Captain America: Civil War

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That opens up a multitude of problems because they're introducing Spiderman and Black Panther, plus setting up the factions that emerge within the heroes, and trying to create an overriding threat. There's a lot going on, and as we've seen before, too much going on in one film can ruin it.
 
prisonermonkeys
That opens up a multitude of problems because they're introducing Spiderman and Black Panther, plus setting up the factions that emerge within the heroes, and trying to create an overriding threat. There's a lot going on, and as we've seen before, too much going on in one film can ruin it.
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They seem to handle it just fine each time.
 
prisonermonkeys
True, but I think there's more going on here than in recent entries.
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Not seeing it, they have basically several characters in each Marvel movie now and then cut back when the story calls for it. For example in age of Ultron you have both Rhodes and Wilson in it along with Fury, Maria Hill and even certain non fighting characters critical to the story. Along with the six avengers and then quicksilver and scarlet witch. Now I personally haven't taken the time to watch the other side line stories in great depth, but I still can figure who characters are without them.

Same thing here in Civil war you have both teams full of people that span across as little as two movies to a few times that. Marvel has gone to great lengths to make sure people are informed through giving out license to multiple mobile and console developers, a mass of shows live-action or animated and so forth to make sure the public is highly aware of who is who when they see these things. If this is trouble then I'd hate to see you deal with Avengers 3 where it all but seems certain that the Earth heroes along with the Guardians of the Galaxy will join up to face Thanos.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
Same thing here in Civil war you have both teams full of people that span across as little as two movies to a few times that
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The premise is that the heroes are dividing up into factions - but the problem is that there has been little to set that up in other films.

LMSCorvetteGT2
I'd hate to see you deal with Avengers 3
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I don't know if I'll make it that far - the films have been losing momentum since The Winter Soldier.
 
prisonermonkeys
The premise is that the heroes are dividing up into factions - but the problem is that there has been little to set that up in other films.
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Um, Iron Man 3, Winter Soldier, and Age of Ultron have been setting that up. Stark is beginning to see himself as something other than a hero. The Winter Soldier showed what the US government is willing to do about potential supers and what Cap thought of that kind of thing. It was a Hydra plot, but Fury and Widow were on board with the original idea. Cap and Fury had a debate about it. Then Stark and Cap had another debate in AoU.

I'm not sure we're watching the same movies.
 
prisonermonkeys
The premise is that the heroes are dividing up into factions - but the problem is that there has been little to set that up in other films.


I don't know if I'll make it that far - the films have been losing momentum since The Winter Soldier.
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Yeah as @FoolKiller said, I don't think you're seeing the same thing as us or your just nitpicking to nitpick. The movies if anything have only gained steam and then some since the first Avengers film. Winter Soldier, AoU and even GotG just helped keep the momentum. Marvel/Disney has been quite wise in their navigation of this massive ship known as the cinematic MCU. They've been sowing the seeds for Civil War for some time and if anything it should be easy for a fan of these movies to know how the set up will go.

Civil war if anything will most likely start due to Stark and Banner's baby Ultron and the fact that they're privileges as "super heroes" seem to allow them unrestricted wielding of power, but that needs to be reigned in. And thus feeling guilty Stark agrees to a system that circa IM 1 and IM 2 he'd never have. He probably sees him and other supers as a likely threat before anyone outside the Earth comes to do them in.

We can see this from IM 3 and Avengers and a revisit in AoU, where Tony's reasoning and drive is clearly to make sure that Earth is never in the cross hairs of a Galactic threat and if they are, he wants to be able to stop it. Now the drive is to do this while also making sure all people of powers are in check.
 
Depending on how much Stark knows about inhumans he could see people of power as galactic threats. That's a thread that is being sown in Agents of SHIELD right now. The world around them is suddenly full of powered people and humans are feeling surrounded and scared.

That's not even bringing in Hydra's role in all this. Hydra wants supers and they are still imbedded in powerful places. Make them all register and Hydra has a directory to build an army from. Go that route and Coulson can be opposed to registration for all the right reasons and not have the fans' view of him tarnished by their personal opinion.

Civil War is being well setup on all fronts from my perspective. AoS is filling in the final details that will set it up. And if Hydra is involved it will fit the comics fairly well.

With Crossbones known to be in the film I am pretty sure Hydra is not far behind.
 
FoolKiller
Depending on how much Stark knows about inhumans he could see people of power as galactic threats. That's a thread that is being sown in Agents of SHIELD right now. The world around them is suddenly full of powered people and humans are feeling surrounded and scared.

That's not even bringing in Hydra's role in all this. Hydra wants supers and they are still imbedded in powerful places. Make them all register and Hydra has a directory to build an army from. Go that route and Coulson can be opposed to registration for all the right reasons and not have the fans' view of him tarnished by their personal opinion.

Civil War is being well setup on all fronts from my perspective. AoS is filling in the final details that will set it up. And if Hydra is involved it will fit the comics fairly well.

