Anyone else tired of this?

[juniordee]

That may be all fine and dandy...but this is much more relevant to the executives at Sony than a speedtest.net report;

http://www.weforum.org/en/initiatives/gcp/Global Information Technology Report/index.htm

Factor in things like the growing US pop, 75% net penetration, a very high standard of living, and you start to see how important the US is to a business.

If you want to understand 'why' a large company may or may not do something - you have to think like a board member or officer of a large company. The US is #3 on the list of top countries and is easily the largest country, by both population and area, out of the top 10.

If you have a couple hours to burn, the report is quite interesting...

Yeah after a good night's sleep, i re read your post and only now realized you were talking about total population and not average speed. Note to self: don't post when tired 👍

 

[Dravonic]

The sound is every GT trailer has been cosmetic and does not represent the ingame sound.
I do agree with some other points you made, but for the sound, I really wouldn't count on it...

Well I can only hope it's the in-game sound since it's only a trailer and the only amazing sound sample we have. But who knows... it can be the real deal.

 

[V8_Vantage]

You're right.
Say for example, you go into a shop to buy the newest iPod.
The shop say, "We'll have it in stock in a week."
Well, that's fine, but then you go back in a week, and ask for the iPod,
they say, "We'll have it in six months."
Now, like many other in this case, iPod users, you're getting a bit tired of it, but you go back to the shops and ask for it again, after seeing strong evidence it will be in before the year is out. (Referring to the 4thQ of 2009 Sony sheet) and they still don't have it.
In a shop that kind of wait is unacceptable, but why do we tolerate it in the game world?
If Sony didn't know when GT5 would be ready, why did he say it would be out by 2008? He shouldn't have got our hopes up at all.
Basically, Sony, in the unlikely event that you are reading this, learn from your mistakes, and don't give out false release dates.

 

[Fredzy]

TrievelA7X, the problem here is not PD, it's SCEA. They treat us the american way because it's the north american division of sony entertainment, some times, too many, they act with arrogance, just like your post did, that's all there is to it, SCEA is the product of its environment, like everything else.

Yea if people are going to cry and complain they should at least be crying to the proper party - Sony.. not PD. Guys in suits f'in with our happiness.

 

[F2007 PSP]

It will depend on how good it will be. If it's really stunning, you won't hear me complaining.

 

[Dravonic]

You're right.
Say for example, you go into a shop to buy the newest iPod.
The shop say, "We'll have it in stock in a week."
Well, that's fine, but then you go back in a week, and ask for the iPod,
they say, "We'll have it in six months."
Now, like many other in this case, iPod users, you're getting a bit tired of it, but you go back to the shops and ask for it again, after seeing strong evidence it will be in before the year is out. (Referring to the 4thQ of 2009 Sony sheet) and they still don't have it.
In a shop that kind of wait is unacceptable, but why do we tolerate it in the game world?
If Sony didn't know when GT5 would be ready, why did he say it would be out by 2008? He shouldn't have got our hopes up at all.
Basically, Sony, in the unlikely event that you are reading this, learn from your mistakes, and don't give out false release dates.

They never did it. The only date we were given is March 2010 for Japan.

You should learn from your mistakes. Don't get your hopes up with speculation. That's all we had before they gave us the release date.

 

[juniordee]

They never did it. The only date we were given is March 2010 for Japan.

You should learn from your mistakes. Don't get your hopes up with speculation. That's all we had before they gave us the release date.

You beat me to it!

People will never be 100% satisfied with a product. If the wait is too long, they call the developers lazy. If the releases in 2 years, everyone is happy until they actually play the game and then they complain about the glitches, lack of content, etc. I don't mind waiting 5 years for the game that I will probably play the most for the next couple years.

Keep in mind PD had to build a completely new engine for GT5, and that takes time. Most developers use pre-built engines like Unreal Engine 3, Cry Engine 2 (3 now) to name a few. All they have to do is tweak the engines to their likings.

