DeadNutsEven - Where anyone can win!!

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About this past set of races at Monaco: Some of you didn't come away from Monaco with an optimally positive experience, but I have to speak up and say it was more than good enough for me. On different occasions: I was hit out of the lead, I spun on my own out of second and I was involved in a lag crash that ruined a potentially great overtake, but I still liked the racing that was had. Racing in a busy tight street course with the walls close, trying to keep drivers behind you while at the same time applying pressure to the driver ahead and looking for mistakes from the driver ahead to overtake on, and also trying to go as fast as possible is what I love about racing at Monaco. I think overtaking should not be easy. You might have to set up a move many corners in advance, or sometimes it might be impossible without a mistake. And I love it, it's a great change of pace from the open fast modern autodromes most online races I've participated in are held on.

Of course, it takes a great amount of concentration and discipline to make it work. If drivers aren't careful or patient, it can ruin the event for many others. I think with good clean drivers like we have here, it's just a case of remembering how much we respect each other on track and to come in with a slightly more humble and careful mindset. So, I hope we can go back to a street back sooner or later, though at the same time I understand the many reasons why street races aren't immensely popular among some of you.

I just wanted to say that.
 
Will be powering the PS3 in the next minute and heading to the DNER lounge for about an hour to test the Corvette on the Indy Road Course. :)

Edit, top speed: 262 KMH
 
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Ridox2JZGTE / BMW Z4 M Coupe '08 / Premium / 455pp / Tuned / No ABS​

Indy Road Course : top Speed 152 Mph, high 27 seconds 1st sector, mid 1:32 last sector time, avg 1:46.1x/4x
295HP, 1430kg, this car have great balance, love it.

I'm in the lounge now :D Best lap at 455pp, 1:46.046, will be there for a while ....

EDIT : I'm cancelling this entry, will put new one :D
 
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SagarisGTB
About this past set of races at Monaco: Some of you didn't come away from Monaco with an optimally positive experience, but I have to speak up and say it was more than good enough for me. On different occasions: I was hit out of the lead, I spun on my own out of second and I was involved in a lag crash that ruined a potentially great overtake, but I still liked the racing that was had. Racing in a busy tight street course with the walls close, trying to keep drivers behind you while at the same time applying pressure to the driver ahead and looking for mistakes from the driver ahead to overtake on, and also trying to go as fast as possible is what I love about racing at Monaco. I think overtaking should not be easy. You might have to set up a move many corners in advance, or sometimes it might be impossible without a mistake. And I love it, it's a great change of pace from the open fast modern autodromes most online races I've participated in are held on.

Of course, it takes a great amount of concentration and discipline to make it work. If drivers aren't careful or patient, it can ruin the event for many others. I think with good clean drivers like we have here, it's just a case of remembering how much we respect each other on track and to come in with a slightly more humble and careful mindset. So, I hope we can go back to a street back sooner or later, though at the same time I understand the many reasons why street races aren't immensely popular among some of you.

I just wanted to say that.
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Thanks Sag, appreciate the feedback. As I think everyone knows already, I dislike city tracks for racing and Monday's event only reinforced that for me. Every race including the heat races, was affected by contact of some sort, so much so that most of the time I ran around alone playing catch up. I did not enjoy Monday's race at all.

Everyone needs to be on the same page for city racing to work, but these same general rules apply to all racing, the consequences are just more severe when you are pushed into a guardrail as opposed to being bumped wide in a corner as you would on an open circuit.

1. You need to be hyper aware of everything around you, and if you can't be, you must default to safety, not aggression. I used track map 2, so I can see everyone around me within 1 second. I know that if I glance at the map and can see my little chevron representing my car, and there is space between me and the car behind me, I am clear to move over. I don't need to look back or change my view to do so. The incident in the second corner of the first lap of one race, occurred because one car decided to move inside in a corner when there was a tight pack of cars and the car behind still had some overlap. A quick glance at the mini-map would avoid that.

If you don't use the mini-map or it's too confusing for you, then you default to safety, meaning stay in your lane, not agression, meaning I can't see anyone beside me with my limited vision so I'll just move over.