With Crossbones known to be in the film I am pretty sure Hydra is not far behind.
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Since we last talked about his matter, I still have yet to see AoS so I rely on you and others to fill me in on that front, I just bother with the movies and other shows that Marvel has out that aren't ABC broadcast (thus Netflix origin).

Ask me of Jessica Jones or Hell's Kitchen and I can fill you in but Agent Carter or AoS...and I'm at a loss.
 
You do have the elements of that struggle foreshadowed in previous movies, but there has been no big rift between Cap and Iron Man... nothing to explain the deep enmity between the two in the movie.

Granted, this is something that the trailers suggest they will be building up to within the movie, but I would like it to be a lot more detailed than "He is my friend." - "So was I."

I think that CA:TWS worked because it kept the story fairly tightly focused... the stakes were high, and Cap and company at least looked a little bit outmatched.

In A:AoU, there was little sense of danger by the end... it felt a little formulaic, in fact. Down to the showdown with an army of orcs (this time, metal orcs) who seem singularly ineffective at being anything but cannon-fodder.

In CA:CW, I expect the battles to be a bit more interesting, though having people run at each other across an empty airport taxi-way does not seem in any way a tactically sound decision... for either side. Especially the side with more firepower.

I still have high hopes... the Captain America series has been a good one so far for Marvel. I'm hoping this movie comes out well.
 
niky
You do have the elements of that struggle foreshadowed in previous movies, but there has been no big rift between Cap and Iron Man... nothing to explain the deep enmity between the two in the movie.

Granted, this is something that the trailers suggest they will be building up to within the movie, but I would like it to be a lot more detailed than "He is my friend." - "So was I."

I think that CA:TWS worked because it kept the story fairly tightly focused... the stakes were high, and Cap and company at least looked a little bit outmatched.

In A:AoU, there was little sense of danger by the end... it felt a little formulaic, in fact. Down to the showdown with an army of orcs (this time, metal orcs) who seem singularly ineffective at being anything but cannon-fodder.

In CA:CW, I expect the battles to be a bit more interesting, though having people run at each other across an empty airport taxi-way does not seem in any way a tactically sound decision... for either side. Especially the side with more firepower.

I still have high hopes... the Captain America series has been a good one so far for Marvel. I'm hoping this movie comes out well.
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Indeed the cpt.america movies have been good, not good, but great.

Just as well, do you not know the comics?

Furthermore, do you not know the public?
Ironman is the billion-aire play-boy and capt. is an honest man.

Capt. will lose.
I.M. will win.
(insert public opinion)

My interest rest in whether or not buckey will fill the role or be ignored... Moving on...

Forget the battles, what is right or wrong is the question.
Capt. stands for individual freedom. I.M. stands for what is Better For You (without your consent).
It's time to decide, should you be free?
Capt. says you know best, I.M. says he knows better.

The books told a story but it was a question for all of us.

In the comic books it was clear, (don't want to spoil it) "we know better."
Let's see if Tony and Marvel (Disney) want to say how life should be.

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Truth be told: I think Marvel (Disney) does an incredible job.
However, Stark is wrong. The books make that point and so will I.
You deserve to live life as you want, not as another thinks you should.
 
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niky
You do have the elements of that struggle foreshadowed in previous movies, but there has been no big rift between Cap and Iron Man... nothing to explain the deep enmity between the two in the movie.
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I'd say there was a small hint of the anger boiling over.

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Add in Cap's lifelong childhood friend in the mix and this philosophical/political discussion becomes personal.
 
And if Cap is the last man standing(over Buckey, if Iron Man knocked him out), Stark will have to take Cap out.

About Spider-Man, look how Falcon's story was told. Quickly.
We get it. He was/is a pilot/soldier who used a flying suit. Not much else needs to be said. We might get a quick explanation of Spidey's origin.
I'm sure we'll get a quick backstory of Black Panther. Look at the way Claw mentioned how he got vibranium "at great cost(rubs neck)". Leave it to the watcher's imagination.
Guardians also gave a quick story of The Collector. Some stuff is self explanatory.
 
FoolKiller
I'd say there was a small hint of the anger boiling over.

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Add in Cap's lifelong childhood friend in the mix and this philosophical/political discussion becomes personal.
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A rocky bro-mance doesn't mean coming to blows. Or shouldn't. The crux of the film will be working up to that.

@Kent - I haven't read Civil War in its entirety (just one or two issues here and there), but I understand the gist of it and the general direction of the series. I don't quite agree with it, or with the way the heroes acted within the story... which could have been more nuanced, considering Marvel has been struggling with Mutant Registration for decades (and funnily enough, Reed Richards, one of the pro-registration figureheads, once testified before Congress in opposition to mutant registration) but then, I'm not a current Marvel writer, so I don't have a say... :lol: ...what's funny is that in Civil War II (upcoming), you have the roles reversed, with Iron Man on the side of civil liberties this time, being against punishing criminals via pre-cog.

