ABS 0 community where are you???

[Cote Dazur]

I still don't believe that ABS is some kind of magical assist that hides the true nature of the car

Nothing magical about it, and might not hide the true nature of the cars, but the driving, with the proper brake balance, is more demanding, more rewarding and bring a deeper immersion.

You're right about ABS, leaving it off isn't more realistic, if anything it's actually less realistic because just about all cars have ABS these days

If ABS was behaving more like the ABS is on our car, then yes leaving it on would be more realistic, but once you get pass the first phase of adaptation, ABS 0 is more realistic, as you have to drive more like you would be driving a real car.
For example, if you downshift, with clutch and gate shift at too high rpm entering a curve, with ABS 0 the car will go side ways, with ABS 1 the car will stay stable. In real life abs or not the car goes side ways, except if you have a slipper clutch.

 

[VBR]

...if you downshift, with clutch and gate shift at too high rpm entering a curve, with ABS 0 the car will go side ways, with ABS 1 the car will stay stable. In real life abs or not the car goes side ways, except if you have a slipper clutch.

I already mentioned that I drove a Caterham 7 Superlight at a track day in 2009, I shifted down early (clutch & h pattern shifter) & agressively in that car & it never once went sideways, it had no ABS either. The only time it slid was due to power oversteer. Also, I could press the brake pedal hard & the wheels still wouldn't lock up. ABS on 1 in GT5's Fireblade feels similar to how that car does in real life.

I also drove a Clio Cup race car (see my GTP Avatar), that car had paddle shifters, & even with agressive downshifts the car never once went sideways, it had no ABS. However, the brake pedal was very sensitive & the front wheels locked up easily. That car was more like GT5 with ABS off & low BB settings. In GT5, the Golf RM will still go sideways under braking with no ABS & BB set to 2/1.

If a car in real life has a built in automatic rev matcher, the rear wheels wll never lock up on early downshifts regardless of whether or not the car has ABS. GT5 isn't entirely realistic with ABS either on or off, I guess it depends on the car, & the only way we can know for sure is to test each car in GT5 & then again in real life to compare. I aint rich enough to do that, how about you?

 

[CJSpencer77]

Will have a ABS 0 public room open tonight at about 8pm, there will be some of my league mates in there with me but everyone is welcome, we race a bit of everything from 500pp on CS to higher PP's on sports tyres, after each race we change the specs so usually somthing to suit everyone, hopefully see you there.

 

[Cote Dazur]

GT5 isn't entirely realistic with ABS either on or off, I guess it depends on the car, & the only way we can know for sure is to test each car in GT5 & then again in real life to compare. I aint rich enough to do that, how about you?

VBR, like you I have driven on track, but unlike you, only with various street cars on track days. I agree, GT5 isn't entirely realistic with ABS either on or off, there is too much missing.
Unfortunetly I am not rich enough either. LOL
All I can really say is that for me, ABS0 is more like what I feel when I drive on track trying to push the enveloppe than with ABS1.

 

[Lewis_Hamilton_]

Will have a ABS 0 public room open tonight at about 8pm, there will be some of my league mates in there with me but everyone is welcome

Thanks for letting me join, great room. Everyone is very fast and very clean, and the sort of room where you're always kept on your toes. Small mistakes were very costly, snapping the car and losing a second in a sector could drop you several positions. Great stuff. Any wins were never easily achieved, and sometimes keeping pace with the leaders seemed unachievable. 👍

You and your friends are some of the fastest I've raced against.

 

[VBR]

like you I have driven on track, but unlike you, only with various street cars on track days. I agree, GT5 isn't entirely realistic with ABS either on or off...

I agree. 👍

 

[CJSpencer77]

Thanks for letting me join, great room. Everyone is very fast and very clean, and the sort of room where you're always kept on your toes. Small mistakes were very costly, snapping the car and losing a second in a sector could drop you several positions. Great stuff. Any wins were never easily achieved, and sometimes keeping pace with the leaders seemed unachievable. 👍

You and your friends are some of the fastest I've raced against.

Excellent , thx for the kind words, your welcome anytime m8.

We have 3 spots open in TheAutomotiveMayhem.com league 2, lol as soon as you left the rest of the guys were saying get him to join !!!!! you are the kind of racer we always try to get to join, if you were interested in some really close league racing let me know, if not then no worries, league racing isnt for everyone but like i said your always welcome to join us for some casual races any time.

 

[nostuner03]

I was doing some racing in a room today and when I had ABS off and I was able to race fine. Turn ABS on, and now my car has understeer. ABS never again.

 

[Cote Dazur]

I was doing some racing in a room today and when I had ABS off and I was able to race fine. Turn ABS on, and now my car has understeer. ABS never again.

What car and on what tyres was it, did you have the same BB with and without ABS?

 

[CJSpencer77]

I was doing some racing in a room today and when I had ABS off and I was able to race fine. Turn ABS on, and now my car has understeer. ABS never again.

Lol, i have exactly the same thing, its just that you have got used to the more oversteery feel of ABS 0 when u turn ABS 1 back on all of a sudden the car will not turn in the same, like a lot of us you are now ABS 0 for life lol

 

[nostuner03]

What car and on what tyres was it, did you have the same BB with and without ABS?

