Depression and Anxiety Thread

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Whenever I take a break or let my guard down a hailstorm of problems is launched into my direction. It feels like I'm in a constant battle with the world itself, it tries to bring me to my knees as hard as it can whenever it sees a tiny gap in my defense or when it senses that I'm trying to launch a counter attack.

Yeah i feel the same. It's like i have to constantly feel like crap so the bad luck bugs won't bite me. Everytime i just let my guard down just one bit. Something just have to bring me down to the lowest point.

Today i saw a post from 9gag that really pisses me off regarding depression. I don't know if i want to share it with you guys, but i feel like beating the hell out of whoever made that post.

And @Suzumiya, i'm sorry you have to deal with those stuff. The people who should supported you instead just makes it hard for you to walk your way in life. I suck at giving advice or words that would encourage you but i just wish you the best of luck in recovering and i hope you get out of your situation in the near future.
 
So it further developed.

My sister just punched me yesterday morning after telling her no to doing her a favor. And just today, I stayed home from my least favorite class and my father slapped me, saying that he won't support me period unless I graduate from a university. Told me to go get a job and pay for half of the house bills. Mom also hates the **** out of me, always talking crap about me to her friends and the other family.
 
So it further developed.

My sister just punched me yesterday morning after telling her no to doing her a favor. And just today, I stayed home from my least favorite class and my father slapped me, saying that he won't support me period unless I graduate from a university. Told me to go get a job and pay for half of the house bills. Mom also hates the **** out of me, always talking crap about me to her friends and the other family.

It's hard for me to sympathize with you because most of what you describe is uknown to me but I feel I'm facing a similar struggle with college. However, the sad truth is that we're at a point in our lives in which we absolutely need to be done with that 🤬, specially if we were given the chance to attend a university in the first place. I'm personally completely disechanted with my career, I loathe the academy and most of my classmates: the future of philosophy is certainly a dark one. But if I dropped out, that'd be game over for me because in this :censored:ing :censored:y country you're absolutely nobody without a college degree and you're hardly going to get over minimum wage without one (Mind you, a minimum wage here is around US$200). So, I got no choice but to feign a smile and power through it.

Get that done while you have some economical support and then get the 🤬 out of there, that's my opinon.
 
Many says 2016 is year when highest suicide occur on many places around the world since 2008 financial crisis. Is that true?
 
"Why do I even bother, goodbye world." - Omnis

At this point, I don't know what to make of it. Someone has logged in to the account at least a couple of times, but there has been no posts made.

@Omnis, I'll be annoyed if it was ultimately what amounted to a mockery of others' experiences of desperation and defeat. I'm already annoyed about the hypocrisy of the way you dealt with Imari in the Castro thread, considering the way you dealt with Imari in this thread not long ago, when it was quite a desperate and defeated time for him - "I'm certainly not going to tune in for a pity party. Did your psychologist tell you to have a fit on the interwebs as part of your therapy?" - and yes, I caught the deleted stuff in the Castro thread. I'm also really not a fan of the way you go about things in general.

But..... if you need help, you need help, and I for one would be perfectly ok with putting the old to bed, and starting afresh with my attitude towards you.

The offer's there.
 
Get real. Hello world is the first thing you write when you learn to program.

goodbye world is the last thing you write when you learn that nobody is going to get with the program.

And I've got two words for you if you think I'm a hypocrite, but I already deleted them. Please don't mention me again, because that little message is code for, "I've had it."

I'm only here to provide update on a long-term situation with which the old boys here are familiar. I will not engage anyone in serious conversation, especially when they do not acknowledge argumentation ethics. No more @ mentions unless you need to message me directly. Thanks.
 
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I didn't know the programming thing, and my concern and offer were both genuine.



Oh well............


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goodbye world is the last thing you write when you learn that nobody is going to get with the program.

Goodbye world is also what people, especially people conversant with the internet, often write before killing themselves. Given your extreme emotional reactions recently, I think it was a reasonable concern, and I think props to @LeMansAid for offering to put aside old differences for the sake of making sure that someone is OK.

You don't need help and that's fine. But I think it's nice to have a community where people will respond to those sort of comments, because one day there may be someone having trouble who really needs someone to reach out.
 
