"Blue Devil" News: Test Details Roll In
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Anyway, I don't find the Corvette lineup confusing, though I forgot all about the Magnaride suspension. I just think they should organize the performance tiers differently. I'm not familiar with any historic value of the Z51 name, so it is less important to me. Sting Ray doesn't scream "race car Ferrari fighter". The Z06 was not only once a kickass race car but it has made an amazing rep for itself as a performance street car since it was launched a while back. I think the Z06 should be the top dog of the lineup, as the name has a racing and high performance history and modern reputation. I would consider the Z06 and Corvette nearly two seperate models, while the Sting Ray is just a hi-po Corvetter.
I guess my point it that the Z51 name isn't all that important, so it should be replaced by the Sting Ray name. Of course, it wouldn't get the publicity of the Z06, but I don't care. If they insist upon a Vette with better credentials than the Z06 I'd rather they call it the Blue Devil.
I guess my point it that the Z51 name isn't all that important, so it should be replaced by the Sting Ray name. Of course, it wouldn't get the publicity of the Z06, but I don't care. If they insist upon a Vette with better credentials than the Z06 I'd rather they call it the Blue Devil.
Once again, keep in mind that, despite what getting it entails, "Z51" isn't really an official seperate model (neither are the Magnaride-equipped 'Vettes). Also, the original Z06 tag didn't nearly carry the same force as the Sting Ray tag. The Z06 was a rare one-off, while Sting Ray WAS the Corvette for a long time; it deserves no less after all this time, IMHO.
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I realize it's an important name. But Z06 has become the performance name for Corvettes. Sting Ray is out, Z06 is in. I'm starting to think that GM and other American car companies need to retire a few names--they have too many to play with and things are getting cluttered. Have you ever thought about how many cars would be awesome in a modern interpretation? You can't have everything. The name Sting Ray not only doesn't scream "exotic killer", but it also feels old and outdated to me. Especially when I think about the 70s models, ughh.
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No, the Z06-R is a race car based on the Z06, the C6R is a different model to the Z06. But the Z06-R already exists in motorsport, it's not a good name for a road car imo, it has nothing to do with road going Corvettes, but the StingRay name does, I think it's a good choice.
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I dont like the sting ray name, because with all the eposure the Z06 has gotten all around the world they should market a model up from it as a hopped up version. Z06-R sounds good to me, more power and hopefully lighter.
Nothing has stopped other companies, namely german ones to name theyre cars after the race going versions.
Porsche does it, audi does it and BMW does too. And those models were high in demand.
Nothing has stopped other companies, namely german ones to name theyre cars after the race going versions.
Porsche does it, audi does it and BMW does too. And those models were high in demand.
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And so your saying it's better to just copy the trend. I dissagree, even as a non-Corvette fan I can see the importance of the StingRay name, I also know that the Z06-R tag has never been used on a factory road car before, and imo it sounds crap for a raod car name, I don't like car names when they just have -R tagged to the end it's an excuse not to have to think of something better imo. A Z06-R badge wouldn't promote the Z06, it would knock the Z06 down. The Z06 isn't meant to be a de-tuned anything, to name the new one a Z06-R your implying that it is detuned regardless of the facts. By naming it StingRay your accomplishing a number of things, firlts keeping an important name in the brand and model range, secondly your not implying the Z06 is detuned, and then linked to that, your marketing the StingRay as a seperate model to the Z06 rather than simply a tuned one.
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no M3 GTR came out after the normal M3 plus they have different enginesPoverty
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The M3 GTR was built for one purpose, and one purpose only, to homologate the M3 GTR race cars. Two very different reasons for buildng the cars. Cheverolet aqrn't being forced to make the StingRay to allow the C6R's to race, the Z06's homologate thoes, for Chevy to market the StingRay as a better tuned Z06 would reflect badly on the Z06 from a marketing sense, like I said, the facts don't matter. Marketing and facts don't have to agree. Calling it the StingRay now marketing wise, puts as a different model as opposed to a tuned Z06, doing that works to a: prevent people looking at the Z06 as a lesser StingRay and b: prevent people looking at the more expensive StingRay as a slightly more powerful Z06 and nothing more.
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No, a M3 GTR strasse is a detuned version of a GTR. That or a M3 CSL.Poverty
A 911 Carrera S is the detuned GT3, yes as is the Turbo to a GT2. The GT3 is just a cheaper track car of the GT2 and is based on another model as stated.
