Coup d'etat in Turkey

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fumunaplz
It was a simple question you seem not to want to answer, I don't have any hidden agenda. Who has a narrow view exactly? Blatantly trying to force things to fit a view, hmmmm.

Simple question unanswered.
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You are asking a question irrelevant to the discussion so it doesn't really matter the answer was.

fumunaplz
I have a strong feeling that the U.S. played a roll, I don't know what it is and probably never will but our hand seems to be in all of it.
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If you take highlight into why USA took a role intervening with other countries then the word self interest props up. Look at Chile in 1973 where USA had adopted containment against communism and the self interest comes having the Chicago boys to attain high positions in the Government to help shape their economy.

Rwandan genocide was another point of self interest which USA failed to strength their forces of UN within Rwanda which could of prevented the genocide but during that exact time USA had sent their troops to Haiti because of mass flow of immigrants coming to their country.

This coup looks very much staged especially with clips of the military being unprofessional and just a general mess as they randomly enter into media buildings to find nothing but in the morning to be on the front of headlines to be made fools of and the aggressors.
 
lxmmy
You are asking a question irrelevant to the discussion so it doesn't really matter the answer was.
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I do not understand the hostility, this was stated, "the EU condemns the coup" right? OK. I have ideas as to why that is the case, mainly due to the influx of immigrants from the region. My question was meant to address what someone might think of that proclamation.

Turkey is not a member of the EU are they? So it is irrelevant to ask what someone might think of that organization, that's fine if that is how the conversation goes. If it does not matter what someone thinks of the organization than there would be no reason for said person to bring them up at all.
 
Well, David Cameron has been emphatically proven right when he said that Turkey would not be joining the EU this side of the year 3000.

I seriously doubt that Erdogan 'staged' the coup attempt in order to give him a pretext for a crackdown/purge and to consolidate his own power... but the fact remains that the attempted coup has now given Erdogan exactly that.
 
Is Erdogan following a path to dictatorship and Islamism?

What if the Straits of the Dardanelles are closed to the West? What if Turkey becomes off-limits to overland travel to the mideast and points beyond?

These are high stakes - perhaps the highest in 1000 years - to western interests.
 
I've always wondered, if the international date line is between Russia and Alaska, why are we considered the West? Why is the Prime Meridian the standard?
 
ryzno
I've always wondered, if the international date line is between Russia and Alaska, why are we considered the West? Why is the Prime Meridian the standard?
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Because West relates to a position, not a date. We are to the right hand side of yesterday wouldn't make much sense. To the left of 0 degrees longitude makes much more sense.
 
ryzno
I've always wondered, if the international date line is between Russia and Alaska, why are we considered the West? Why is the Prime Meridian the standard?
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Because relative to Europe, Asia is the east. Hence why the known bits of Asia were formerly called the orient (Orient being a Latin word for 'east') by Roman and other European scholars.

That makes Europe west by comparison. North America became included in that definition upon its discovery and WASPy settlement.

The IDL isn't to do with it and neither is the GML.
 
Well the coup has gone no one really knows what happened, some say Erdogan some say CIA!
I don't even guess what goes on with these things as I don't trust any politician I have ever seen in action.
I just know in my heart someone is making from it be it Erdogan himself the US the UK or some other untrustworthy sort.

It wouldn't surprise me who was behind the coup if the truth ever be told instead of the usual smelly propaganda we are normally fed.

In fact in politics it wouldn't surprise me if that dopey old tart who is now PM here in the UK employed Frank Abagnale to be the treasurer.
 
To ever think of Turkey being ready to join the EU is delusional due to European Convention of Human rights and the threat it imposes to Erdogan's sovereignty.

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More than 50,000 state employees have been rounded up, sacked or suspended in the days since the coup attempt. On Wednesday, 99 top military officers were charged in connection with the events of the weekend.
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lxmmy
To ever think of Turkey being ready to join the EU is delusional due to European Convention of Human rights and the threat it imposes to Erdogan's sovereignty.

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Well despite all of this, apparently the EU and Turkey will meet this Sunday in Bratislava for further negotiations about Turkey membership:

https://www.cda.nl/mensen/omtzigt/b...s-spreken-zondag-met-turkije-over-toetreding/

I hope our EU sissies (i mean leaders) will be very harsh and raise their finger, to make a sturdy impression!