2. Use your head. Going three wide is hard enough at Road Course Indy, nearly impossible at Monaco without incident. Even 2 wide is hard here and requires a great deal of respect on the part of both drivers. It can be done, but you have to know the limits of your car, and again, default to safety, not agression. This means if you are attempting a pass into the chicane for example and you're on the inside, you must brake a little sooner than you think is necessary, to avoid contact. You also have to leave enough room for the other driver to negotiate the corner while driving beside you, which in the case of the chicane at Monaco means you must make nearly a 90 degree turn around the left guardrail to leave enough room. This is why most people dont pass on the inside at the chicane because the right side is the preferred side.

3. Think ahead. For me, most passing opportunities at all tracks come from mistakes and the draft. There is little draft at Monaco so you have to force or wait for mistakes. The race is 15 minutes long. If there is a pack of 3 cars and you are fighting for 3rd.and 1st and 2nd are 4 seconds clear, then that is your race, for 3rd, not 1st or 2nd. You will not make up 4 seconds in DeadNuts Racing barring a major error on the part of someone in front of you, and given the average level of talent here, that's pretty unlikely. So if there are 3 of you in dead even cars, does it make much sense to go for that difficult, last second, balls to the wall pass into a tight section of a corner? No it doesn't. It makes more sense to spend a lap or two following someone to gauge their weaknesses and strengths and plan a pass that will stick, rather than passing anywhere, anytime at any cost.

Anyway, I went on a bit, sorry for that. I'm trying to look at this as a new driver would, and if I were a new driver and had the experience I had on Monday, I wouldn't come back. Having said that, this group isn't about what I want, or what a small group of driver's wants, it's about doing the types of racing we all enjoy and if part of that is street racing, I'm willing to keep trying it from time to time. It has always held great potential for me, I love Monaco in general, I've just never had much luck in racing on street circuits in terms of contact and for me, I'd rather race in last place in a good clean fight with no contact, than win outright running into people or having people run into each other and take themselves out of the race.
 
Nice point there JP, I saw many incident on Cote'DAzur race, a couple of incident on the 2 of main races have affected my position, but I don't mind, there were in the heat of battle, one of them due the driver in front of me suddenly hit the wall after the 1st turn. Oh well, I understand how hard it is to race clean in tight spaces :D, anyway, I always try to be clean at all times, winning is second.

By the way, I have 2 other cars tuned for Indy Road, Lancia Delta HF Integrale ( 465pp ) and Nissan R32 GTR V Spec II ( 460pp ), if anyone interested in these cars, I'll be more than happy to share the tune.

EDIT : Crap, I tuned and tested ST205 Celica GT4 Rally Car, detuned to 469PP ( 276HP, 1395kg ), handles great, now I'm on the fence with the Z4 M Coupe or this one.
 
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*Following the trend of long-ish posts...*​

I have a few things to say regarding Monaco, but none of the sketchy maneuvers that I saw during the race ever happened to me, so this is not my place to preach about driving etiquette.

On a lighter, more positive note, I was thinking of this analogy today while driving home:

DNE is purely recreational racing. That doesn't mean it doesn't have value, because it does; and lot of it.
However, this means that it doesn't have a championship/title/ultimate driving award attached to it, and that's the best part.

Recreational Basketball doesn't get you anywhere, it just makes you better. Its out of pure love of the sport that you decide to play it. However, that doesn't mean it has no long-term value. It ultimately makes you better, it prepares you to go on to bigger, greater challenges; in this case: Championships with titles placed. Recreational clubs attract people who love whatever sport they play. They aren't in it for the title, they are in it to have good, clean, fun, with people they enjoy being around.

Yes, there are people who purely go for the respect gained from winning everything, and that is why there are large-scale racing championships on this site. DeadNutsEven is different, there is more honor/respect/glory earned by simply putting up a pure & honest fight. You may not win, but an amazing 3-way battle for 5th place is worth more than winning by 6 seconds. This is why so many of us have stuck here week after week. We love racing and recognize the honor in putting up an honest fight out on the track.

