Connecticut School Shooting Dec 14th 2012

[priesty_lfc]

The analogue would be someone throwing guns, not shooting.

The "rock" analogue to a shooting would be something like a slingshot. When you change your weapon, it requires different methods, in the end the results may be worse, or they may not be.

And my post was not focused on rocks, but weapons besides guns (ie anything, including knives which were mentioned in the quoted post).

Havent seen the original post-sorry

a sling shot would be the same tho, you would still take on someone with one.

The high speed/high damage and ease of use of guns means that more often than not the results are going to be bad.

Yes a knife is just as deadly as a gun but the skill required to use it in such a deadly way is not something which would cause the same type of scenario. A group of people could still realistically take down someone with a knife......

 

[ilikewaffles11]

Seriously?

If you walked past a school and seen someone throwing rocks at children in a school I'm pretty sure you would not hesitate in telling them to stop and make your way over to them

Now if you replace the rocks with someone randomly shooting in all directions would you do the same??

Replace the rocks with a knife. Would you walk up to somebody with a knife and tell them to stop?

Anyways, my condolences to those affected. It's a real shame that this happened, even worse that it happened to innocent children. There's some really sick people out there...

 

[Exorcet]

My theory on guns is that they are a necessary evil. The suicide bombers of 9/11 used box cutters and plastic knives to take over the airplanes. Just think of the horror if the police who controlled the situation didn't have firearms.

The real focus should be about helping all the victims' families out in this time of suffering.

Calling them an evil is very misleading. There is nothing evil about self defense of finding food. There is evil in taking a tool and killing someone unjustly with it.

a sling shot would be the same tho, you would still take on someone with one.

Not if the coin was my eye(s). I wouldn't underestimate the weapon.

 

[shmogt]

While this is true, is limiting his tools of destruction not a good thing? You may not stop a person from doing harmful acts, but it would at least lessen the options he has. That's what I'm more or less getting at.

It's too late. There is already so many guns sold. Most gun Crimea are illegal guns anyway. Why would you want it to be traced back to you? Only the guys like this who don't care just buy them since they know there's no coming back.

In Canada and the US switchblades were the main weapon on the streets years ago. So many crimes were committed with these weapons and everyone was saying they have to be banned to stop the crimes. Well they got banned and are literally impossible to get in Canada at least with no legal license to register or anything. Did crimes stop? Of course not. People just moved to using guns since they are a lot easier to get. If you make it tougher to get guns people will just steal one.

Look at Mexico where there is crazy gun laws where pretty much everything is band and that country is a leading gun violence drug empire. Has nothing to do with guns or laws its just the people.

 

[mr_geez]

Replace the rocks with a knife. Would you walk up to somebody with a knife and tell them to stop?

Do knife stabbings have a kill count of 27? I'm guessing rarely.

 

[priesty_lfc]

Replace the rocks with a knife. Would you walk up to somebody with a knife and tell them to stop?

Anyways, my condolences to those affected. It's a real shame that this happened, even worse that it happened to innocent children. There's some really sick people out there...

Wouldn't you?

Even if you didn't take him/her down they wouldn't be able to do anymore damage as they would be focused on you, you could be close enough to stop them but be far enough away to still be safe. You couldn't do that with a gun.

 

[Exorcet]

Wouldn't you?

Even if you didn't take him/her down they wouldn't be able to do anymore damage as they would be focused on you, you could be close enough to stop them but be far enough away to still be safe. You couldn't do that with a gun.

Unarmed vs knife isn't very smart unless you're some kind of master of hand to hand combat. Even then, you're basically fighting someone with the touch of death.

And this hypothetical knife wielding person doesn't need to be in plain sight, out in the open. He could be in the school, with the keys to the door that he stole standing in front of a bunch of unarmed victims.

If my high school experience was anything to go by, when classes were being change, a knife would have been good for multiple victims within seconds due to the density of people in the halls.

 

[Mac K]

Sick.. just sick.. RIP.

 

[cnd01]

If my high school experience was anything to go by, when classes were being change, a knife would have been good for multiple victims within seconds due to the density of people in the halls.

I can concur. No one would know who was stabbing people if done stealthily enough.

This terrible act has made me a LOT more insecure about going to school. I will be looking over my shoulder more often.

 

[Omnis]

Barack Obama's very emotional speech:

Obama sure is good at crying without sounding emotional at all.

 

[Slash]

And now the debate over gun control is raised again...

 

[ilikewaffles11]

Wouldn't you?

Even if you didn't take him/her down they wouldn't be able to do anymore damage as they would be focused on you, you could be close enough to stop them but be far enough away to still be safe. You couldn't do that with a gun.

I'd like to think I would but I really don't know how I would react to that. Just because I think I'll do the right thing in a situation doesn't mean I will if something like that happened.

I doubt there would be many people who just walk up to a man waving a knife...

@cnd01 Don't let it make you insecure about being in school. Personally, it made me realize that I should appreciate life more. I thought the same thing at first but realized that I can die at any time, why not live everyday as though it's your last?

 

[Zenith]

Do knife stabbings have a kill count of 27? I'm guessing rarely.