But Z06-R sounds like a race car. When people see the C6R, they see a race car. If they hear Z06-R, they'll probably think a Z06 race car.
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A few things:
1) The "Sting Ray" name was given to ALL Corvettes from 1963 to 1982, as it defined the body style, and it had absolutely nothing to do with the performance of the car.
2) The Z06-R is a very different animal from the C6-R, but both were developed closely with the Z06 Strasse, and it is often said that with very little modification, the Z06 Strasse could be retrofitted to compete as a C6-R.
3) The problem with adding the "R" designation to the Chevrolet is that it has never been done before, and because a majority of Americans don't give a lick about FIA or ALMS racing (stupid, IMO), they most likely won't be able to make the connection to the racecar themselves.
...Hence why the Sting Ray title has returned. Of course, they may be using it wrong, but I'm okay with it, even as a Corvette fan. Maybe for the hell of it they should just call it the "Mako" like they entitled the origional high-performance C2 concept from 1962 (or was it 1961?)... That way it doesn't use the Sting Ray name wrong, keep the "shark" attitude, and don't piss off any more people.
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They may have been developed together but they are not the same car, the C6-R is built around a lighter structure to the Z06's, while there is a lot of technology in the Z06 that come from developing the C6-R, the C6-R is more than just a tuned Z06, a lot more. It would require an entire rebuild and a hell of a lot of cash to modift a Z06 into a C6-R, then you have the suspension, the state of tune the engine is at, the electronics etc, always take comments like that with a pinch of salt. You don't turn a 60k road car into a several hundered thousand pound race car with only a little modification. The Z06-R on the other hand is literally, a race tuned Z06 built on the standard sub frame and mounting points. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's the impression I've got, finding information on the structure and build of a currently competing race car isn't the easier car info to find.YSSMAN
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...Where the hell is BX when you need him? He did some work or something with the Corvette when it was being developed...
I know that the Z06 and C6-R were developed side-by-side at the same time, and essentially use the same carbon-fiber/aluminum construction, and the differences between the street LS7 and that used in the race car are aparently not as big as what we all think.
Do I know everything there is to know about the cars? Not even close! I'm just restating what I have herd.
I know that the Z06 and C6-R were developed side-by-side at the same time, and essentially use the same carbon-fiber/aluminum construction, and the differences between the street LS7 and that used in the race car are aparently not as big as what we all think.
Do I know everything there is to know about the cars? Not even close! I'm just restating what I have herd.
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I know! I know!
Let's Call It "L88!"
Let's Call It "L88!"
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Whatever the differences betwen the two cars are, we probably won't know until after the last factory run C6-R runs it's last race. Maybe they arn't that big, but trying to find information on the C6-R's construction is difficult leading me to fill in the rather large information gaps myself with guesswork based on my knowledge of how other GTS and GT1 class cars have been constructed that I know of, but the problem is with current rules there's a wider variety of construction methods being used on the race cars.YSSMAN
Strip out the creature comforts, up the Carbon Fiber content, change the airbox to an ALMS/FIA mandated version, put a sequential box in, and alter the suspension components materials/tuning to be more aggressive, and you've turned a Z06 into enough of a clone of a C6R to make any other differences moot.
The cars were literally designed side by side, neither was built first, and they were built to be very similar so there would be no doubt that the C6R was homologated.
The changes between a Z06-R and a C6R could be thought of as the ones between a 911 GT3 street car, and a GT2 Cup Racecar, yes they are there, but you could, with enough money, reduce the differences to basically nothing.
Edit: This should help explain the similarities.
I for one think adding Stingray to the whole lineup, or a Kappa based Stingray, with the top of the line Corvette being a Mako would rock, course, I still think Corvette SuperSport (SS) is the best choice, halo effect and all.
The cars were literally designed side by side, neither was built first, and they were built to be very similar so there would be no doubt that the C6R was homologated.
The changes between a Z06-R and a C6R could be thought of as the ones between a 911 GT3 street car, and a GT2 Cup Racecar, yes they are there, but you could, with enough money, reduce the differences to basically nothing.
Edit: This should help explain the similarities.
I for one think adding Stingray to the whole lineup, or a Kappa based Stingray, with the top of the line Corvette being a Mako would rock, course, I still think Corvette SuperSport (SS) is the best choice, halo effect and all.
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Thanks for that article, it did help a bit especially regarding the engines, but the true spec of the C6-R will still stay out of sight until the cars factory run life is over. I guess they are a lot closer than I thought though.