 

[humpus]

They never did it. The only date we were given is March 2010 for Japan.

You should learn from your mistakes. Don't get your hopes up with speculation. That's all we had before they gave us the release date.

Yes they did. Q4 2009 was written on flyers, distributed at a German gameshow.

See?

 

[juniordee]

Yes they did. Q4 2009 was written on flyers, distributed at a German gameshow.

See?

That was just a big mistake. That date wasn't released by either Sony, nor PD. Just a big mistake. You can't blame Sony or PD for what other people do.

 

[arvin charles]

They never did it. The only date we were given is March 2010 for Japan.

You should learn from your mistakes. Don't get your hopes up with speculation. That's all we had before they gave us the release date.

I'd like to point out that there's always the possibility that they won't make that March 2010 deadline...

I keep thinking that we could be jinxing ourselves by repeating the "There's no delay, the only date we've been given is 03/2010."

 

[juniordee]

I'd like to point out that there's always the possibility that they won't make that March 2010 deadline...

I keep thinking that we could jinxing ourselves by repeating the "There's no delay, the only date we've been given is 03/2010."

There's always that possibility, but so far it is true, there hasn't been any delays. I rather stay optimist than pessimist.

 

[Dravonic]

Yes they did. Q4 2009 was written on flyers, distributed at a German gameshow.

See?

What is exactly written there? At the left of "4. Quartal 2009". Could be something like: "expected release" or something of the sort. Unless "Release date" is written, it's still speculation.

 

[Dave A]

Q4 2009 on the fiscal calender would include March 2010. That German game show was a games industry trade show, not a public show. That date could be the lunar calender or it could be the fiscal calender, we don't know, but since the announced date is in Q4 2009 of the fiscal calender we cannot complain that an unexplained date on a flyer we were not meant to see is wrong.

 

[Seismica]

The sound is every GT trailer has been cosmetic and does not represent the ingame sound.
I do agree with some other points you made, but for the sound, I really wouldn't count on it...

Yeah, but only in relation to GT5P and various demos which are old builds of the game (although how old we do not know. The SEMA demo must be around 3-4 months old and thats the newest build we've seen.)

The new Demo released on the 17th should shed light on what the sound will be like. If they are improving the sounds for the ingame, a worldwide demo with only 2 cars would be the best place to show it.

I'm optimistic, but it makes no odds to me, sound effects do not make or break the game (unless there is none at all, or they have been arranged by an idiot and don't match the action that creates the sound, like a whistle making the sound of a hacksaw or something)

 

[humpus]

What is exactly written there? At the left of "4. Quartal 2009". Could be something like: "expected release" or something of the sort. Unless "Release date" is written, it's still speculation.

https://www.gtplanet.net/gran-turismo-5s-q4-2009-release-date-confirmed/

For those of you out there who still aren’t convinced of Gran Turismo 5’s pending 2009 release date, take a look at the game’s official brochure handed out at last week’s GamesCom convention. Snapped by RiseOfGames, the brochure was quickly translated by forum users – but you don’t have to be fluent in German to figure out what “4. Quartel 2009″ means.

So there you have it.

Yeah, but only in relation to GT5P and various demos which are old builds of the game (although how old we do not know. The SEMA demo must be around 3-4 months old and thats the newest build we've seen.)

The new Demo released on the 17th should shed light on what the sound will be like. If they are improving the sounds for the ingame, a worldwide demo with only 2 cars would be the best place to show it.

I'm optimistic, but it makes no odds to me, sound effects do not make or break the game (unless there is none at all, or they have been arranged by an idiot and don't match the action that creates the sound, like a whistle making the sound of a hacksaw or something)

Like I already said: the sound won't make or break the game for me either, I'm just fairly convinced that it won't be much (or any) better than the sound in Prologue. I'm a big GT fan, but I have to admit PD (or Sony if you wish) has let me down more than once with false hopes.

