<- BTCC-5 -> SEASON COMPLETE - skengdigi is the Champion!
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Deadline for joining/forming a team, and for car choice if you haven't already, is Monday night, 7pm UK time.
Anyone who isn't in a team then will be entered as an Independent for Monza. Anyone who hasn't selected a car at all will be put down for whatever they turn up in at their first race (provided there's space free).
Teams can be formed after Round 1, and if that happens then the drivers involved won't be independent any more. 👍
Pre-season racing set to go in 5 minutes.
Anyone who isn't in a team then will be entered as an Independent for Monza. Anyone who hasn't selected a car at all will be put down for whatever they turn up in at their first race (provided there's space free).
Teams can be formed after Round 1, and if that happens then the drivers involved won't be independent any more. 👍
Pre-season racing set to go in 5 minutes.
Strawman Andy
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Some people need to learn how to drive.
Brake pedal went after stop, no idea why.
VW a pain to drive and the setup has little effect, it's shocking. I am mad at the game.
All in all crap two races, some crap drivers, and a car so dominate that I was super fast....oh wait I wasn't quick. Screw you haters, freaking sick of you.
Brake pedal went after stop, no idea why.
VW a pain to drive and the setup has little effect, it's shocking. I am mad at the game.
All in all crap two races, some crap drivers, and a car so dominate that I was super fast....oh wait I wasn't quick. Screw you haters, freaking sick of you.
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Considering possible weight changes for the Hondas, Alfa, VW and Fords, but I'll wait until after Monza before deciding whether or not to do anything.
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Pmac showed its got good potential 👍
Strawman Andy
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Well Paul got a poll and was up there with the front runners at tokyo
Strawman Andy
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I think the problem with the VW, I'm learning, is that it behaves differently when racing than when you're lapping alone.. in that it's not as good when racing.
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And that he is 👍
Strawman Andy
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It feels inconstitent.
I had no top speed, I could get out of the corners if I got the power down okay, but the Honda's were quicker than me on the straight. Handling was no where to match the other FF cars.
I just feel that the weight kills the speed and the handling isn't on par with other FF. Main problem for me was the handling, top speed wasn't too bad, but the weight really hurts the handling.
The car wouldn't turn in, and I had no grip after three laps.
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Indeed, which is why I think maybe Andy is a more realistic reflection of its pace, although I know you've not had much practice recently, which doesn't help either.
If I was going to change anything, it would most likely be Integra up to 1250 and VW down to 1300, but I want to hold until there's actually been some racing.
Strawman Andy
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Yeah I agree. I haven't touched the VW in about a week, and compared to you guys who test (basically) everyday I haven't done that, probably 2/3 hours testing max. So I am probably behind on setup but still I never normally struggle this much, I was quick out the box in the Honda with less testing too so I don't think I'm "lagging" behind or whatever people thought I was hiding pace.
Integra was quick on the straight, I saw Skeng pull away when he was getting slipstream and so was I but wouldn't say it was too quick, but was definitely a stronger looking car with a much better handling and balance from my view.
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As you said i have been tuning the integra , ive spent way more time with this car than i did with the civic last season .
Also weezys alfa is a better car than mine , i dont think we should change the alfa specs .
I think its way too early to think about changing specs , the vw is a new car and new kind of spec to the series so ofcourse it will shine in some areas and be dull in others .
Also weezys alfa is a better car than mine , i dont think we should change the alfa specs .
I think its way too early to think about changing specs , the vw is a new car and new kind of spec to the series so ofcourse it will shine in some areas and be dull in others .
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Hard to make any judgements after Monza too because as pmac said, VW always trolls there.
I'm mega impressed with Red_Leader's performance in the BMW, as a side note.
How much of this spec discussion is down to the drivers involved? Some are just fast no matter what the conditions.
I'm mega impressed with Red_Leader's performance in the BMW, as a side note.
How much of this spec discussion is down to the drivers involved? Some are just fast no matter what the conditions.
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As I said in the lobby does actually echo most of what Andy says. I normally like the VWs weird handling but it needs a little weight loss, not 50kgs, more like 20. Same for the Teggy it doesn't need 50 added more like 20-30.
