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It's a bit silly that no one ever seems to retire either. I know there are no mechanical failures (which is stupid), but after all the bumping I see, I'd expect a retirement, or at least someone to pit.
The 2 things that are really pissing me off is that the AI are ridiculously easy. I play them on Legend difficulty, and I can finish 8th in a race in a Virgin? It's just stupidly unrealistic. I can also qualify around 10th-15th. I'm using a pad too, no steering wheel, which I'd expect to be better with.
Pit stop times are ridiculously long.. I'm getting 5-6 second pit stops just to change a set of flippin tyres.
The 2 things that are really pissing me off is that the AI are ridiculously easy. I play them on Legend difficulty, and I can finish 8th in a race in a Virgin? It's just stupidly unrealistic. I can also qualify around 10th-15th. I'm using a pad too, no steering wheel, which I'd expect to be better with.
Pit stop times are ridiculously long.. I'm getting 5-6 second pit stops just to change a set of flippin tyres.
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- Maxitsu
thats not true, when when the leader finishes, all cars who complete there lap will be classified. if you are 1 lap behind you will have +1 lap, 2 laps will, +2 lap,... i would be having +7 laps. even the car in front of me had +4 laps.
in real f1, even if they crash at the end of the race they will be classified. for example. Vettel is 5th in the same lap as the leader. he crashed 3 laps before the end. He will be clasified whit +3 laps. and will be in front of the cars that haf +4 laps or more.
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- Glasgow
- GTP_Mars
If the race is 56 laps long, you would need to have done atleast 50 to be classified according to the 90% thing. That means, if you are within 6 laps of the leader, you could still crash and be classified, whereas if you are over 6 laps behind, which you were, you can stay on track and not be classified...
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- Maxitsu
oh thats right:tup:
Enigma
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You are very fortunate to have had a go on a real F1 simulator, although it sounds a bit scary
I understand you wont be able to tell us all about it for obvious reasons, but is there anymore you can share with us, like how do the graphics/physics compare to games us mere mortals play on our consoles like F1 2010, F1CE even GT5P, I would love to hear anything else you can share.
Also , I didn't know you were Anthony's brother, know I know why I couldn't keep up with you in our race in Event 03
You are very fortunate to have had a go on a real F1 simulator, although it sounds a bit scary
I understand you wont be able to tell us all about it for obvious reasons, but is there anymore you can share with us, like how do the graphics/physics compare to games us mere mortals play on our consoles like F1 2010, F1CE even GT5P, I would love to hear anything else you can share.
Also , I didn't know you were Anthony's brother, know I know why I couldn't keep up with you in our race in Event 03
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- caymanSrulz
The record is 3.0 this year I believe. Most are in the low 4 second bracket though. I haven't completed a proper race offline yet but pitting to change a nose online the nose didn't take any longer than the tyres and I got 8-9 seconds. Not sure how fast the AI stops are though. Hopefully it's equal.
- 6,065
- Simcoeace
Did three 40% races at Sepang last night. Racing in Grand Prix mode as Button, I started 3rd, 5th, & 6th, and finished 22nd, 14th, & 13th (hardest settings). My times were from 1.36 to 1.38. If I had been able to stay consistently in the lower range of those times I think I would have won. In every race, I ended up spinning out a couple of times, which cost me a lot of time & places.
In my experience so far the AI is first rate, certainly much more detailed & interactive than in F1CE. I have never encountered AI cars doing anything stupid or bizarre. They occasionally make (realistic) mistakes. Best AI in a PS3 racing game.
The physics seem consistent & realistic, albeit (presumably) not as hard as they would be in RL. Most interestingly, I have discovered that subtle, controllable understeer & oversteer is modeled & you can actually feel this & control it through the FFB once you are attuned to it. In this sense F1 2010 is ahead of the more linear on & off physics of F1CE. Im F1 2010 it is possible to spin out by throttling too hard at a variety of points on the track.
Every PS3 racing game I've played so far (including F1CE) has missed some features that were included in other games. From what I've seen so far, F1 2010 does a very good job in the most important areas: graphics*, physics & (especially) AI, & I've come around on the FFB - a bit light, but actually quite communicative.
*(Yes, the graphics are well short of "great", but while racing are easily "good enough" IMO. Replays are pretty poor - the cars really do "float" above the road surface in a bizarre way!)
In my experience so far the AI is first rate, certainly much more detailed & interactive than in F1CE. I have never encountered AI cars doing anything stupid or bizarre. They occasionally make (realistic) mistakes. Best AI in a PS3 racing game.
The physics seem consistent & realistic, albeit (presumably) not as hard as they would be in RL. Most interestingly, I have discovered that subtle, controllable understeer & oversteer is modeled & you can actually feel this & control it through the FFB once you are attuned to it. In this sense F1 2010 is ahead of the more linear on & off physics of F1CE. Im F1 2010 it is possible to spin out by throttling too hard at a variety of points on the track.
Every PS3 racing game I've played so far (including F1CE) has missed some features that were included in other games. From what I've seen so far, F1 2010 does a very good job in the most important areas: graphics*, physics & (especially) AI, & I've come around on the FFB - a bit light, but actually quite communicative.
*(Yes, the graphics are well short of "great", but while racing are easily "good enough" IMO. Replays are pretty poor - the cars really do "float" above the road surface in a bizarre way!)
MagpieRacer
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I think you must be playing a different game. Are you sure its actually on legend cos I think your lying basically. I play with a wheel, all aids off, actually on legend AI. Qualified 18th finsihed 24th, this is not an easy game, so you must either be very very good or lying. And even if you were good the Virgin still sucks thus I still call bluff, especially on a controller pad, no chance.