I am dearly, dearly hoping they pull it off. At least making one of the focal points of this "Civil War" the actions and accountability of Bucky Barnes helps provide more than one pivot, and events occurring both in "The Winter Soldier" (where Hydra's infiltration of SHIELD fuels Cap's distrust of the Government) and the "Iron Man" series (rogue agents and states getting a hold of Stark tech, leading to Tony's desire for more control) help build up the story. But lest we forget, Tony also displayed a lack of trust for SHIELD and the Government in previous movies. There is still a need to build up to a Tony Stark who'd willingly sign away the liberties of his fellowmen in order to support the Registration Act.
 
After watching the season 2 of Daredevil, i'm really disappointed they don't include Daredevil and Punisher. As far as i know, season 2 dwelved a bit into a similar situation as Civil War, albeit in a smaller manner (people of Hell's Kitchen instead of the whole world).
 
niky
A rocky bro-mance doesn't mean coming to blows. Or shouldn't. The crux of the film will be working up to that.
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When a rocky bro-mance has an ex bro-friend show up and confuse the loyalties of one, that's blows, especially when the debate is about public safety in a world where fighting is the answer to everything, even for the geeky loser.
 
FoolKiller
When a rocky bro-mance has an ex bro-friend show up and confuse the loyalties of one, that's blows, especially when the debate is about public safety in a world where fighting is the answer to everything, even for the geeky loser.
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Granted, nothing sucks more than a bro-love-triangle.
 
niky
A rocky bro-mance doesn't mean coming to blows. Or shouldn't. The crux of the film will be working up to that.

@Kent - I haven't read Civil War in its entirety (just one or two issues here and there), but I understand the gist of it and the general direction of the series. I don't quite agree with it, or with the way the heroes acted within the story... which could have been more nuanced, considering Marvel has been struggling with Mutant Registration for decades (and funnily enough, Reed Richards, one of the pro-registration figureheads, once testified before Congress in opposition to mutant registration) but then, I'm not a current Marvel writer, so I don't have a say... :lol: ...what's funny is that in Civil War II (upcoming), you have the roles reversed, with Iron Man on the side of civil liberties this time, being against punishing criminals via pre-cog.

I am dearly, dearly hoping they pull it off. At least making one of the focal points of this "Civil War" the actions and accountability of Bucky Barnes helps provide more than one pivot, and events occurring both in "The Winter Soldier" (where Hydra's infiltration of SHIELD fuels Cap's distrust of the Government) and the "Iron Man" series (rogue agents and states getting a hold of Stark tech, leading to Tony's desire for more control) help build up the story. But lest we forget, Tony also displayed a lack of trust for SHIELD and the Government in previous movies. There is still a need to build up to a Tony Stark who'd willingly sign away the liberties of his fellowmen in order to support the Registration Act.
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I agree (for the most part) but I would like to remind you that narcissist like Stark are always willing to give up other people's rights (but not their own). Plus, he's just a normal human, sure a human with super-powered tech he will not give up to others, but a normal human just the same.
Just as he will not give up his tech, I'd imagine that if he were a mutant he wouldn't agree to any kind of registration.

My greatest hope for civil war will be that Marvel doesn't do a DC and cater to the fans (like BvS: DOJ), rather than fan service for IM fanboys, give us a real story.
After Avengers 2, I'm starting to have doubts. I mean, funny as it may have been, IM in hulkbuster armor should have never been able to, literally, knock out the Hulk. /smh
If that's not the perfect example of ignoring the source for the sake of fanservice then I don't know what is.
 


It looks like Sharon Carter isn't on the team she was expected to be, at least at first.

Also, Wanda might be responsible for the event that kicks off the Accords. The editing certainly points in that direction, anyway.

Bought my tickets for May 5. Grabbed IMAX on the basis of the 15-minute main fight.
 
I can see those clips being edited as to not show too much. There is another clip where Scott Lang meets Steve and it got edited out too.
 
JKgo
....?? Edited out of what? The film's not out yet, y'know.
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according to the D23 clip description, Scott said "Thinks for thanking of me", then he corrected himself to "thanks for thinking of me". The one being published online didn't show him corrected himself.
 
GTboyz
according to the D23 clip description, Scott said "Thinks for thanking of me", then he corrected himself to "thanks for thinking of me". The one being published online didn't show him corrected himself.
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...Oh, okay. Didn't know that. Lots of scenes get cut during editing so whatever deemed surplus probably got thrown in the proverbial trash can, that line of dialogue included.

Most likely it'll be in the Blu-Ray release a few months down the line...
 
JKgo
...Oh, okay. Didn't know that. Lots of scenes get cut during editing so whatever deemed surplus probably got thrown in the proverbial trash can, that line of dialogue included.

Most likely it'll be in the Blu-Ray release a few months down the line...
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nah, i think they just edited out for these promotional clips. I think we will get much more scenes when the movie comes out. Like that Avengers attack clip, it feels a bit jumpy, i hope it's because of the edits.
 
GTboyz
according to the D23 clip description, Scott said "Thinks for thanking of me", then he corrected himself to "thanks for thinking of me". The one being published online didn't show him corrected himself.
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This one you mean...



I think this is a better version, I'd rather him not correct himself. He seems to amazed at meeting Capt. (like a certain shield agent). That he just jumbles his words and Capt. goes with it cause he's use to that, is cool.
 
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