So, I just reread the thread (yes, while other people spent their friday nights with their friends and having fun, I'm wasting mine with sitting alone in my room and reading how people spit out how awful their lives are) and it actually left me quite emotinal.
Sadness, happyness, helplessness, anger - it all was there at one point or another, but mostly it left me with feeling rather pathetic and 'overacting'. I know there are no good or bad, better or worse reasons for having depressions. But a lot of people here really seem to have an awful past which got them depressed, and then I look at what made me (probably) depressed and it just really makes me feel awful.
I read stories about family abuse and what so ever and can't stop thinking "Look at yourself. What's your pathetic excuse for being depressed? That you're a fat, ugly 🤬 who doesn't like himself and never had any friends in his life? Buhuhu"
Reading some of the stories here really leaves me with the feeling that I actually should be ashamed for being depressed, since I've never even been close to awful situations that others had to face at least once in their past.
 
So, I just reread the thread (yes, while other people spent their friday nights with their friends and having fun, I'm wasting mine with sitting alone in my room and reading how people spit out how awful their lives are) and it actually left me quite emotinal.
Sadness, happyness, helplessness, anger - it all was there at one point or another, but mostly it left me with feeling rather pathetic and 'overacting'. I know there are no good or bad, better or worse reasons for having depressions. But a lot of people here really seem to have an awful past which got them depressed, and then I look at what made me (probably) depressed and it just really makes me feel awful.
I read stories about family abuse and what so ever and can't stop thinking "Look at yourself. What's your pathetic excuse for being depressed? That you're a fat, ugly 🤬 who doesn't like himself and never had any friends in his life? Buhuhu"
Reading some of the stories here really leaves me with the feeling that I actually should be ashamed for being depressed, since I've never even been close to awful situations that others had to face at least once in their past.

See, here's the thing about depression: It doesn't care about who it affects. Depression is indiscriminate. A homeless and unemployed person could have it, but so can a billionaire CEO living in a mansion in Beverly Hills. You do not need a reason to be depressed. There's so many causes for depression such as chemical imbalances in the brain, a genetic predisposition to develop depression, related mental health issues (chronic anxiety, autism spectrum disorders), bullying, stress, etc. I do not know your life story so there's a chance that some of the things I mentioned above could have happened to you without even knowing it.
 
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See, here's the thing about depression: It doesn't care about who it affects. Depression is indiscriminate. A homeless and unemployed person could have it, but so can a billionaire CEO living in a mansion in Beverly Hills. You do not need a reason to be depressed. There's so many causes for depression such as chemical imbalances in the brain, a genetic predisposition to develop depression, related mental health issues (chronic anxiety, autism spectrum disorders), bullying, stress, etc. I do not know your life story so there's a chance that some of the things I mentioned above could have happened to you without even knowing it.
I know, it's like I said. There are no good or bad, better or worse reasons to be despressed. Still it leaves me feeling unconfortable. I'd say my life wasn't probably as bad as it might sound? I dunno. Had like 3 - 4 friends in all of my school time. Early years I was rather the one bullying others, but that changed quickly once I was done with elementary school and I became the one bullied. Teachers hated me as well. I remember one of my teachers asking me once if I'd suffer from paranoia. My dad would scream at me on a daily basis for years due to my bad results and behaviour in school (which is quite funny since I'm actually 1:1 like he was and is today. Only school difference being that he dropped out after 9th class while I finished school). My older sister was always ****** to me. No one in my family cared about me at all except for my mom and my great-grandma (still can't deal with her death up to this day, even thought it's like 10 years or longer now). I remember one evening, which burned itself inside my head, and I don't really know why, because back then I didn't cared about that at all, since I already hated my family. It was one of the evenings where the whole family was gathered at my grandmas house (always hated those evenings) when my grandpa and grandma out of no where started to praise my sister "she's something special and we love here very much, since she actually was the first grandchild" and afterwards they turned towards me "but we like you, too". But that actually was nothing new. I'd always be the joke on those evenings with hearing countless jokes like "oh, did your computer break or why are you here?". If I wouldn't knew better I'd say that the situation with me and my sister is a bad sitcom. She's the one full of joy and life, traveling the world when ever she has the time and money and meeting and befriending people as easy as breathing, while I even struggle to meet and 'befriend' people on the internet. I dropped out of college of technology (I really don't know if it's called like that in english) when my depressions started. Everyday I was struggling with just staying awake in class, the fact that I didn't know that the main focus was on how CPUs work and are built and computer stuff like that didn't helped either. Tried to talk with my parents about it multiple times, but they cut me off right at the beginning "You can do that. We believe in you" - talk over. Luckily I already was 18 so I could quit without my parents permission. I'm still suprised that I actually had the guts to do that. Obviously my parents weren't happy about this at all, thought my mom was rather chill about it, but my dad would freak out constantly. After like half a year I knew that I couldn't try to ignore my suicide thoughts any longer and went to a doctor, a desicion I'd surely wouldn't do again if I knew what would follow the next years. Been put under drugs, put in therapies and so on. Nothing really worked. The low point was after like 3 years being 24/7 at home, when my father gave me the option to pick between being put into a work place for people with handicaps (including staying there from sunday to friday) or get lost and try to life on my own. I decided to pick the work shop, again an option I wouldn't choose a second time. I was there for 4 1/2 years and it was awful. I've never been so close to suicide before. I did a apprenticeship there as joiner. A job that I disliked from the first day, but it was the best option they had there. Finished it this year at the end of july and since then I life again with my parents at home. I'm again with a job or any day routine at all and also again without any friends.
That pretty much was my life 'shortly' summarized.