Pit stops, again, you must be doing something wrong, I.E missing your box which requires them to move it back makes it take longer.
I suggest, go try it on the hardest difficulties with aids off, rules on on legend and then tell us how you get on.
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- GTP_BlacqueJack
- 76
I've missed the box a couple of times, and it's been around an 8-9 second pit stop, and when I've not missed the box it's been 5-6 seconds.
I'm definitely playing on Legend, the only Aid I have is traction control on Medium because I'm playing with a pad like I said. It's just to easy to overtake in the races, and I'm punching above my weight with qualifying. At least in F1:CE I qualified where I was supposed to in the car I had. I'm in a Virgin racing car with no R&D and I'm hitting 12th ish fairly easily in Qualifying.
In terms of racing, the AI are more varied and realistic than F1:CE but they are still too easy to overtake (I do get absolutely blitzed on straights which is right, because they have faster cars).
I'm not bull****ting you or lying whatever. I qualified 10th in Bahrain and finished 8th. Qualified 15th in Melbourne but had a poor pitstop so finished 22nd, and then in Sepang I qualified 12th but got spun out by a oddly lowly place Kubica, and finished in 20th. In Melbourne my highest place was 9th, in Bahrain I got up to 6th, and in Sepang the highest I got was 8th. I've either had slow stops, or people have had faster out laps than me.
*EDIT
Plus, look in the Video thread. A guy there playing on full difficulty, with a HRT at Bahrain, starts dead last and finishes first, and you're telling me the AI isn't too easy?
MagpieRacer
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And there is the answer. I'm running a career in Expert, Legend AI with no aids and have managed a best of 15th @ Melbourne with a best Quali of 13th at the same venue in a HRT. At the moment im 5 rounds complete and haven't even come close to seeing points. In a Virgin or Lotus i might be slightly more competitive, but who knows... i picked HRT to see if the challenge was there. I'm certainly no gun steerer, but i can hold my own well enough. Now, with all the talk of how "easy" the game is for many on here, i thought i'd just have a look at some of the settings when you adjust difficulty back from Expert to Hard, Medium or Easy..... on Hard you get Traction Control enabled, which is a massive massive massive performance gain, somewhere in the region of 1.5secs + per lap. I can't recall if Tyre and Fuel Simulation are off, but one or both of them might possibly be.
From there on as you roll back on the difficulty the aids all get ramped up and the penalties and realism (Tyre wear, fuel load, damage etc) disappear, allowing peak (make that unrealistic) performance from the car all the time.
Example: @ Catalunya in a HRT, on Hard, TC on Medium.... Qualify on Pole by 1/10th of a second, and win the race by 2secs from Webber, at 20% race distance. Now, i've run 100's of laps @ Catalunya, so it's probably not a fair comparison, but it's a valid one i feel. It's a massive step back in difficulty from all aids off.
The biggest gain in performance is definitely TC, followed by Tyre Simulation off. ABS is a big benefit also.
Anyone on here who can get points in the bottom 3 cars on Expert Level, Legend AI with all Aids off shouldn't be here on the forum, they should be out with Jordan Tresson racing for GT Academy...... they must be THAT good.
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Just won my second WDC title with Toro Rosso this season at Spa 👍 (First was with HRT). Leading the constructors with 350 points, all collected by me as Buemi can't score any points 
. Been offered a contract by Red Bull that i can't decline so i'll just not accept it 
(don't like being 2nd driver).
I'm playing with all drivings aids off, on the hardest setting (legend AI) and I run 20% races.
Also I use a G25 👍
. Been offered a contract by Red Bull that i can't decline so i'll just not accept it (don't like being 2nd driver).I'm playing with all drivings aids off, on the hardest setting (legend AI) and I run 20% races.
Also I use a G25 👍
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- KR_Viper
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How is it unrealistic? From the get-go it was already said (in one of the diaries, I believe) that all the cars would be equally balanced. If they weren't, who in their right mind would choose to join Torro Rosso, HRT, Lotus, or Virgin? Unless of course you just like not winning anything.
Getting a performance gain with aids on is an entirely different story though, but even that isn't necessarily 'unrealistic'.
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Just won my second WDC title with Toro Rosso this season at Spa 👍 (First was with HRT). Leading the constructors with 350 points, all collected by me as Buemi can't score any points
I'm playing with all drivings aids off, on the hardest setting (legend AI) and I run 20% races.
Also I use a G25 👍
BS, give us a screenshot. There is no way that you have run 32 rounds since last Wednesday (excluding Practice and Qualifying) with HRT on Expert/Legend especially and have had the success you've had.
But, If you have indeed had this success...... and you aren't a BS artist, then give a breakdown of your skill, share your setup tips, because you would have to be in the top 10 drivers worldwide on any platform to do that, and you must know something about setup to get a HRT to the WDC on Expert with No aids.
So, put your money where your mouth is.......... enlighten us.
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Codemasters have never claimed to have wanted to make F1 2010 the most realistic sim ever, they have however claimed that they wanted it to be fun, and knowing the interest that many of us have in the newer teams they decided to equalize the playing field to some degree. Like I've already said the top teams still have a performance advantage, so the bias is there but it isn't as relevant as it is in real life.
Also, rFactor is hardly a proper measurement of anything. I love the game and all, but some of the physic models for the F1 mods are just asinine. They're either impossible to control, too easy to control, or have a good feeling but there's nothing else beside that.
McLaren
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Just bought it on Steam after trying a buddy's copy out. I'm running TC on medium for the time being, & just doing time trials and practice in the grand prixs.
I will give the AI on hard a go later on. A quick race with Massa at Canada netted me first by several seconds on Medium.
I will give the AI on hard a go later on. A quick race with Massa at Canada netted me first by several seconds on Medium.