 

[Dave A]

Doesn't change what I wrote though does it? The date had no context, nor was there an anouncement made. That brochure was not intended for the publics eyes. either. So no announcment, not public date given or displayed anywhere = no official release date.

 

[TokyoDrift]

They never did it. The only date we were given is March 2010 for Japan.

You should learn from your mistakes. Don't get your hopes up with speculation. That's all we had before they gave us the release date.

Agreed - the only launch details officially published in writing are what you quoted there. Anybody else getting in a huff about "false this" and "delayed that" really need to get a dictionary out.

 

[V8_Vantage]

They never did it. The only date we were given is March 2010 for Japan.

You should learn from your mistakes. Don't get your hopes up with speculation. That's all we had before they gave us the release date.

No, actually, they said the original release date was 2008, then it got delayed several times, and then Sony say it will be out in the fourth quarter of 2009, and, now, as the young people say: Pwned.

 

[humpus]

That brochure was not intended for the publics eyes. either.

The brochure was handed out specifically to the public.

An official leaflet handed out during GamesCom lists the racer for a Q4 release and also states the racing title will feature over 1000 cars.

Also Nascar and WRC were confirmed in this leaflet.

As for the announcement: Nobody even talked about GT5 at the press conference that day, true.

The thing is, the fans are getting their hopes up for nothing, more than once.
You can call it inmature or whatever you like, but there are a lot of people out there getting exited by rumors and speculations about possible release dates. Some of these rumors are spread by PD and Sony, others were pure speculation.

But PD and Sony should just say: it's done when it's done. Every release date you see is unconfirmed, we haven't announced anything.

Instead all we get is: silence. There has been more content about GT5 posted by users, than by PD or Sony.

Example: the upcoming demo of GT5. The amount of questions this announcement brought with it is simple unacceptable.

 

[Dravonic]

https://www.gtplanet.net/gran-turismo-5s-q4-2009-release-date-confirmed/


So there you have it.

2 big words being translated as "Release"? Possible, but it's not looking very accurate to me. Could still have an "expected" to it. Either way, Dave A has a valid point: "4th quarter 2009" was never officially announced.

No, actually, they said the original release date was 2008, then it got delayed several times, and then Sony say it will be out in the fourth quarter of 2009, and, now, as the young people say: Pwned.

None of which was official. They said it would but never gave an official date. I won't say I totally agree with what they did but I've learned that in the gaming world only the official date (the one they make an official announcement and people scream everywhere: "the official date!". Not some flyer or retail website or whatever) is the one that is valid. So I don't really have a problem with uncertain/speculated/unofficial dates.

 

[guitar421]

It's best that it ships when done because the whole process takes 5-6 years. It will be another 5-6 years before GT6 releases after GT5. If GT5 has flaws and problems we will have to live with them for a very long time if fixes are not easily patchable. I would like it done yesterday but if rushing makes the product into NFS: Shift then I am inclined to wait.

On another note does anyone have a guess if the save files for the JP release will be compatible with the US release. If I pick up the JP release to play for the six months before the US release will I be able to read my save files in the US release or do I need to start over again? I don't think this question can be answered for sure until both releases come out (making the point moot) but did this ability appear (or not appear) in GT5P or GT4?

 

[Dave A]

The brochure was handed out specifically to the public.

Do you realise that the show the leaflet was printed for and distributed at was a trade show and not a public expo?

Also Nascar and WRC where confirmed in this leaflet.

They were confirmed long before that leaflet.

As for the announcement: Nobody even talked about GT5 at the press conference that day, true.

True, but the only point I think you are making is a flawed one. No announcment at all doesn't confirm one thing is correct. There wasn't an announcment at all until we got the March 2010 date, in other words the only announced release date so far hs been March 2010 for the NTSC-J release.

The thing is, the fans are getting their hopes up for nothing, more than once.

Some fans are, some fans arn't. I've never taken any specualted release date as fact, the first date I took as fact was March 2010, becuse it's the first date announced by PD. No doubt GT5 has been delayed internally, but that's to be expected with a big release and it wouldn't make GT5 any different to a lot of other big titles.