Still leaves me with the feeling that I just don't have a 'valid' reason to be depressed. Didn't grow up in poor conditions, never had to deal with domestic abuse. Just a life spent hidden inside my room, unreachable for the world around me.
 
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So, I just reread the thread (yes, while other people spent their friday nights with their friends and having fun, I'm wasting mine with sitting alone in my room and reading how people spit out how awful their lives are) and it actually left me quite emotinal.
Sadness, happyness, helplessness, anger - it all was there at one point or another, but mostly it left me with feeling rather pathetic and 'overacting'. I know there are no good or bad, better or worse reasons for having depressions. But a lot of people here really seem to have an awful past which got them depressed, and then I look at what made me (probably) depressed and it just really makes me feel awful.
I read stories about family abuse and what so ever and can't stop thinking "Look at yourself. What's your pathetic excuse for being depressed? That you're a fat, ugly 🤬 who doesn't like himself and never had any friends in his life? Buhuhu"
Reading some of the stories here really leaves me with the feeling that I actually should be ashamed for being depressed, since I've never even been close to awful situations that others had to face at least once in their past.

Consider it this way. If a person with a life full of privileges never had a single thing that caused him pain or sadness suddenly experienced such a thing, wouldn't he be right in saying it was the worst thing that had ever happened to him? That it's the greatest pain he has ever felt?

Each and everyone of us had a different upbringing and have different personalities. Some people feel utterly misere when they get average grades at school or the university, some of us couldn't care less but feel shattered everytime our car so much as develops a rough idle. I, personally, take my sentimental failures much serious than other people, likely due to having lost not just one but two fathers. Someone may come on to me and say: "Buhuhu, that's your pathetic excuse for being depressed? Not having a girlfriend? You have a loving family, no financial worries, education and have never gone to bed hungry a single day in your life", and that would only make me pity that person's narrow-mindedness.

Sure, you can abuse this. You can even hurt yourself if you keep justifying yourself and just dig deeper in a well of sadness, but doing the opposite is just as negative. "Oh, I got no reason to be depressed yet I am, that must mean I am THAT pathetic", is an unreasonable way of thinking and should be dealt with as such. I believe you should understand why and how those reasons led to you being depressed instead of just sitting on them or being ashamed for them.