No, but bombs have higher kill counts.

 

[Pupik]

The major problem is not guns nor violent video games, neither gun control nor a militaristic attitude, but mostly how our society deals with and represses mental problems. People do not talk about their problems for fear of what others think of them, and in turn, how their place and stature in a smaller society or circle is perceived. On rare occasions, this largely ego-protective attitude permits inferiority complexes to dangerously manifest themselves as superiority complexes with no regard for others.

But being the free society that we are, we can't just lock up everybody who's ever had a naughty thought. We also can't allow the constant monitoring of free individuals' behavior, and attempt to fend off trouble that has been hastily misdiagnosed. I think that only tolerance and mental help for people, without the shame and labelling, without both the back talk, rumors, and whispers are only true way out of becoming a society that is confident in seeking help and returning it in kind.

 

[Solid Lifters]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/gun-gra...dent-supporters-in-wake-of-mass-shooting.html

See how despicable these people are... Only a nutjob like the one who did this would ever think like that.

 

[Skython]

Sorry, but if I have any reason to show distaste to America, the cause is things like that. America has so much shootings in comparison to almost anywhere else in the world. I don't really understand how people feel safe living in a country with so much people doing stupid things like this. It's a shame to hear that so many were killed by this imbecile.

 

[mr_geez]

No, but bombs have higher kill counts.

I think you are wrong.

How many school bombings have happened in the world in last 10 years?

answer: 7

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Dhemaji_school_bombing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_International_Islamic_University_bombing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Brindisi_school_bombing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_University_bombing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_al-Askari_Mosque_bombing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mian_Channu_school_house_bombing

How many casualties there have been?

answer : 18 in Dhemaji and 27 total in rest of the cases.

What do those bombings have in common?

answer: Those cruel acts were committed in unstable geo-political regions of the world. None of them happened in what could have been called "first world country".

 

[NotThePrez]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/gun-gra...dent-supporters-in-wake-of-mass-shooting.html

See how despicable these people are... Only a nutjob like the one who did this would ever think like that.

Absolutely unbelievable. 👎

 

[Johnnypenso]

Still costs money to administer that. Not sure its cost vs. lifetime jailing.

Gunman has been identified as Ryan Lanza.

Oh 🤬, Gunman apparently entered classroom, killed teacher who was his own mother, and then killed everyone in that class (18 children).

Not sure if this has been corrected or not but it looks like the gunman is actually Adam Lanza, Ryan's younger brother, and there are reports he may be autistic , but of course it's not confirmed yet.

 

[Perfect Balance]

The high speed/high damage and ease of use of guns means that more often than not the results are going to be bad.

Sure. I can agree with that. Now imagine someone who doesn't care about guns being illegal wants to kill someone and obtains a gun. An easy feat for someone who doesn't follow laws. Then he walks into any number of crowded areas to start a shooting spree. He knows guns are outlawed. He knows nobody else has a gun.

Far as he's concerned, he can start shooting until he runs out of bullets and NOBODY is going to do a THING about it.

Now imagine even 10% of those people had a concealed carry license. You know, the ones who aren't mentally ill/unstable. Any one of them could stop the massacre. Or even more worth mentioning, typically these things don't even happen in places where people own guns for that reason. I'm all for taking guns away from mentally unstable individuals, but taking them away from normal people does nothing except make it easier and less dangerous for crazy people to go on a spree.

What makes you think outlawing guns will keep outlaws from obtaining them?

 

[RTSolvalou]

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[AOS-]

I think that only tolerance and mental help for people, without the shame and labelling, without both the back talk, rumors, and whispers are only true way out of becoming a society that is confident in seeking help and returning it in kind.

That is one of the biggest challenges for societies to overcome imo. I tend to promote this amongst a smaller community I'm in but there's always the one or two individuals who label me for being too idealistic.

 

[mr_geez]

Sure. I can agree with that. Now imagine someone who doesn't care about guns being illegal wants to kill someone and obtains a gun. An easy feat for someone who doesn't follow laws. Then he walks into any number of crowded areas to start a shooting spree. He knows guns are outlawed. He knows nobody else has a gun.

Far as he's concerned, he can start shooting until he runs out of bullets and NOBODY is going to do a THING about it.

Now imagine even 10% of those people had a concealed carry license. You know, the ones who aren't mentally ill/unstable. Any one of them could stop the massacre.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics...55307307791&action=collapse_widget&id=3284012

Above you have a very interesting study about last 61 mass shootings in USA.

The killing wasn't stopped by a civilian with a gun in any of those cases.

 

[Baron Blitz Red]

It's crap like this that makes appreciate the simpler things in life. Be thankful we only have to learn about things of this nature through the news and other media instead of living though the nightmare itself. I couldn't imagine what the directly affected are going through, and I hope I never will. Pause and give thoughts to the families, yes, but look around and be appreciative of what most take for granted... the everyday people of YOUR life.

Have a good one

 

[gogatrs]

Sure. I can agree with that. Now imagine someone who doesn't care about guns being illegal wants to kill someone and obtains a gun. An easy feat for someone who doesn't follow laws. Then he walks into any number of crowded areas to start a shooting spree. He knows guns are outlawed. He knows nobody else has a gun.

