Drag Racing Mode

[Strittan]

Nice letter, but what about burnouts? or is it to much to ask for?

I was gonna add burnouts as well, but yes, unfortunately I think it's too much to ask for. Also, I stated drag tires would be a big bonus, and burnouts without drag tires do little to no good.

 

[mafia_boy]

Let's just ask them to allow us to apply different levels of VHT for more traction, Las Vegas is like a skating rink when you're dealing with 1000hp+! Put it in this context:

Standard - like currently on GT4
Sport - Slight VHT layer, ala your average street car drag meet.
Race - Fully prepped track for the mega hp monsters.

And how about a little wheelstanding while we're at it??

 

[happycorey]

The wheel standing is kind of iffy though, not only did FM3 advertise it and it's not possible, I found that Las Vegas gave less traction than the Test Course did when I would do a short run in the time trial. Not in specific drag 400m race.

Also a 1/4mile, 1/2mile, 1 mile, and maybe a 2-5 mile strip would be great to offer.

 

[Jdm_209]

The wheel standing is kind of iffy though, not only did FM3 advertise it and it's not possible, I found that Las Vegas gave less traction than the Test Course did when I would do a short run in the time trial. Not in specific drag 400m race.

Also a 1/4mile, 1/2mile, 1 mile, and maybe a 2-5 mile strip would be great to offer.

1/8 and 1/4 is all we need no need for 1/2 or 1 mile tracks, when u can use race editor or Top Gear Test track for that.

Let's just ask them to allow us to apply different levels of VHT for more traction, Las Vegas is like a skating rink when you're dealing with 1000hp+! Put it in this context:

Standard - like currently on GT4
Sport - Slight VHT layer, ala your average street car drag meet.
Race - Fully prepped track for the mega hp monsters.

And how about a little wheelstanding while we're at it??

Gt5p has traction, i used the z06 max hp, r3 tires and tc at 5, and didn't much spin.

 

[Jay]

Gt5p has traction, i used the z06 max hp, r3 tires and tc at 5, and didn't much spin.

because you have traction control on a mid setting..

 

[Strittan]

Also a 1/4mile, 1/2mile, 1 mile, and maybe a 2-5 mile strip would be great to offer.

Let's keep this as realistic as possible, will ya? I have mentioned before that there are no drag races longer than a 1/4 mile.

As JDM_209 said, real life drag strips are either 1/8 mile or 1/4 mile. NHRA national event races are 1/4 mile only, except for Top Fuel and Funny Car which runs only 1000ft of the drag strip ever since Scott Kalitta's fatal accident last year.

Gt5p has traction, i used the z06 max hp, r3 tires and tc at 5, and didn't much spin.

💡

 

[Jay]

1km (1000m) runs are fairly popular with street tuners in Japan but it's nothing really officially sanctioned, more of a club thing.

Not really drag racing though I guess, just timed straight runs they all compete for.

 

[mafia_boy]

The wheel standing is kind of iffy though, not only did FM3 advertise it and it's not possible, I found that Las Vegas gave less traction than the Test Course did when I would do a short run in the time trial. Not in specific drag 400m race.

I can tell you that times are very similar on both areas, but because LV has no elevation changes, the times nudge in their favour. Plus, times from LV are the only ones I accept on the 1/4 mile. In saying that however, I have done a time at LV, gone to the TC and gone faster but returned to LV and beaten the TC time again.

As for FM3, I'll leave out of that because that just leads to fanboy arguments time and time again. 👎

Also a 1/4mile, 1/2mile, 1 mile, and maybe a 2-5 mile strip would be great to offer.

Nah.....that gets so NFS'ey it's not funny. The current system (400m, 1000m) is perfect for all intensive purposes. You can tune a great racing gearbox from the 1000m tuning because you have that ability to test the gearbox in a similar state to what you would be racing with. And the 400m is perfect for us drag nuts and Top Speed is great for all the V-max heads.

 

[Strittan]

I know this will never ever happen, but as a NHRA fan I think it would be really cool if contingency decals were included.

