February Tuner Garage Battle!!! [CLOSED]

[Lusitano]

The reason is that some chassis' can take max power, some cannot. Pushing a car past what the car's "bones" can handle leads to a pretty awful driving experience and lap times. I included the option to give people a bit more variety rather than a blanket-rule of "MAX EVERYTHING!

Ok psychot|K, thanks for your appreciated explanation:tup:

 

[WarDamnEagle53]

Don't you want to see which one puts down the best lap times?

 

[VTiRoj]

Come on guys, there are already like 600,000,000 NSX tunes out there, pick something else!

No!

Unless the FT-86 suddenly overtakes the Kia, then okay.

 

[BlueShift]

My only objections/things I wanted to say :

- A moderate hp NSX is the easiest car to tune and hardest car to drive and test among all this list (at least if you want some tuning challenge for that car, take it with max hp, or take a S-Zero max hp).

- A lot of garages got allready their own tune... Not very fair but I'll take the challenge, I'm a NSX lover since GT1

- With an ugly aero part, it'll be a piece of cake compared to what I'm planning with the S-Zero . No (ugly) aero would be another story.

The reason is that some chassis' can take max power, some cannot. Pushing a car past what the car's "bones" can handle leads to a pretty awful driving experience and lap times. I included the option to give people a bit more variety rather than a blanket-rule of "MAX EVERYTHING!".

"MAX EVERYTHING!" is exactly what makes the difference between horrible, so-so, good and excellent tunes, but I'll play by your rules anyway. I hope we'll have access to every single tunable part and no **** part like half-race suspension. For me aero is an exception for this car just because it's ugly on that car. Come on, it destroy her rear wing, what makes NSX so special.

And yes, it's possible to "max everything" on an '99 S-Zero NSX @446HP/1036kg (more or less) with no aero so her bones can handle the +/-420hp/1120kg (more or less) of this car with an aero. People just can't drive it well.

Question about tires / tuning conditions : online/offline ? Which tires ? Tires exaustion or not ? Gaz exaustion or not ?

 

[Paulie]

No!

Unless the FT-86 suddenly overtakes the Kia, then okay.

Just what is the Kia? I haven't done any NSX tunes myself yet, but I thought the point of this contest was to give the tune to the people in the highest demand. Basically what they're saying is....they hate your crappy tune Roj. Yep, that must be it.

I kid of course.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

Just what is the Kia? I haven't done any NSX tunes myself yet, but I thought the point of this contest was to give the tune to the people in the highest demand. Basically what they're saying is....they hate your crappy tune Roj. Yep, that must be it.

I kid of course.

Kia = '07+ Subaru Impreza. In this case, the '10 sedan.

 

[VTiRoj]

Just what is the Kia? I haven't done any NSX tunes myself yet, but I thought the point of this contest was to give the tune to the people in the highest demand. Basically what they're saying is....they hate your crappy tune Roj. Yep, that must be it.

I kid of course.

This is a Kia. A Kia Rio sedan to be exact.

And this is a Subaru Impreza sedan.

Understand?

You're treading on thin ice now Paulie. You may have not tuned an NSX but there's an NSX at LDP. Dragonistic is gonna beat you over the head now.

 

[Paulie]

This You're treading on thin ice now Paulie. You may have not tuned an NSX but there's an NSX at LDP. Dragonistic is gonna beat you over the head now.

Nobody knows about LDP, they have yet to uncover the awesomeness that is his NSX.

 

[VTiRoj]

Nobody knows about LDP, they have yet to uncover the awesomeness that is his NSX.

Liar. All the guys from GT5P know you at least.

 

[Paulie]

Liar. All the guys from GT5P know you at least.

Hey Roj, "I never lie". *Lie detector explodes*

 

[psychot|K]

Ok psychot|K, thanks for your appreciated explanation:tup:

No problem!

Don't you want to see which one puts down the best lap times?

Nope.
Just like in a real race, no one gets a medal for the quickest single lap, they get medals for the quickest 30+ laps. Thus, we care about average laps times.

My only objections/things I wanted to say :

- A moderate hp NSX is the easiest car to tune and hardest car to drive and test among all this list (at least if you want some tuning challenge for that car, take it with max hp, or take a S-Zero max hp).

- A lot of garages got allready their own tune... Not very fair but I'll take the challenge, I'm a NSX lover since GT1

- With an ugly aero part, it'll be a piece of cake compared to what I'm planning with the S-Zero . No (ugly) aero would be another story.


"MAX EVERYTHING!" is exactly what makes the difference between horrible, so-so, good and excellent tunes, but I'll play by your rules anyway. I hope we'll have access to every single tunable part and no **** part like half-race suspension. For me aero is an exception for this car just because it's ugly on that car. Come on, it destroy her rear wing, what makes NSX so special.

And yes, it's possible to "max everything" on an '99 S-Zero NSX @446HP/1036kg (more or less) with no aero so her bones can handle the +/-420hp/1120kg (more or less) of this car with an aero. People just can't drive it well.

Question about tires / tuning conditions : online/offline ? Which tires ? Tires exaustion or not ? Gaz exaustion or not ?