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On Tuesday, the first race of a full-grid, FIA GT1 championship I participate in took place. Nobody had the faster car, it came down to raw talent under the pressure of an endurance. The racer who took first place made it to Silverstone in the GTAcademy. Finishing 5th in this crowd is a huge achievement and I very happily qualified in a respectable 7th. As you can see I don't have the outright speed necessary to win, but I gave it all out on Suzuka that day. I ended up in the middle of a 3-car battle for 5th for the entire last half of the race.

Before participating in DNE, I would have spun under this kind of pressure. Driving full-fledged race cars on dying tires in a crowd of 3 was insane, but I had a skill nobody else had, and I learned it by racing with you guys every week. This is where DNE has its value. From racing around Suzuka with Cote on my tail and Johnny along side, with NC and Trackbound in front, I now know the limits of my car when its off-racing-line. DNE has made me consistent and aware of the cars around me like no other form of racing could have done. In that Championship, I was able to find the weaknesses of the drivers in front of me, and find a clean pass amongst the immense battle, where I knew I was safe, and didn't jeopardize the race of myself, or the others.

I just felt like sharing that story of how DNE has made me an immensely better racer, and I look forward to Indy next week. 👍
 
Is it okay if I change my entry ? Naptown already used Z4 M, so maybe I could use GT4 Celica instead :D, should I edit my entry post ?

The GT4 might get eaten on straight, it's top speed is measly 150mph :/, but I'll use it anyway, too fun.
 
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Ferraridude308
*Following the trend of long-ish posts...*

I have a few things to say regarding Monaco, but none of the sketchy maneuvers that I saw during the race ever happened to me, so this is not my place to preach about driving etiquette.

On a lighter, more positive note, I was thinking of this analogy today while driving home:

DNE is purely recreational racing. That doesn't mean it doesn't have value, because it does; and lot of it.
However, this means that it doesn't have a championship/title/ultimate driving award attached to it, and that's the best part.

Recreational Basketball doesn't get you anywhere, it just makes you better. Its out of pure love of the sport that you decide to play it. However, that doesn't mean it has no long-term value. It ultimately makes you better, it prepares you to go on to bigger, greater challenges; in this case: Championships with titles placed. Recreational clubs attract people who love whatever sport they play. They aren't in it for the title, they are in it to have good, clean, fun, with people they enjoy being around.

Yes, there are people who purely go for the respect gained from winning everything, and that is why there are large-scale racing championships on this site. DeadNutsEven is different, there is more honor/respect/glory earned by simply putting up a pure & honest fight. You may not win, but an amazing 3-way battle for 5th place is worth more than winning by 6 seconds. This is why so many of us have stuck here week after week. We love racing and recognize the honor in putting up an honest fight out on the track.

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On Tuesday, the first race of a full-grid, FIA GT1 championship I participate in took place. Nobody had the faster car, it came down to raw talent under the pressure of an endurance. The racer who took first place made it to Silverstone in the GTAcademy. Finishing 5th in this crowd is a huge achievement and I very happily qualified in a respectable 7th. As you can see I don't have the outright speed necessary to win, but I gave it all out on Suzuka that day. I ended up in the middle of a 3-car battle for 5th for the entire last half of the race.

Before participating in DNE, I would have spun under this kind of pressure. Driving full-fledged race cars on dying tires in a crowd of 3 was insane, but I had a skill nobody else had, and I learned it by racing with you guys every week. This is where DNE has its value. From racing around Suzuka with Cote on my tail and Johnny along side, with NC and Trackbound in front, I now know the limits of my car when its off-racing-line. DNE has made me consistent and aware of the cars around me like no other form of racing could have done. In that Championship, I was able to find the weaknesses of the drivers in front of me, and find a clean pass amongst the immense battle, where I knew I was safe, and didn't jeopardize the race of myself, or the others.

I just felt like sharing that story of how DNE has made me an immensely better racer, and I look forward to Indy next week. 👍
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If we ever make a palmares of the best post in the Dead Nuts Even thread, this post will be a very strong contender.
Thank you for taking the time to write it.
 