In NHRA each decal is worth $300 for a win and $100 for runner up. This doesn't necessarily have to be the case in the game however. It could be setup by the online game hoster for example. Let's say I host a game and decide the race itself gives you 5000 Cr if you win and each contingency decal gives you another 100 Cr, then let's say you have 10 decals on your car. That's quite some bonus money.

If you ever wondered why cars in NHRA used so many decals, you now know.

Again, this is just me dreaming a little too much. It will never happen unless I make a game on my own, lol.

 

[mafia_boy]

The problem with that for me strittan is that I like my cars clean and pure to give it that sleeper look. Sure, it would help with the bonus money, but I wouldn't put them on the car just for that reason of purity.

Okay, maybe just a shopping list considering I'd be using Japanese cars primarily.

 

[Strittan]

The problem with that for me strittan is that I like my cars clean and pure to give it that sleeper look. Sure, it would help with the bonus money, but I wouldn't put them on the car just for that reason of purity.

Of course. Everyone doesn't put on decals in NHRA either, because as you say, it ruins the clean look of the car... but they will not get that extra money then.

It's up to each individual to decide whether they like more money or a good looking car.

Example. Both of these '69 Camaros races in the Super Stock category within NHRA...

 

[nist7]

Not really, because they have top notch cooling systems to keep the car as cool as possible to make the most horsepower. 👍

Hmm, not sure if they have "top notch cooling systems". I know that the Top Fuel cars have almost zero cooling (besides incidental cooling like the motor oil, and the nitromethane fuel), and so they are "overheating" all the time but since the engine block has no coolant passages so its completely solid for insane strength...and since the motor has to be basically rebuilt anyway there is no need for extra cooling as long as the motor can last through a few min of idle and then about 4-5 seconds of wide open throttle.

Yes of course "overheating" loses hp but these motors operate at well over 3000hp+ (top fuel cars estimated at 8000hp) and any hp loss due to overheating is virtually negligible and the effort and weakness introduced with adding extra cooling would be a detriment at the level that these cars perform at. But then again not sure about funny cars, but I wouldn't be surprised if the funny cars are built similarly with no extra cooling since it would be a waste of time to devise a giant radiator or run a sophisticated cooling passageway through the block since these motors are basically being pushed to pump out way way more hp for just a few sec.

 

[Sureboss]

Also why the parts don't last long, when your clutch reaches temperatures of 1,000C...

 

[happycorey]

Let's keep this as realistic as possible, will ya? I have mentioned before that there are no drag races longer than a 1/4 mile.

I'm not trying to have official NHRA specific rules. I admit 2-5 mile is a lot, but A good solid top speed straight is what we need. As far as 1/8 1/4 and a mile, That would be good, but honestly 1/4 and 1 mile would be the best bet.

I'm just trying to race my car against the clock, and possibly against friends.

I can tell you that times are very similar on both areas, but because LV has no elevation changes, the times nudge in their favour. Plus, times from LV are the only ones I accept on the 1/4 mile. In saying that however, I have done a time at LV, gone to the TC and gone faster but returned to LV and beaten the TC time again.

There is no elevations changes in the Test Course either (not in the 400m) but I have been at least .5 sec faster. But I used LV as my official counter.

Nah.....that gets so NFS'ey it's not funny. The current system (400m, 1000m) is perfect for all intensive purposes. You can tune a great racing gearbox from the 1000m tuning because you have that ability to test the gearbox in a similar state to what you would be racing with. And the 400m is perfect for us drag nuts and Top Speed is great for all the V-max heads.

Well all it well, but the standing mile would be perfect as well for a lot of higher end cars. But I agree 400m and 1000m is great, but I would also like a standing mile. And no turns in my top speed run.