Far as he's concerned, he can start shooting until he runs out of bullets and NOBODY is going to do a THING about it.

Now imagine even 10% of those people had a concealed carry license. You know, the ones who aren't mentally ill/unstable. Any one of them could stop the massacre. Or even more worth mentioning, typically these things don't even happen in places where people own guns for that reason. I'm all for taking guns away from mentally unstable individuals, but taking them away from normal people does nothing except make it easier and less dangerous for crazy people to go on a spree.

What makes you think outlawing guns will keep outlaws from obtaining them?

That's what we have now, is it not?
I don't believe it will EVER be legal for someone to carry a gun into a school.
What we have now obviously is not working.

 

[MarinaDiamandis]

Do knife stabbings have a kill count of 27? I'm guessing rarely.

Shootings rarely have a kill count of 27 either.

As many have said, guns (especially guns that are held legally) aren't the issue here. The issue is whatever is bringing people to the dark, dark place in which they could even think of doing something like this.

Normal people don't think 'I have a gun, let's see how many people I can kill with it'. I don't pick up my warbow and think 'This is powerful enough to penetrate plate armour, I wonder how many police officers in stab-proof vests I can kill with it'.

If somebody burst into a school with a knife, they could kill a lot of people. A knife kills very quickly and quietly, never runs out of ammunition and never needs reloading. Up close knives are arguably more dangerous than guns, as they are always 'on' - you cannot control the direction of attack like you can with the barrel of a gun. It is extremely difficult to disarm somebody with a knife, you will certainly receive many very nasty cuts if you do attempt it.

Again, it is not the weapon, but the person holding that weapon who is the true threat.

My deepest, most sincere sympathies to all who have been effected. It's such a tragic waste.

 

[Ibonibo]

In germany was a incident with a knife and an axe and molotovs.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32890303/ns/world_news-europe/t/german-police-hurt-school-ax-rampage/

He couldn't kill nobody, because schools have alarms that are rang in such cases and doors closed.

You can't stab someone though a door. Shooting through works though. It might give you 10 min of time. Enough for a response team

Also I am pretty sure a lot of people would even willing risk their life if you see a guy stabing 5 year old children

And the "weapons don't kill people,..." is a propaganda started by the gun lobby. And seeing how many always come up with that, leaves me "???"

What's the best solution to gun violence.

More guns. Seems logical :S

...

While I also am attracted to guns. They should not be available to everyone. And while here were no AR used, explain the logic why military grade weaponary should be in hands of civilians living in a country at peace?
You fear the invasion of King George? He's dead.

/Rant

By you, I don't aim at nobody here, just talking in general.
Except the part

Only a miserable wretch of a person would do this. True gutless coward to attack defenseless children. I can just hear the new anti-gun puke coming from liberal douche-bags and the POSPOTUS after this. Equally disgusting, IMO

You seriously suggesting this. Killing children and asking for a weapon ban is equally disgusting?
I hope that was over reaction...

YOu don't need to outright ban weapons, just make it harder to get by, the typical given exemple of buy a car, open an account,... get a gun for free mentality needs to stop.

 

[terminator363]

@OP

Seriously? Again how many "shootings" have we had over the past months?

 

[Danoff]

Do you seriously believe that if the guy had used a knife or a "rock" we would still be seeing the same result?

Sad day, but no way surprising.

Obviously this is massively surprising to everyone. If you saw this coming, you're some king of clairvoyant prophet. Who shoots up an elementary school. There is absolutely no way that this is not surprising.

I absolutely agree. Guy would have definitely wouldn't have gotten as far with something other than a gun.

I just had a short debate about lessening the accessibility of guns... you can stop people from owning a gun, but you can't stop what people are going to do if they have one in hand.

You can't stop people from owning a gun either. You can stop law abiding citizens from owning guns - law abiding citizens don't shoot up elementary schools.

But why give them such easy access to weapons?

2 reasons:

- It's not possible to do otherwise
- It's a human right

I'm also disgusted by the amount people on Facebook ragging on President Obama for crying during his press conference. The man's a father of two young girls, I don't blame him for being emotional about it.

I agree wholeheartedly.

No motive will change what happened. A human being has killed a bunch of innocent children. What you said in your next post is true, it could make us feel safer that the shooting occurred because of specific circumstances, but it doesn't change what has happened.

Obviously.


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Why is it that every liberal with an anti-gun agenda has to use a tragedy like this for political gain? Can we not just take a step back from arguing politics and feel for the victims? Is it really necessary to turn everything into an anti-gun argument? People die, we don't always have to try to "fix it" with legislation. I hate that I cringe opening one of these threads because I know that instead of being full of details about the shooting and people's emotional reactions, it's going to be full of more BS arguments about guns.

 

[Sam48]

And the "weapons don't kill people,..." is a propaganda started by the gun lobby. And seeing how many always come up with that, leaves me "???"

What's the best solution to gun violence.

More guns. Seems logical :S

Guns don't kill people, people kill people. We've stressed that enough.

We've been down this road countless times. If I recall they all pretty much ended the same.