You can call it inmature or whatever you like, but there are a lot of people out there getting exited by rumors and speculations about possible release dates. Some of these rumors are spread by PD and Sony, others were pure speculation.

Nope, release date wise anyway it's all been specualtion. Some people don't realise that until something is confirmed, it's confirmed. Some people even now are expecting more than 16 cars on track for the NASCAR races, but despite there being absolutely nothing to suggest that will be the case and that the technical barriers would make this hugely unlikey they inist that they will be dissapointed if that's not the case. Now is that PD or Sonys fault or is it the fans expectation?

But PD and Sony should just say: it's done when it's done. Every release date you see is unconfirmed, we haven't announced anything.

They pretty much did, at the end of the day if you believe a release date before the date has actually been announced that is not PD's fault if you end up dissapointed when it turns out to be wrong.

Besides, as I keep saying, if that date is referring to the fiscal year it's not even wrong.

 

[humpus]

Good thing I understand German. It says: geplante Veröffentlichtung, which means 'scheduled release date'. And if a date on a (I can't stress this enough) official leaflet can't be trusted, then I don't know.
However, it means this date wasn't final, just a goal. But it does mean that the release date has been moved.

 

[humpus]

Besides, as I keep saying, if that date is referring to the fiscal year it's not even wrong.

Except for the fact that Germany lies in Europe and not in Japan.
But let's just stop here before this thread becomes a 2-way discussion.

 

[Dravonic]

Good thing I understand German. It says: geplante Veröffentlichtung, which means 'scheduled release date'. And if a date on a (I can't stress this enough) official leaflet can't be trusted, then I don't know.
However, it means this date wasn't final, just a goal. But it does mean that the release date has been moved.

I suppose. Well, I believe this is the only thing they did wrong then. Could easily be a screw up though. Wouldn't be the first one from the Sony marketing team.

 

[Northstar]

Except for the fact that Germany lies in Europe and not in Japan.
But let's just stop here before this thread becomes a 2-way discussion.

Germany's fiscal year still isn't the calender year. I'm not 100% positive but I don't think it's that far off of Japan's.

 

[ItsHim]

Germany's fiscal year still isn't the calender year. I'm not 100% positive but I don't think it's that far off of Japan's.

The "Fiscal year" is entirely up to the company in Germany.

 

[Seismica]

The "Fiscal year" is entirely up to the company in Germany.

Would be silly not to tie it in with the National Financial year though, it means they have to publish annual accounts twice.

 

[H20HYBRID_GT]

I'm completely with the OP, even if there are some flaws in his reasoning...
It's just crazy to let the fans wait so long, I really thought GT5 would be released within a year after Prologue, but oh, was I wrong there... what's funny that game isn't even fun, I don't know why I still play it sometimes, I guess it's because I'm a really big GT fan. Anyway like others I lost faith, will probably still buy GT5, but that's maybe the last one then. Nice marketing!


PS: I had quite a few messages on PSN asking why I (still) play GT5P, kinda embarassing, but I had to tell them IDK and agreed it's boring. lol

Just saying, there might aren't as many fans left anymore as you may think.

 

[Dave A]

Would be silly not to tie it in with the National Financial year though, it means they have to publish annual accounts twice.

What has it got to do with accounts? EDIT: Ignore that, I didn't get the right meaning of what you said until ItsHim replied just below.

Anyway, I'm not sure what the German fiscal year is, but March is definitely Q4 of ours.

That's all irrelevnt anyway, it's still a leaflet intended for trade only.
For the record, I firmly believe that GT5 was scheduled internally for a December 2009 release, but that's not the same as them announcing a December 2009 release date and then letting it slip. But the fact remains Merch 2010 is the first and to daet only official release date announced by PD.

Was it in any way dissapointing to hear it wasn't being released this month? Yes. Am I going to get hung up about hoping for a release date that wasn't announced? Not at all.