600PP GT500 Super Lap - Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca

[Mini Stiggy]

You're welcome, F2600 has a bit more turn in and more punch but it's a bit more difficult to control the exit oversteer, F2500 uses better the powerband for the whole track but hasn't so much punch when exiting the corners, ah decisions ...

I found that the 2500 was better for me.

 

[Dalone]

Tune updated with @eclipsee's gears. I also went back to 6/8 brakes which helped.

"Tweak 4th in order to make an imaginary diagonal line from 3rd to 6th".
Don't know how to do that. Can you, or someone who has managed it, give us and idea what 4th should look like please?

 

[Mamba]

"Tweak 4th in order to make an imaginary diagonal line from 3rd to 6th".
Don't know how to do that. Can you, or someone who has managed it, give us and idea what 4th should look like please?

The line would be at the bottom of the gears, so it would look like (IIIIIII) see the bottom of the I's is a straight line, so try and get a straight line, slightly diagonal going up from 3rd to 6th

I used 3.014 or something thereabouts

 

[ODB]

Laguna ain't my best friend. Always having difficulty with the right apex in turn 2,3 and 4.

Hahaha, happy to hear I'm not the only one who doesn't exactly love this track

 

[Dalone]

The line would be at the bottom of the gears, so it would look like (IIIIIII) see the bottom of the I's is a straight line, so try and get a straight line, slightly diagonal going up from 3rd to 6th

I used 3.014 or something thereabouts

OK, thanks for that Manumanu. I was thinking of a different style of graph but of course there is one already there, couldn't see the forest for the trees. I'll try it later.

Well still using my same tune (mix of others naturally) I have improved a little again, down from 1:17.902 to 1:17.652.

 

[Stotty]

I'm at 2525.

Interesting finding the right balance between engine braking turn in and exit acceleration!

 

[ODB]

I'm at 2525.

Interesting finding the right balance between engine braking turn in and exit acceleration!

Finding the right balance on how much to turn the wheel is really an issue for me, just yesterday started to notice that I'm over driving the car and it doesn't like it a one bit, I think I try to add some FFB today and see if that helps me to feel better how the front end is behaving. Also have to drop my final to 2500 to see what it'll do to my driving.

It really shows that this is my first TT in a GT500 car, I think... When was the last one?

 

[Stotty]

Finding the right balance on how much to turn the wheel is really an issue for me, just yesterday started to notice that I'm over driving the car and it doesn't like it a one bit, I think I try to add some FFB today and see if that helps me to feel better how the front end is behaving. Also have to drop my final to 2500 to see what it'll do to my driving.

It really shows that this is my first TT in a GT500 car, I think... When was the last one?

If you think you're over driving the car try raising the final to c.2550... this will give the car more rotation off the power than 2500 and will slightly slow your entries.👍

 

[Mamba]

Finding the right balance on how much to turn the wheel is really an issue for me, just yesterday started to notice that I'm over driving the car and it doesn't like it a one bit, I think I try to add some FFB today and see if that helps me to feel better how the front end is behaving. Also have to drop my final to 2500 to see what it'll do to my driving.

It really shows that this is my first TT in a GT500 car, I think... When was the last one?

I don't think FFB matters that much to be honest, just focus on driving and not all those other settings

If you think you're over driving the car try raising the final to c.2550... this will give the car more rotation off the power than 2500 and will slightly slow your entries.👍

I was thinking of raising it to 2650 or 2700, I don't notice the exit oversteer much and I want more turn in

 

[Stotty]

I was thinking of raising it to 2650 or 2700, I don't notice the exit oversteer much and I want more turn in

This car has loads of rear traction... and the shorter the gearbox, the earlier you can stick it in 3rd.

If you're using Ramon's gearbox, I think 2600 is the shortest you could realistically go.

Balancing the entry/exit benefit across the slightly different gearing required for the 3rd/4th/5th gear turns, means any shorter than 2600 and the ratios don't work.

 

[esenli]

1,15,620...
special thanks for eclipsee.
mini stiggy very good tune congrlations.
ı never understand how can lloyd do 1,14,7xx with that tune

 

[ODB]

If you think you're over driving the car try raising the final to c.2550... this will give the car more rotation off the power than 2500 and will slightly slow your entries.👍

Yes I know exactly what you are saying, this car is far more sensitive than I thought. I'm basically loosing time for turning the wheel too much there for loosing all the grip.

 

[Mamba]

This car has loads of rear traction... and the shorter the gearbox, the earlier you can stick it in 3rd.

If you're using Ramon's gearbox, I think 2600 is the shortest you could realistically go.

Balancing the entry/exit benefit across the slightly different gearing required for the 3rd/4th/5th gear turns, means any shorter than 2600 and the ratios don't work.