I know, it's like I said. There are no good or bad, better or worse reasons to be despressed. Still it leaves me feeling unconfortable. I'd say my life wasn't probably as bad as it might sound? I dunno. Had like 3 - 4 friends in all of my school time. Early years I was rather the one bullying others, but that changed quickly once I was done with elementary school and I became the one bullied. Teachers hated me as well. I remember one of my teachers asking me once if I'd suffer from paranoia. My dad would scream at me on a daily basis for years due to my bad results and behaviour in school (which is quite funny since I'm actually 1:1 like he was and is today. Only school difference being that he dropped out after 9th class while I finished school). My older sister was always ****** to me. No one in my family cared about me at all except for my mom and my great-grandma (still can't deal with her death up to this day, even thought it's like 10 years or longer now). I remember one evening, which burned itself inside my head, and I don't really know why, because back then I didn't cared about that at all, since I already hated my family. It was one of the evenings where the whole family was gathered at my grandmas house (always hated those evenings) when my grandpa and grandma out of no where started to praise my sister "she's something special and we love here very much, since she actually was the first grandchild" and afterwards they turned towards me "but we like you, too". But that actually was nothing new. I'd always be the joke on those evenings with hearing countless jokes like "oh, did your computer break or why are you here?". If I wouldn't knew better I'd say that the situation with me and my sister is a bad sitcom. She's the one full of joy and life, traveling the world when ever she has the time and money and meeting and befriending people as easy as breathing, while I even struggle to meet and 'befriend' people on the internet. I dropped out of college of technology (I really don't know if it's called like that in english) when my depressions started. Everyday I was struggling with just staying awake in class, the fact that I didn't know that the main focus was on how CPUs work and are built and computer stuff like that didn't helped either. Tried to talk with my parents about it multiple times, but they cut me off right at the beginning "You can do that. We believe in you" - talk over. Luckily I already was 18 so I could quit without my parents permission. I'm still suprised that I actually had the guts to do that. Obviously my parents weren't happy about this at all, thought my mom was rather chill about it, but my dad would freak out constantly. After like half a year I knew that I couldn't try to ignore my suicide thoughts any longer and went to a doctor, a desicion I'd surely wouldn't do again if I knew what would follow the next years. Been put under drugs, put in therapies and so on. Nothing really worked. The low point was after like 3 years being 24/7 at home, when my father gave me the option to pick between being put into a work place for people with handicaps (including staying there from sunday to friday) or get lost and try to life on my own. I decided to pick the work shop, again an option I wouldn't choose a second time. I was there for 4 1/2 years and it was awful. I've never been so close to suicide before. I did a apprenticeship there as joiner. A job that I disliked from the first day, but it was the best option they had there. Finished it this year at the end of july and since then I life again with my parents at home. I'm again with a job or any day routine at all and also again without any friends.
That pretty much was my life 'shortly' summarized.

Still leaves me with the feeling that I just don't have a 'valid' reason to be depressed. Didn't grow up in poor conditions, never had to deal with domestic abuse. Just a life spent hidden inside my room, unreachable for the world around me.

You live in Germany, you have no reasons to be depressed! :lol:. That's some third-world thinking for you, I'm sorry, it's sticky.

And I insist. Thinking yours aren't 'valid' reasons to be depressed is wirklich scheiße. Those feelings must've come out of somewhere because, living in the cause/effect driven reality we live in, that kind of 🤬 doesn't come out of nowhere. Those kind of thougts are just depression talking, there's absolutely no logic to them so try and focus on the things you can make sense of.
 
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It's hard for me to sympathize with you because most of what you describe is uknown to me but I feel I'm facing a similar struggle with college. However, the sad truth is that we're at a point in our lives in which we absolutely need to be done with that 🤬, specially if we were given the chance to attend a university in the first place. I'm personally completely disechanted with my career, I loathe the academy and most of my classmates: the future of philosophy is certainly a dark one. But if I dropped out, that'd be game over for me because in this :censored:ing :censored:y country you're absolutely nobody without a college degree and you're hardly going to get over minimum wage without one (Mind you, a minimum wage here is around US$200). So, I got no choice but to feign a smile and power through it.

Get that done while you have some economical support and then get the 🤬 out of there, that's my opinon.
I hear you, this university crap has to be finished by us ourself no matter how hard it is, it's just exhausting as hell. The society has created this kind of view where if you don't go to uni, you're automatically trash.