Cote Dazur
If we ever make a palmares of the best post in the Dead Nuts Even thread, this post will be a very strong contender.
Thank you for taking the time to write it.
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Thanks! 👍 It felt really long and overbearing when I wrote it, but I'm glad it wasn't interpreted that way. :)
 
Ferraridude308 / ? / Standard / 457PP / Lightly Tuned / No ABS / 155-7mph
(Speed depends on if I feel like burning up the tires or not.)

I'll give you each one guess as to what I'm driving this week. :lol:​

EDIT: My 200th Post!
 
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Ridox2JZGTE / Toyota CELICA GT4 Rally Car (ST205) '95 / Premium / 469PP / Tuned / No ABS / 150 MPH​

Decided to use this after a lounge session with Ferrari, and after he suggested me to do so :D I got motivated even more, it was difficult choice, BMW Z4 M was great too.

The car main drawback is low top speed at 150mph, but it will still be competitive in corners. The car has 276HP, 1395kg, minimum aero front and back.
 
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Ferraridude308
On Tuesday, the first race of a full-grid, FIA GT1 championship I participate in took place. Nobody had the faster car, it came down to raw talent under the pressure of an endurance. The racer who took first place made it to Silverstone in the GTAcademy. Finishing 5th in this crowd is a huge achievement and I very happily qualified in a respectable 7th. As you can see I don't have the outright speed necessary to win, but I gave it all out on Suzuka that day. I ended up in the middle of a 3-car battle for 5th for the entire last half of the race.

Before participating in DNE, I would have spun under this kind of pressure. Driving full-fledged race cars on dying tires in a crowd of 3 was insane, but I had a skill nobody else had, and I learned it by racing with you guys every week. This is where DNE has its value. From racing around Suzuka with Cote on my tail and Johnny along side, with NC and Trackbound in front, I now know the limits of my car when its off-racing-line. DNE has made me consistent and aware of the cars around me like no other form of racing could have done. In that Championship, I was able to find the weaknesses of the drivers in front of me, and find a clean pass amongst the immense battle, where I knew I was safe, and didn't jeopardize the race of myself, or the others.

I just felt like sharing that story of how DNE has made me an immensely better racer, and I look forward to Indy next week. 👍
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Well said Ferrari 👍 I believe that racing in DeadNuts will have a positive effect on anyone's racing, no matter the car or level of racing. There simply is no substitute for running lap after lap in a tight pack of equal drivers. It's the greatest thrill available in GT5 and translates into every type of racing we have available to us. I know it's helped me tremendously, even in stuff like tuning competitions and the Nurb PP Laptime Board. Thanks for the positive feedback:tup:

I updated the post for the Indy race with the top speed of the Z4. I think DSG had a good idea in suggesting we post top speeds so I've gone ahead and changed the post that details how we post our entries as follows:

Post your laptimes like this:

PSN ID/Car/Premium or Standard/PP Level/Tuning level/ABS on or off/Top speed at end of longest straight​

Example:

Johnnypenso/Honda S2000 06'/Premium/415PP/Spec/No ABS/212km/h​

You can use whatever units you like, imperial or metric, if someone wants to convert it, it's only a couple of keystrokes away. The factor is 0.625. Multiply km/h by 0.625 or divide MPH by 0.625.
 
I tried out the BTR last night at Indy...just can't control the thing well enough to race with, with ABS off. Hopped into some near spec Jags, Astons and Maserati's with only transmission and an exhaust upgrade and they were just beautiful out of the box on the SM tires. Plenty of turn in bite and grip at both ends, a real pleasure to drive. I'm guessing one of those will be my final choice:tup:👍
 
Johnnypenso
I tried out the BTR last night at Indy...just can't control the thing well enough to race with, with ABS off. Hopped into some near spec Jags, Astons and Maserati's with only transmission and an exhaust upgrade and they were just beautiful out of the box on the SM tires. Plenty of turn in bite and grip at both ends, a real pleasure to drive. I'm guessing one of those will be my final choice:tup:👍
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I played with the V12 Vantage and XKR a bit as well, both were excellent.
 