Also the EU stays committed to the migration deal (bribing the dictator):

http://www.politico.eu/article/post...urkey-eu-migration-deal-recep-tayyip-erdogan/

“Turkey is a candidate country and a key partner for the European Union, and therefore the EU remains committed to working together with democratic, inclusive and stable Turkey to address our common challenges,” Maroš Šefčovič, a Commission vice president, told reporters Wednesday.
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What Erdogan is pulling off here totally reminds me of Hitlers ''Night of the long knives'' aka the Röhm coup, where Hitler let his assassins kill off the remaining political enemies. Of course, Erdogan couldn't do this without some sort of brief crisis to justify a political ''cleansing'' of this magnitude , just like Hitler, so he was just waiting of some sort of coup attempt. Did he stage it himself? No, but he prepared for it and waited. Maybe he pushed some people into an premature attempt for a coup, like bombing a mountainside for a controlled avalanche instead of waiting till its gets too big and breaks loose on its own with no hope for any control.

I bet all the judges and pedagogues are now being replaced with people having radical views and who are strong believers in traditional Islam. Erdogan has always been dreaming about turning Europe into his Islamic Caliphate and he has been working pretty damn hard on it lately. Guess he is getting impatient now, all the years of trying to appeal to all the people and triyng to appear rational and moderate must have been exhausting for him.

The start of his political career was marked with radical Islamic views which got him into lots of troubles, he had to change to get into power, now he finally has all the political might and the mask slips.

And what is Europe doing? Putting sanctions on Russia and getting blackmailed by Turkey which costs us billions. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
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Chrunch Houston
Oh my god kid, listen to what he says, not how he says it.
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I'm sure I mentioned that, I did listen and I also agree with him. He's still boring to me.


lxmmy
To ever think of Turkey being ready to join the EU is delusional due to European Convention of Human rights and the threat it imposes to Erdogan's sovereignty.
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I thought the EU was irrelevant :lol: At least you gave some insight this time. It seems to me there is only one reason the EU would consider Turkey as a member and that reason will not last for ever.
 
prisonermonkeys
That would be a false step.

The whole point of a coup is to seize power from a corrupt, despotic and/or unpopular ruler. But in order for a coup to truly succeed, the successor government has to be accepted by the international community. If you kill the incumbent leader in the process, it looks like a political assassination, retroactively legitimising the leader you tried to overthrow and making it that much harder to be accepted by the international community.


That's what they're trying to do.


That's impressive, since Ankara is landlocked.
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Sorry bud, but Ankara is NOT land locked. You can boat to Ankara. The Mediterranean to the Aegean Sea, to the Marmara Sea and into the Black Sea through the Bosphorus.
 
Looking at that map, I forget just how close Cyprus is to Turkey. They must be sweating buckets over Erdogan's "Make Turkey Great" again politics. It's surely only a matter of time until they renew their interests there.
 
Liquid
Looking at that map, I forget just how close Cyprus is to Turkey. They must be sweating buckets over Erdogan's "Make Turkey Great" again politics. It's surely only a matter of time until they renew their interests there.
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He will probably go the Crimea belongs to Russia way.

Everyone will complain and wag their fingers and that's about it.
 
potvinsuks
That's a bad map buddy. It doesnt show the Bosphorus strip! 100's of ships go through the Marmara and into the Black Sea everyday.

I was born in Istanbul lol!

No, I'm NOT Turkish. Armenian/American.

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That's great but that still puts Ankara 150km away from the sea.

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I see now what's wrong. You have American geographical skills.

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Yeah, we know where and what the Bosphorus Strait is but Ankara is clearly a landlocked city just north of the middle of the country.
 
Some Arab and Iranian media say that Erdogan was warned by Russia about the upcoming coup. Like, Russian base in Latakia (Syria) has an intel center providing data about Turkish army and they knew the storm is coming.

If this is true, this isn't supposed to mean Erdogan is Russia's friend again. Pretty likely that RF basically chose the lesser of two evils. The Turkish PM later said that the faction who's behind the coup is responsible for downing the Russian bomber - no idea, how true is this, but who knew what would happen if they succeded...

potvinsuks
That's a bad map buddy. It doesnt show the Bosphorus strip! 100's of ships go through the Marmara and into the Black Sea everyday.

I was born in Istanbul lol!

No, I'm NOT Turkish. Armenian/American.

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You're talking about Istanbul, but we mean Ankara here.
 

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