So, I just reread the thread (yes, while other people spent their friday nights with their friends and having fun, I'm wasting mine with sitting alone in my room and reading how people spit out how awful their lives are) and it actually left me quite emotinal.
Sadness, happyness, helplessness, anger - it all was there at one point or another, but mostly it left me with feeling rather pathetic and 'overacting'. I know there are no good or bad, better or worse reasons for having depressions. But a lot of people here really seem to have an awful past which got them depressed, and then I look at what made me (probably) depressed and it just really makes me feel awful.
I read stories about family abuse and what so ever and can't stop thinking "Look at yourself. What's your pathetic excuse for being depressed? That you're a fat, ugly 🤬 who doesn't like himself and never had any friends in his life? Buhuhu"
Reading some of the stories here really leaves me with the feeling that I actually should be ashamed for being depressed, since I've never even been close to awful situations that others had to face at least once in their past.
I know how you feel about that and sometimes reading other people's stories are hard, especially if it's something no one deserves to experienced. But then again, depression is dangerous no matter how you get it. Just remember that we are all in this together, trying to survive everyday.
 
Reading some of the stories here really leaves me with the feeling that I actually should be ashamed for being depressed, since I've never even been close to awful situations that others had to face at least once in their past.

Like Dan said, depression isn't something that you need to have a reason to have. I mean, there can be reasons that might make someone more prone to depression, but it's not exclusive.

Think of it like lung cancer. If you've been smoking for 50 years, then yeah, maybe the lung cancer might have been caused by that. But there's also people who just get lung cancer despite not smoking and living otherwise healthy lives, and those people shouldn't feel guilty about getting sick.

You have an illness. It's not your fault. You could have the best life in the entire world and still be depressed, because it's just one of your organs (in this case your brain) going wrong. You wouldn't feel bad that you didn't have an excuse for why you had a heart attack. You shouldn't feel bad about this.

Of course, depression by nature makes you feel bad about everything, so me telling you this isn't going to make you feel better. But know that what you're feeling is not because of you, or anything you have or haven't done. It's your brain trying to mess with you, and the only way out is to not listen to it's BS when it tells you that you're not worthy. You know deep down that in there is a good person who doesn't deserve to feel like this all the time, and you shouldn't get distracted by your silly brain telling you otherwise.
 
I know it hasn't been long since my last post but I still haven't been called for anything for a job. Thought for sure I would get a short seasonal job for the holidays somewhere but that didn't happen and now I keep feeling more worthless.

I feel embarrassed to say this but I just keep hating myself for not being as social and smart.
 
I know it hasn't been long since my last post but I still haven't been called for anything for a job. Thought for sure I would get a short seasonal job for the holidays somewhere but that didn't happen and now I keep feeling more worthless.

I feel embarrassed to say this but I just keep hating myself for not being as social and smart.

It's been ages since your last post in here!

It sucks that you didn't get a job for the holidays, but it's a busy time and it's maybe you just got unlucky. Try not to feel too bad about it, but if it's really bumming you out maybe just take a break from looking. It's hard to interview well if you're not feeling it, so you're better off spending time trying to work on yourself until you think you've got the fire again.

As far as being social and smart goes, I think our culture puts way too much value on these things. Being an introvert is often seen as somewhere between abnormal and a disease, and it's just not true. Heaps of people are introverts, to greater or lesser degrees. It can be harder to find a place to fit in, but you will and people will appreciate you for who you are once they get to know you.

Don't try and change yourself into something you're uncomfortable with, there are people like me who got through it and found themselves a place even though I'm introverted enough to have passed on going to the Christmas party tonight with free food and booze. I cannot deal with 50+ people all getting drunk at once, even though I like most of them individually.

And smart is a weird thing. Most people think book smarts, like Big Bang Theory or something. But actually unless you're a top 1% academic, being smart is substantially less valuable than just being hard working. I will take a hard working employee over a smart one any day. People who are into their jobs can learn and become experts even if they dropped out of high school, but you can't make a smart person work if they don't want to.

Seriously, I'm highly educated myself and I'd be labelled as smart by most, but if there's a problem in our factory I go ask the leading hand who has worked there for 10 years. I may have book smarts, but he has actual smarts because he's out there working hard and has seen every problem before. I'd be an idiot to waste my time trying to figure it out myself when there's someone else who I know can do it better than me, even if he doesn't have "qualifications" or whatever. Smart is getting the job done well, not how many letters you have after your name.

