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For some reason today’s Jan 6 Hearings reminded me of this talk done by Tony Schwartz about 10 days ahead of the 2016 election.

Reminder, Tony Schwartz was the guy who ghost-wrote “The Art of the Deal” for Trump. In preparing for the book, he saw a lot of Trump and got to understand his deeply flawed psyche

The whole talk is worth listening to, but let me direct you to the part where he presciently says “Trump will never concede” and he’ll simply go to “anger”

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Trump is like the Fonz in some ways. He can't admit he is wrong.
 
I'm writing a letter to the editor of my local newspaper, in which I actually find the "realpolitik" of Biden choosing to visit Saudi leader MBS admirable. Realism is what we need more of in politics, none of this theatrical drek and empty promises from everybody.
 
Criticism of the Republican party and a Republican administration in the 1980s:


I ****ing love that man.

I actually quoted* from this bit regarding the FCC:

"The FCC, the Federal Communications Commission, decided all by itself that radio and television were the only two parts of American life not protected by the free speech provisions of the First Amendment to the Constitution. I'd like to repeat that because it sounds vaguely important! The FCC, an appointed body, not elected, answerable only to the president, decided on its own that radio and television were the only two parts of American life not protected by the First Amendment to the Constitution.

Why did they decide that? Because they got a letter from a minister in Mississippi! A Reverend Donald Wildmon in Mississippi heard something on the radio that he didn't like! Well, Reverend, did anyone ever tell you there are two knobs on the radio? Of course, I'm sure the reverend isn't that comfortable with anything that has two knobs on it, but hey, Reverend, there are two knobs on the radio; one of 'em turns the radio off, and the other one...changes the station!

Imagine that, Reverend, you can actually change the station! It's called freedom of choice, and it's one of the principles this country was founded upon. Look it up in the library, Reverend, if you have any of them left when you finish burning all the books!"


-- George Carlin
*I'd forgotten that you actually remarked on it at the time, so this is for anyone else who may be interested.
 
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I'm not sure how credible the evidence is on this, but would anyone be surprised?
 
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This is not an accident, but it is an attack on democracy...

RENO, Nevada -- A former state lawmaker who has been repeating the false claims that the 2020 election was stolen from former President Donald Trump won the Republican nomination Tuesday for Nevada secretary of state, the office that oversees elections in the perennial presidential battleground.

 
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I'm not sure how credible the evidence is on this, but would anyone be surprised?
I thought it was too far fetched, but I caught some comments on Reddit that this is the group that exposed Madison & said they'd go after Boebert next.


That last point made about Jayson Boebert having a consulting contract w/o experience though, is something I've seen talked about before.
 
I thought it was too far fetched, but I caught some comments on Reddit that this is the group that exposed Madison & said they'd go after Boebert next.


That last point made about Jayson Boebert having a consulting contract w/o experience though, is something I've seen talked about before.
I'd say they should go after MTG next. The issue is that she's proving extremely easy to just laugh at for being incomptent than purely evil (she's both, but).
 
I'd say they should go after MTG next. The issue is that she's proving extremely easy to just laugh at for being incomptent than purely evil (she's both, but).
She provides everyone with a little comic relief in these dark times. 👍

If she started wearing a cap 'n' bells she could finish the look.
 
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This is not an accident, but it is an attack on democracy...

RENO, Nevada -- A former state lawmaker who has been repeating the false claims that the 2020 election was stolen from former President Donald Trump won the Republican nomination Tuesday for Nevada secretary of state, the office that oversees elections in the perennial presidential battleground.

We're quickly heading towards a scenario where elections aren't going to matter anymore. People like him are getting into these positions where they can just choose their own outcome regardless of what the actual vote count was. Plus Republican held state legislatures are going to send Republican electors to certify the vote even if their state overwhelmingly went Democratic.
 
Crenshaw is a strange one. He's bold enough to act just as silly & dumb like Cruz on an open online stage (Twitter), yet when it comes to meeting his party's base, he'll become much more neutral & remind them, "Well, we can't actually do that".
 
I notice Proud Boys leader Alex Stein is keen to point out that he's the real victim despite the video proving the opposite. Another große Lüge.

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For context, police released a video of an officer falling to the ground after suspected exposure to fentanyl. A local investigative reporter tweets out an exclusive without actually investigating the incident. Every ER doctor and field medical responder questions it, pointing out that fentanyl doesn’t do that, the symptoms don’t correspond to fentanyl exposure, and it looks much more like a panic attack. The investigative reporter doubles down by simply regurgitating more police PR.