As far as stickers.. Well the idea was cool in TXR Drift 2, you would drift gymkhana events and get a boat load of sponsor money, it wasn't a problem for normal racing since I didn't want it on any of my cars, but I had one set car that I would acquire money with. But other wise I'm doing drag racing as fun. Like photomode. IF they put it in to the career mode, then that will be a different story but it's a less efficient way to get more money when PD could just reward us

 

[Strittan]

Hmm, not sure if they have "top notch cooling systems". I know that the Top Fuel cars have almost zero cooling (besides incidental cooling like the motor oil, and the nitromethane fuel), and so they are "overheating" all the time but since the engine block has no coolant passages so its completely solid for insane strength...and since the motor has to be basically rebuilt anyway there is no need for extra cooling as long as the motor can last through a few min of idle and then about 4-5 seconds of wide open throttle.

Yes of course "overheating" loses hp but these motors operate at well over 3000hp+ (top fuel cars estimated at 8000hp) and any hp loss due to overheating is virtually negligible and the effort and weakness introduced with adding extra cooling would be a detriment at the level that these cars perform at. But then again not sure about funny cars, but I wouldn't be surprised if the funny cars are built similarly with no extra cooling since it would be a waste of time to devise a giant radiator or run a sophisticated cooling passageway through the block since these motors are basically being pushed to pump out way way more hp for just a few sec.

Top Fuels doesn't need cooling systems because the fuel itself cools the engine. Funny Cars is the same, since they use the same type of engine...

Pro Stocks doesn't have 3000 hp, if that's what you're saying. In NHRA, Pro Stocks use 500ci V8 engines with dual 4 barrel carburators. No turbos, no superchargers, no nitrous, nothing... They're at about 1100 hp. Oh, and they have cooling systems as well...

Pro Stock engine:

 

[nist7]

Top Fuels doesn't need cooling systems because the fuel itself cools the engine. Funny Cars is the same, since they use the same type of engine...

Pro Stocks doesn't have 3000hp... not even half of that...

Oh yeah?, it seems then that the nitromethane does do alot of cooling by itself.

What about cooling for the pro stock cars?

Ok the youtube vid was of pro stock cars which is definitely lower hp, but it is quite impressive that they can make mid 6s with just around 1500hp...where as all these "street cars" on youtube (the ryan woon supra, heffner viper, etc.) with close to 1500hp are chugging around in the 8s it seems. also what's the advantage in letting the other guy stage first?

edit: yeah that 500ci limit is an annoying limit. I've always wondered if you took out all these restrictive rules and let the best drag race engineers work their brains to tweak the top fuel motors (ie, more dispalcement, possibly turbo?) to see just how fast we can make a tire-utilizing vehicle can go.

 

[Strittan]

edit: yeah that 500ci limit is an annoying limit. I've always wondered if you took out all these restrictive rules and let the best drag race engineers work their brains to tweak the top fuel motors (ie, more dispalcement, possibly turbo?) to see just how fast we can make a tire-utilizing vehicle can go.

Um... they already have? Top Fuel!

 

[Strittan]

also what's the advantage in letting the other guy stage first?.

It gets him out of the rythm. If you stage last you're ready, he is not. Kind of anyway...

EDIT: Oops, sorry for double post, thought I clicked the edit button...

 

[nist7]

Um... they already have? Top Fuel!

Well I'm saying even top fuel is limited to 500ci. Not sure if turbo is allowed, and there may be other restrictions too....so what im saying is if you let the engineers go to town on a top fuel car with no ci limits, not forced to use the blower, etc. and see just how fast they can go with full potential so to speak.

It gets him out of the rythm. If you stage last you're ready, he is not. Kind of anyway...

ok i think i see what you are saying....basically the guy who stage first wont know when the 3 amber will light up whereas the 2nd guy to stage has somewhat of a better idea

 

[Strittan]

Well I'm saying even top fuel is limited to 500ci. Not sure if turbo is allowed, and there may be other restrictions too....so what im saying is if you let the engineers go to town on a top fuel car with no ci limits, not forced to use the blower, etc. and see just how fast they can go with full potential so to speak.

They don't need turbos because they already have blowers, which are much more effective on this area. I also think they're pretty much at the limit. I mean, the engine is just a hair string away from exploding every round, and many times they do.

ok i think i see what you are saying....basically the guy who stage first wont know when the 3 amber will light up whereas the 2nd guy to stage has somewhat of a better idea

Exactly. 👍

 

[DK]

edit: yeah that 500ci limit is an annoying limit.