If you're not a book smarts guy, and most aren't, be the guy who becomes actually smart by working hard. The bonus is that it will come naturally if you pay attention to your job and try to improve every day.

I hope you can find some pleasure in your work free holiday. Have a kitty hug, just for the tough times.

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Anybody else sad for the holidays?

I spend the night with my family but I still feel lonely...and my family is impossibly boring! Moreso, everything went to hell with her last year at around this time and the festive cheer of everyone just bums me out even more.

Time to break the "I don't get tipsy around family" rule. I'm too sober to endure this 🤬 of a Christmas.
 
Depression is horrible just about any time of year. It takes on greater pain when it is the Holiday season, when there is usually togetherness with family and friends. Have to try to remain positive and feel loved. Or at least, try to.

Happy Holidays to all of you regardless.
 
I know what it's like not feeling loved.
I am in this mood right now where I could just snap at anyone any second.
So instead I am ignoring just about everything for the rest of the night.
Got something that should put me to sleep and I won't even have my phone in my room so if I do wake up I won't have the urge to check it.

I just don't get why people get so jumpy over something so minor that it's practically nothing.
I mean come on, a picture that is already on the profile. Edited a bit to make it more like "better", just for it to be that it's not good. I mean what's wrong with it? Don't like change? If everyone I tried to be with hated change then I should just slap them one so hard that they go into a different world. I could see if it was a picture not already that has been shared.

To make things maybe even worse, she hasn't even attempted to reason with me after I said I was going off for the night. Not one single message.
If she did that she would expect at lease one thing from me, but still I got nothing, and in 3 hours I am going to bed so I am even questioning if I should even log on tomorrow morning or not.

Best thing I have learned out of this, You can't live with them but you can't live without them.
Relationships suck.
 
I know what it's like not feeling loved.
I am in this mood right now where I could just snap at anyone any second.
So instead I am ignoring just about everything for the rest of the night.
Got something that should put me to sleep and I won't even have my phone in my room so if I do wake up I won't have the urge to check it.

I just don't get why people get so jumpy over something so minor that it's practically nothing.
I mean come on, a picture that is already on the profile. Edited a bit to make it more like "better", just for it to be that it's not good. I mean what's wrong with it? Don't like change? If everyone I tried to be with hated change then I should just slap them one so hard that they go into a different world. I could see if it was a picture not already that has been shared.

To make things maybe even worse, she hasn't even attempted to reason with me after I said I was going off for the night. Not one single message.
If she did that she would expect at lease one thing from me, but still I got nothing, and in 3 hours I am going to bed so I am even questioning if I should even log on tomorrow morning or not.

Best thing I have learned out of this, You can't live with them but you can't live without them.
Relationships suck.

Damn, I feel you way more than I'd like to. If anything, we should have hope in the possibility of better relationships with more valuable people (i.e: gurrrls). But, damn, it's absurdely hard to keep the faith when reality is such 🤬.
 
Damn, I feel you way more than I'd like to. If anything, we should have hope in the possibility of better relationships with more valuable people (i.e: gurrrls). But, damn, it's absurdely hard to keep the faith when reality is such 🤬.

I know. Then to add in a bit of "seasonal affective depression" just makes things a bit more complex.
Then with some low level ASD to where everything is viewed differently just complicates things even more.
I had bad relationships in the past. Like one of them, My high school girlfriend ended up leaving me for my best friend at the time. So it's like what do you do. Am I not good enough? Just because I didn't have a car at the time? Job? Schooling? Own Place? Like I am only one person that cannot do things as well as others right away. It takes time.
 
I've been depressed since late 2014. I've gotten better over time, though, as I'm far better compared to the beginning. Still recovering though. My depression meant I stopped studying, so I'm just trying to spend time at home. Simracing and gaming are my main distractions and ways of killing time. But...it's unfortunate I don't really have any friends to call close, as I pretty much require them to have very similar characteristics, interests and mindset in order to develop a close bond. As such, I often feel lonely.

Just putting this in here since I thought why not.
 
Pristiq (desvenlafaxine) is a anti-depressant/anxiety medication and for me it's 🤬 horrible.

Good thing I have some of my previous, preferable to this, medication.

Sounds like you're getting hit with side affects then. What are they, by the way?
 
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