It was a '12 FR-S at 505pp with sports mediums and racing hards. BB with ABS at 0 is, F3 R1. With ABS on I use F6 R3. If I use that balance with no ABS, its impossible to even use the brakes past 30% even with my Fanatec CSR pedals.

 

[Cote Dazur]

It was a '12 FR-S at 505pp with sports mediums and racing hards. BB with ABS at 0 is, F3 R1. With ABS on I use F6 R3. If I use that balance with no ABS, its impossible to even use the brakes past 30% even with my Fanatec CSR pedals.

Thank you for sharing, like you my experience of driving with ABS0 is that it affects more than the braking, it changes the behavior of the car even when not braking, proof that ABS in GT5 is just an other assist and not just having ABS brakes like we would expect from our real life cars.
I even find the assist particularely obvious when driving a challenging car, like the Yellow Bird.
Like you I use the Fanatec load cell pedals. My favorite ABS0 settings, depending on tyre type, are 3/0, 4/0 and 4/1. When driving with ABS1 I use 5/5. I never notice that changing the BB with ABS on as a significant effect on the car handling behavior except if you go too low and then you might be lacking brake power.

 

[NCRthree]

Lol, i have exactly the same thing, its just that you have got used to the more oversteery feel of ABS 0 when u turn ABS 1 back on all of a sudden the car will not turn in the same, like a lot of us you are now ABS 0 for life lol

Heh, had the same experience last night. I'd bought a bunch of new Ferrari's for the seasonal and didn't remember to turn ABS off. Wondered why my Enzo wouldn't rotate on Toscana.

 

[nostuner03]

I never notice that changing the BB with ABS on as a significant effect on the car handling behavior except if you go too low and then you might be lacking brake power.

I used to use it to either create understeer or create oversteer.

 

[Cote Dazur]

I used to use it to either create understeer or create oversteer.

So as an example 8/2 would create understeer and 2/8 oversteer?

 

[nostuner03]

Yes exactly. For drifting I used to use, with ABS on, BB of F3 R8. For racing I did the opposite with varying BB levels.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

So as an example 8/2 would create understeer and 2/8 oversteer?

BB can alter cars behavior when entering a corner, 10/6 for me on most FR will give great balance, 10/7 or 10/8, the rear will let loose when trail braking aggressively. On MR, RR or FF cars, 10/7 to 10/9 are usually the best for me, it gives great rotation and helped eliminate the push when the front starts to go red at the expense of losing slight rear traction.

 

[Doodle]

I do race with no ABS on occasion but only if everyone else uses it and it's spec racing.

 

[Litchi]

Heyyyyyyyy, I finally found your ABS 0 thread Spencer ahah.

Well, I always run ABS 0 since a month now. Even when other in the room use ABS. That's not a big deal for me. Most important for me is to have fun and I have with ABS off.
Even with my little DS3

And to guys who love to run ABS off, would be cool to see you tomorrow at The Ultimate Test (link in my Sig) 👍

 

[CJSpencer77]

Hey Litchi, are you hosting the room for that race tommorow?

 

[Litchi]

yes sir. It'll be in an open lobby, room number will be posted in the thread

 

[FoxHound]

ABS=0 user reporting here.

Really, i can't play with ABS=1 anymore.

 

[Slatz]

I'm looking forward for abs zero too.
Abs1 is like driving with tcs...

 

[BJhartopp]

Im running in a regular weekly race series that doesnt alloy for any car aids. It is tricky at the start but like others have said, sort the BB and diff tune out and its just like driving with ABS 1.... check out world league racing!!!

 

[Madbigdog]

No ABS here as well for quite a long time now! Started trying the ABS off in GT5, but then I started playing a lot of F1 2010 with all aids off, and got used to the tricks to keep the wheels turning while braking! Meanwhile, got back to GT5 and no ABS, and it turned out quite well! Can't drive with ABS anymore, feels strange, not having to manage the brakes strenght input! Great fun!

 

[nostuner03]

I was trying to do the C7 'Vette seasonal with ABS on cause I figure the real test one has ABS but, I couldn't for the life of me finish a clean lap. So I turned ABS off, like I've been doing these past weeks, and I was able to pull off a 7:40.095. Good enough for 694th in the world(At the moment). It was hard cause I could only use 25-30% braking power 'cause of the 5-5 BB.

 

[JEMcG]

I think if a car has ABS in real life then you should just use ABS in the game. Can ABS be turned off in real life?

 

[Morgoth_666]

I think if a car has ABS in real life then you should just use ABS in the game. Can ABS be turned off in real life?

Yes.

I have no idea however whether ABS-enabled cars in real life have brake biases that rely so heavily on the things ABS does to the point of making it virtually impossible to drive them hard without it the way GT5 has them all set up by default. I suspect not.

And of course the "real car with ABS --> GT5 car with ABS" argument isn't really valid since ABS in the game is quite different from real-world ABS systems. As someone recently said, it's not really accurate to the real thing whether you drive with or without ABS. Part of this is because of the simple fact that the tires themselves do not behave very much like real-world tires.

 

[ECGadget]

Depends on how I am racing, sometimes I use ABS, sometimes I don't. I like it without though, it's great fun!

 

[CJSpencer77]

When i get in this evening i will be hosting a public ABS 0 room, clean drivers please feel free to come join, ill be on at about 9pm.

We are also looking to take two new drivers on to our league, the web site is in my signiture below, we always have very good atendance and very good racing, let me know if your interested in a ABS 0 league.