You're probably right 👍 Ill play with 2550 ish and see which one is good, but currently I like 2600

Yes I know exactly what you are saying, this car is far more sensitive than I thought. I'm basically loosing time for turning the wheel too much there for loosing all the grip.

you don't need to turn the wheel much, just turn in early wait for the nose to hit the apex and get back on power, if you're turning the wheel a lot I suspect you are going into the corner too hot and need to overcompensate with the wheel

 

[ODB]

You're probably right 👍 Ill play with 2550 ish and see which one is good, but currently I like 2600



you don't need to turn the wheel much, just turn in early wait for the nose to hit the apex and get back on power, if you're turning the wheel a lot I suspect you are going into the corner too hot and need to overcompensate with the wheel

I think you are pretty much correct, it took me like 3 hours yesterday trying to figure what I'm doing so wrong and pretty much came to the same conclusion. Let's see how much it helps, once again it's learning something new for me, tough I think my driving style is too agressive any way so this could be a good lesson, IF I can learn it.

 

[MoKami]

Down to 1:15,474 (P15) right behind @Stotty .

I was using engine 3 + oil, but i can do the same times with the high RPM turbo. I think it just depends on personal liking.

With turbo the car is more stable, so you can drive more aggressiv without sliding to much.

I'm right behind you(at least on DS3) with a 1:15:548

It's a relief because I was lapping for an hour yesterday and couldn't get past a 15.9 after laying down my 15.6...

...Turns out I needed an oil change

 

[Dalone]

Started at 1:17.652 and improved to 1:17.306.
Now 3rd on my friends list behind Cargo, 1:16.302 and PMJG on 1:16.787.
Only change I made, which I think I felt, was to add some neg toe to the rear, was using no toe at all, front or rear.

 

[Konnichiwa]

Started at 1:17.652 and improved to 1:17.306.
Now 3rd on my friends list behind Cargo, 1:16.302 and PMJG on 1:16.787.
Only change I made, which I think I felt, was to add some neg toe to the rear, was using no toe at all, front or rear.

I think that the corkscrew is the key! You can drive the whole track solid, but when you drive through corcks perfectly you're time will be solid!

 

[Dalone]

I think that the corkscrew is the key! You can drive the whole track solid, but when you drive through corcks perfectly you're time will be solid!

Agree about the corkscrew. What I have been doing lately is to not slow down so much, not let it intimidate me if you like, but turn early for both and get on the power ASAP.

 

[Stotty]

Try dropping the car in to 3rd at the top of the corkscrew (once you've made the left apex)... if you're carry some momentum you won't lose much speed on the exit and you'll be able to get on the gas harder with less fear of wheelspin.

 

[eclipsee]

I was thinking of raising it to 2650 or 2700, I don't notice the exit oversteer much and I want more turn in

As Chris said, F2600 is the shortest usable, with F2650 you'll need to shift one more gear just before taking some curves and at some others you'll have too much wheelspin, with F2700 i think even you'll be bouncing the rev limiter at the final of the main straight.

Maybe what you need is initial final gear to 2900, later same procedure with top speed and setting the gears, later set the final gear to 2500.

 

[Mamba]

As Chris said, F2600 is the shortest usable, with F2650 you'll need to shift one more gear just before taking some curves and at some others you'll have too much wheelspin, with F2700 i think even you'll be bouncing the rev limiter at the final of the main straight.

Maybe what you need is initial final gear to 2900, later same procedure with top speed and setting the gears, later set the final gear to 2500.

I may have overexaturated on the 2700

 

[Growling]

Yeehaa 1:16.6

Eclipsee.. Your gears changed my life haha.

Can finally see a 15 on the horizon

 

[Konnichiwa]

Finally, after big struggle 16.730!!

I thought that I give up on this one.

Ok, so, I to to the gym, rest, eat and try again, wife can use a dildo tonight!

 

[Growling]

Loool I'm the same. Gf is away tonight so I'm not moving off my ps3 either.

Just popped in a 1:16.360.. I'm having a 15!

 

[Doodle]

this car needs more maintenance than Paris Hilton.

I laughed way too hard at this. 👍

 

[Ed_Night]

Not anymore

Another go after work and improved again.

1'15.332 and 10th for now... challenging to maintain a ranking as everyone keeps improving!

Yes, not anymore.

Improved to 1:15,299 (P11), using the high RPM turbo again.

 

[nebneb1978]

Yes, not anymore.

Improved to 1:15,299 (P11), using the high RPM turbo again.

Excellent time mate. I haven't had the chance in the last couple of days to improve my time after the working week & time with my girlfriend I'm hoping to hop back on & go faster. You never make it easy though lol

 

[Roweer1]

Excellent time mate. I haven't had the chance in the last couple of days to improve my time after the working week & time with my girlfriend I'm hoping to hop back on & go faster. You never make it easy though lol

Well I'M hoping to hop back on and go faster...... -with my wife, and THEN i'll be back to try to improve on my time...

 

[DTM]

Yes, not anymore.

Improved to 1:15,299 (P11), using the high RPM turbo again.

Nice lap time 👍

How much did you gain with the Turbo. And did you took of the engine 3?

 

[Ed_Night]

Nice lap time 👍

How much did you gain with the Turbo. And did you took of the engine 3?

Thanks

I have 2 Honda HSV, one with only high RPM turbo and anotherone with stage 3 engine + oil.

The lap i did yesterday with stage 3 engine + oil was 0,175s slower, but i think it was just better driving by myself.

Both cars have the same speed, they just handle a bit different.

Turbo feels easier for me with the ds3, stage 3 + oil gives better rotation but starts sliding very early.