It’s been zero days since the last deployment of this meme, and yet here we are.
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The testimony under oath that the tweet refers to isn't alleged.
It isn't, but there are some questions revolving around her testimony. But now I read more about the case, than I care to know. :lol:

 

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UH-OH!!!
Twitter. Added. Content. To. His. Content.
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I look forward to another conservative bitchfit about some absurd notion of censorship whereby a private actor incapable of real censorship (because "censorship" in this context is actually just expression) "censors" without removing or limiting access to content.

Of course because I've pointed out the inanity of this, I suppose one may henceforth refrain from the aforementioned bitchfit. Or one may not. God I hope one does not.

I find this part of the aforementioned bitchfit especially entertaining, specifically because of the many obvious holes:

No they don't, They are not the speakers, the users are. The users create the content, they don't. That is the whole reason why they are exempt from lawsuits by section 230. They are the platform, the bulletin board, the town square, the telephone. They do not get to say what is said.

If it is against their rules, like porn, they have a say. If there is illegality, then they should call the law.
They avail their services as a host to content entirely at their discretion.

They are not exempt from lawsuits, by section 230 or anything else.

Section 230 is the codification of distributor liability (which isn't absolute) for interactive computer services (of which Twitter and Facebook are examples, but so are Yelp, NextDoor and, yes, even GTPlanet). The reason distributor liability (contrasted with publisher liability) is appropriate for interactive computer services is they can't reasonably be expected to determine if something is unprotected speech. The overwhelming majority of what's unprotected on these platforms, particularly after the well-intended but poorly executed FOSTA/SESTA, is libel. There's also likely to be copyright concerns (and this is being tackled horribly overseas, with end-to-end encryption taking a hit). Even absent the sheer volume of posts on the major platforms, private actors can't reasonably be expected to determine if speech is unprotected.

Yes, they are a platform. They're not the platform, because competition exists.

They are sort of like a bulletin board, especially one offered by a private actor. They're not the "bulletin board." Like a bulletin board, it can't be expected to be availed to every form of protected expression. A notice of a kegger may not remain posted to a board on private property utilized for Alcoholics Anonymous meetings. A notice regarding a gay and lesbian alliance may not remain posted to a board on the grounds of a private Catholic school. These are but examples. No expression is protected against private action.

They're definitely not the town square. The town square still exists. The comparison with the town square began with those who know better, deceitfully and unscrupulously seizing on the ignorance of an idiot base, invoking, in effect, the holding in Marsh v. Alabama wherein the individual's expression is protected against private action when a private actor avails premises traditionally availed by the state (sidewalks, as in Marsh, or a supposed town square) though the town was built and owned by a private company (Gulf Oil) to fulfill the needs of its employees. The comparison is also made with a broadly similar (to Marsh) holding in PruneYard (a shopping mall). Curiously (except it's not that curious because it's of no help), the comparison isn't made with the holding in Halleck, which was applied narrowly but offers a more direct comparison being that it wasn't physical property, rather it was a public access cable channel. The conservative SCOTUS, in a majority opinion written by Justice Kavanaugh, sided with the property owner rather than the individual.

It's also not the telephone. The telephone is a communications carrier (it carries communication from one point to another) rather than an information service provider (hosting information made continuously available provided conditions are met). This was the basis for the conservative SCOTUS [appropriately] allowing the FCC to kill "net neutrality."

It's true that "they don't get to say what is said." They don't actually have any input regarding what is said. Users do. They (the service providers) absolutely do get to say what stays up. It's the First Amendment to the United States Constitution that allows them to exercise this discretion. Conservatives hate that the First Amendment (indeed the Bill of Rights on the whole) constrains them and protects anyone other than them.

They have a say, whether it's against their rules or not. Their rules are just a guide. They aren't compelled to permit everything that isn't against their rules (and they aren't compelled to remove anything that is); what prevents them from being so compelled is, again, the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. By the way, "they" also necessarily includes the likes of "Truth," "Frank," "Gab," "Parler," et al.

The bitchfit I've addressed here is from the middle of 2020, when worthless Trumpers were throwing their bitchfits about their bronzer daddy getting called out on his lies. In stark contrast, the following from the same Trumper was from just three years earlier.

They should be allowed to control what is hosted on their servers.
This specifically referred to Google and YouTube, but Twitter and Facebook are necessarily included.

They've obviously since lost the ****ing plot.

As for Greitens, the ad is likely to be protected expression. If considered incitement, it doesn't meet the imminence requirement (absent imminence, the individual's agency is rightly considered the motivator of lawlessness).



I think I'm a [mostly] reasonable person, and it strikes me as hyperbole. So while I think it's awful, I think it's probably (and should be) lawful.

He's definitely still ****ing vermin.

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