There's only one way to get by that: buy Japanese! Or are Japanese cars banned too?

 

[nist7]

They don't need turbos because they already have blowers, which are much more effective on this area. I also think they're pretty much at the limit. I mean, the engine is just a hair string away from exploding every round, and many times they do.

hmm good point. They are basically 300mph+ explosion on wheels...i guess it wouldn't matter that much more if they added some more displacement

 

[Strittan]

There's only one way to get by that: buy Japanese! Or are Japanese cars banned too?

Let me know when you find a japanese car with an engine larger than 500ci.

And no, japanese cars are not banned, they can be run in Comp and Sport Compact (perhaps more classes as well).

 

[DK]

Let me know when you find a japanese car with an engine larger than 500ci.

Wait...it's a minimum of 500ci? Damn it!

 

[Strittan]

Wait...it's a minimum of 500ci? Damn it!

No, but you do realize "ci" means cubic inches, right?

 

[mafia_boy]

edit: yeah that 500ci limit is an annoying limit. I've always wondered if you took out all these restrictive rules and let the best drag race engineers work their brains to tweak the top fuel motors (ie, more dispalcement, possibly turbo?) to see just how fast we can make a tire-utilizing vehicle can go.

Um... they already have? Top Fuel!

But Top Fuel has a HUGE set of restrictions. In the old days, there was a guy who ran a nitromethane turbo motor which did very well, but things were going crazier and crazier and the NHRA stepped in and put the 500ci AND 14/71 Supercharger rule (with a set overdrive limit), and they have had restrictions on the nitromethane levels (the 85% rule, used to be 90%).

 

[Strittan]

But Top Fuel has a HUGE set of restrictions. In the old days, there was a guy who ran a nitromethane turbo motor which did very well, but things were going crazier and crazier and the NHRA stepped in and put the 500ci AND 14/71 Supercharger rule (with a set overdrive limit), and they have had restrictions on the nitromethane levels (the 85% rule, used to be 90%).

Yes, but I still don't think it's possible to go much faster. We humans have our limits as well.

Why NHRA set these restrictions and rules is to make the sport safe, and still people die (Kalitta last year and Eric Medlen the year before that) so whether it's possible or not, making the cars go even faster is simply not an option...

 

[alg]

 

[Strittan]

Just got the reply from Sony Computer Entertainment Japan.

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We would like to express our thanks for your loyal patronage.Regarding your inquiry, we SCEJ would like to inform you the followings.

We will forward your great opinion to the appropriate division in ourcompany. We always take seriously our customer's comment and do ourbest to meet their expectations as much as possible.However, please note that we cannot promise that we will correspond withyour request about Gran Tourismo.

As you may already know, Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. (SCEI) hasimplemented a territorial-based distribution and support system forits hardware, software, peripherals and network services due to thedifferent language, voltage standards and the system issues.SCEI has contact points in each region/country for customer supports,and this department is established to support for the customers insideof Japan, or the users of Japanese PlayStation products.

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Amazing that he spelled Gran Turismo wrong!

EDIT: Since we now know these letters will make it to the developers (I hope anyway), I suggest you who want drag racing in Gran Turismo to write them. Give them your own ideas about how it could work and so on. 👍

 

[alg]

Just got mine also

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We would like to express our thanks for your loyal patronage.
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We will forward your great opinion to the appropriate division in our
company. We always take seriously our customer's comment and do our
best to meet their expectations as much as possible.

However, please note that we cannot promise that we will correspond with
your request about Gran Tourismo, and we cannot provide the contact
information of our individual staff.

As you may already know, Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. (SCEI) has
implemented a territorial-based distribution and support system for
its hardware, software, peripherals and network services due to the
different language, voltage standards and the system issues.
SCEI has contact points in each region/country for customer supports,
and this department is established to support for the customers inside
of Japan, or the users of Japanese PlayStation products.

For the above reasons, if you have any comments and questions about the
service and products in the country you live in, please contact the
customer support of Sony Computer Entertainment Hong Kong （SCEH）
directly form the information below.

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