The Teggy has the edge pretty much everywhere it has better acceleration and handling, with the same top speed as the VW, which as I said makes it hard to pass even for the VW but visa versa it was relatively easy. And if you think I had it easy spectate while I was following Skeng. I was counter steering and turning back in like a mother *er just to keep control.
What I was saying was Toyko was a power track so the VW should have a little edge there, which it didn't. Therefore on handling tracks it will be left no where, hence the need for a boost, but just a small one.
The Teggy has the edge pretty much everywhere it has better acceleration and handling, with the same top speed as the VW, which as I said makes it hard to pass even for the VW but visa versa it was relatively easy. And if you think I had it easy spectate while I was following Skeng. I was counter steering and turning back in like a mother *er just to keep control.
What I was saying was Toyko was a power track so the VW should have a little edge there, which it didn't. Therefore on handling tracks it will be left no where, hence the need for a boost, but just a small one.
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There is no way the civic/integra has better accel than the vw .
I havent watched any replays yet but i saw how good andy got off the line at suzuka and i also noticed gedi lost positions at tokyo start on the grid position chart .
Honda has poor initial accel , good mid range and top end imo
I havent watched any replays yet but i saw how good andy got off the line at suzuka and i also noticed gedi lost positions at tokyo start on the grid position chart .
Honda has poor initial accel , good mid range and top end imo
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In any case, if any weight changes are to be made, it will be after Round 2, so it covers both the drop scores if one car is very poor.
Strawman Andy
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I have always been good of the line. Last season you seemed to struggle more than me getting off the line. I don't know if that is still the case.
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I need to tune my car a lot MORE if I want to be competitive. The car handles perfectly for me, but it just is so SLOW (slowest car on the field today by far) that I can't even gain time on the corners, even though I'm faster around them than some of the others, due to the lack of power; that was evident at Suzuka and Grand Valley, where I started to pull away a bit before eventually being caught by everyone, and at Tokyo I got left behind very quickly. Hope I don't screw up my first race, at Monza.
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I'm not talking about off the line, I'm talking about acceleration out of the bends..
Standing starts are all about what gears you have, I have always tuned my cars to have traction in 1st gear, as much as I can anyway. (I spend a good 5-10 runs on the speed test 1600m run to fine tune my cars for standing starts)
That VW I was using is the one I have had since it was released as DLC as such it has a pretty decent tune which I change slightly depending on track.
Standing starts are all about what gears you have, I have always tuned my cars to have traction in 1st gear, as much as I can anyway. (I spend a good 5-10 runs on the speed test 1600m run to fine tune my cars for standing starts)
That VW I was using is the one I have had since it was released as DLC as such it has a pretty decent tune which I change slightly depending on track.
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Im not 100 pct sure but even a small weight change like 10 to 20 kg could change the performance drastically of the hondas .
I can only speak on them because i only use them , i think stage 3 weight reduction wouldnt be possible anymore and this would change the balance of the car .
I did a lot of testing with the hondas using stage 2 and stage 3 weight reduction and different weight distributions on different integras (4 diff cars in all) and i find that the performance varies about 4 to 5 tenths depending which combo you choose .
It is really hard to try and make the cars perfectly even , it will be interesting to see how this plays out .
I can only speak on them because i only use them , i think stage 3 weight reduction wouldnt be possible anymore and this would change the balance of the car .
I did a lot of testing with the hondas using stage 2 and stage 3 weight reduction and different weight distributions on different integras (4 diff cars in all) and i find that the performance varies about 4 to 5 tenths depending which combo you choose .
It is really hard to try and make the cars perfectly even , it will be interesting to see how this plays out .
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Your right i do struggle of the line but i was behind you and you pulled 2 cars in front of you .
I think i have to buy a vw and try for myself , will do tomorrow .
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With stage 3 weight reduction i can add 191 kg of ballast so only 9 more kg are available (max is 200 right)
Its really a lot to consider and test because i prefer the tune with stage 3 which i used today but with the stage 2 tune the car has better accel because the weight distribution has more on the front .
What im saying is that trying to slow it down could in fact make it faster , its hard to tell .
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