Johnnypenso
I tried out the BTR last night at Indy...just can't control the thing well enough to race with, with ABS off. Hopped into some near spec Jags, Astons and Maserati's with only transmission and an exhaust upgrade and they were just beautiful out of the box on the SM tires. Plenty of turn in bite and grip at both ends, a real pleasure to drive. I'm guessing one of those will be my final choice:tup:👍
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I actually have BTR tune from Cape Ring South that works great at Indy Road after some minor changes to LSD and wheel alignment, 460PP - 278HP - 1180kg, consistent 1:46.xxx and no ballast used, top speed at 151mph. Higher top speed will need more pp.

I'm in the DeadNuts lounge now testing more cars :D
 
TrackBound7/02 RX-7 Spirit/Premium/466?/Light Tune/ABS on/150

Tonight was the first time I had done any real driving in a while. Felt off and like I was fighting to get a car dialed in. I am hoping to get on Monday night a bit early and get my time set a bit better. This is about where I am though.
 
I have made several tunes for Indy Road, would it be okay if I post their tunes here ? They should be usable to other tracks with power/PP adjustment.
 
flesxruoyxllik
fles/nsx type r '02/502/tuned/no abs/159mph

had the car sitting my garage all i did was adjust down force
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As long as you are comfortable in this car and can lap the pace with consistancy, you are going to have a good time on Monday's race.
I think you will have company in the NSX camp, as the NSX is the favorite car of an other Dead Nuts Even racer. :)
 
Ridox2JZGTE
I have made several tunes for Indy Road, would it be okay if I post their tunes here ? They should be usable to other tracks with power/PP adjustment.
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Post all the tunes you want, the more the merrier, but the only tunes I will link to the front posts are the complete tunes. Small adjustments to cars here or there I won't link. But if it's complete, like it would be posted in a tuning garage, I'll link every one of them. No photo is necessary, just be sure to it's a full description.

flesxruoyxllik
i just posted a 1.45.563 should i detune a little maybe 499pp?
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You should detune until you are consistently hitting the target time. On most tracks 1PP = .05-.10 seconds so in this case I'd start by dropping 5 PP or so and adjust from there. Generally the bigger the faster the track the more PP makes a difference so at Road Course Indy I'd go with 1PP = .10 seconds, thus 5 PP = .50 seconds. Should get you close.

On smaller tighter tracks like Tsukuba, Eiger etc. 1PP is closer to .05.

EDIT: I am dropping into the Lounge for a while to pick a car for Monday if anyone wants to join in.
 
flesxruoyxllik
i just posted a 1.45.563 should i detune a little maybe 499pp?
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As JP mentionned, you need to detune until you reach the targeted pace, the PP is irrelevant only the pace matters.
As close to a consistant 1.46.000 as you can but not lower.👍
See you tomorrow. :)
 
Johnnypenso/Aston Martin V8 Vantage 99'/Standard/480PP/Tuned/No ABS/251km/h 156 mph.

All 1970 kgs of her...:dopey: Hopefully I'll be slower in the corners than usual and faster on the straights....💡

Just a heads up fellas...you don't have to cancel an entry once you make it. You can qualify and enter as many cars as you like, we'd just prefer you'd stick to one car for race day for consistency of PP adjustment, so there's no need to cancel an entry once you've made it. I'll put them all in the "Qualified Cars" in the race results. The more data we have of qualified cars the better.
 
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I was experimenting around with Google Docs, and I ended up creating a spreadsheet for DNE submissions. Keep in mind that anyone can edit this, so if you see anything wrong, or feel like improving it, please do so. If it gets spammed to death by some random person, I have a backup of it, so don't worry. (Its also under my Google account that I made ages ago, that's why the name is what it is.)

Here it is:

Ferraridude's Super Awesome DNE Spreadsheet​
 
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Sorry to jump off topic... If you haven't seen the release pics of the new C7 Corvette, I strongly suggest you take a few minutes to browse over this article... :drool: :drool: :drool:

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