (racing) 5 6
Gears (set max speed to minimum then gears/final)
4.916
3.795
3.103
2.583
2.156
1.829
Final 3.075
LSD 10 15 5
Power Limiter 93.4
Stage 3 weight reduction
Downforce 350 600

 

[Ed_Night]

You tested different Downforce settings @Stotty? I'm using minimum downforce, improved to 1:32,547 today.

 

[Stotty]

You tested different Downforce settings @Stotty? I'm using minimum downforce, improved to 1:32,547 today.

Not yet... not something that occurred to me, but now I'll have to try it

I wanted to have a good run at it tonight, but I don't want to risk running a good lap and it not registering.

 

[Ed_Night]

Sometimes the leaderboard update happens after you left the race.

 

[Stotty]

All my leaderboards are blank!

 

[WhoosierGirl]

All my leaderboards are blank!

Way to go Stotty, breaking the leaderboard before I even get a chance to try, I am so kicking you off my friends list.

 

[Stotty]

Got to stop you beating me somehow

 

[WhoosierGirl]

Got to stop you beating me somehow

I only beat you because you like it, you give me the "safe word" and I will stop

 

[Stotty]

Unfortunately I am old and memory is poor... I can't remember the 'word'.

Just have to continue taking the beatings

 

[soupcan]

A suggestion for you two.

 

[Stotty]

If only I was so lucky!

(And a few 1,000 miles closer)

(cough.. and 10 years younger )


(and not married)

 

[nowcontrol]

OK now, That's quite enough of that thank you very much.... remember where you are... this is not Tinder!


@WhoosierGirl .. Are you going to give this a try in your Miura? I'm currently at 1:33.7xx and there's still a few more tenths or possibly even half second I could nick. No doubt you will be faster than me.