Yeah... a lot of garages do in fact have their own NSX tune, but the people have spoken! If the people want a TGB with the moderate NSX, that's what they get Plus, it will be a great way to distinguish between all these NSX garage tunes; Finally get to see which truly is the fastest!

By MAX-EVERYTHING I'm referring to HP only. You'll have full access to fully customizeable suspension, LSD, and transmission (including aero and weight reduction).

For tuning conditions, I will stipulate offline for a few reasons:
1) Many people have told me they don't have their PS3 connected to the internet. So we need to make it fair for everyone technological limitations.
2) The offline practice mode already keeps your top 10 laps in the leaderboard, so that makes it very easy to submit those laps.

 

[Project41]

No problem!



Nope.
Just like in a real race, no one gets a medal for the quickest single lap, they get medals for the quickest 30+ laps. Thus, we care about average laps times.



Yeah... a lot of garages do in fact have their own NSX tune, but the people have spoken! If the people want a TGB with the moderate NSX, that's what they get Plus, it will be a great way to distinguish between all these NSX garage tunes; Finally get to see which truly is the fastest!

By MAX-EVERYTHING I'm referring to HP only. You'll have full access to fully customizeable suspension, LSD, and transmission (including aero and weight reduction).

For tuning conditions, I will stipulate offline for a few reasons:
1) Many people have told me they don't have their PS3 connected to the internet. So we need to make it fair for everyone technological limitations.
2) The offline practice mode already keeps your top 10 laps in the leaderboard, so that makes it very easy to submit those laps.

Honestly, you made it so we could only vote on 6 overly tuned cars to begin with.. And I'm not sure if average lap time is a good idea, shouldn't it be the fastest time? I know you are looking for consistency but at what point are you testing the consistency of the car or the consistency of the driver? Hope that makes sense.

Also, how long are we going to get to tune once the car has been picked for February?

 

[psychot|K]

So you mean have each driver submit their fastest time with each tune only?

 

[Adrenaline]

So you mean have each driver submit their fastest time with each tune only?

By my understanding, he's implying that 1 mistake can cost any tune a huge amount to their 'average'. If I'm running consistent 1:15's at trial mountain, and I make a silly mistake, and the 10th lap is a 1:25. That single mistake, that was my fault, will lower the garages entire lap average by 1 full second for my 10 lap set.

I think that's what he means by comparing the consistency of the driver vs the tune. It's a valid point, another of which that comes to mind, is the order in which tunes are tested. I'd be willing to put money, that the last 4 tunes, will have an advantage over the first 10, simply due to a learning curve, you expect any person to experience, over the course of 200 laps. It's only to be expected that your last 50 laps will be considerably better than your first 50, even if the tune is slightly weaker.

Nothing we can decide will be perfect, but we can try to minimize room for error. From this point in the conversation, I see a few options.
1: Use the best lap only.
Pro: Shows max potential, disregards any driver error
Con: Doesn't measure the consistency or reliability of the car
Conclusion: What is the goal of this Battle? Is it to create the fastest tune, or the most consistent?
2: Remove the Highest/Lowest lap time from every driver. Leaving an 8 lap consideration for each drivers 'average'
3: Remove all lap times, that clearly had driver mistakes, rather than tune mistakes. This would probably be (just an idea) "Any lap time, slower than 1.0 seconds than the drivers fastest lap time, is excluded"

There's probably better solutions, these are just the 3 that came to mind while considering what was mentioned thus far.

 

[psychot|K]

By my understanding, he's implying that 1 mistake can cost any tune a huge amount to their 'average'. If I'm running consistent 1:15's at trial mountain, and I make a silly mistake, and the 10th lap is a 1:25. That single mistake, that was my fault, will lower the garages entire lap average by 1 full second for my 10 lap set.

I asked the drivers via. eMail to submit only clean laps.

Speaking of which, I sent you a PM asking you to send an eMail to the TGB address. Are you not participating anymore? If so, let me know and I'll adjust the lists.

 

[Adrenaline]

I asked the drivers via. eMail to submit only clean laps.

Speaking of which, I sent you a PM asking you to send an eMail to the TGB address. Are you not participating anymore? If so, let me know and I'll adjust the lists.

Is that the wrong address?

 

[psychot|K]

Is that the wrong address?

Nah that's totally right: gtplanet.tgb@gmail.com

I never got it! Can you try again if you don't mind?

 

[Paulie]

The poll is a dead heat!

 

[psychot|K]

I know... kinda freaky!

I guess it just goes to show we have quite a wide array of enthusiasts and brand-loyalists here at GTP

 

[psychot|K]

Well, stupid me forgot to put an expiry date on the poll, so I'm taking a screen shot as of mid-day on Sunday (today). And with an insanely close running for the entire duration of the poll, it looks like the Subaru (a bit neglected around these parts) will finally get some limelight!

I'll be updating the spreadsheets for the tuners and send them out tonight so they can get started on their voodoo.

 

[VTiRoj]

So close for the NSX! If only someone had voted moderate instead of max or vice versa. Oh well, time to make a killer Kia.

 

[budious]

How is this a win for the Subaru, obviously more people are interested in the NSX combined (60) vs (43)??!

I think the winner here is a NSX with engine tune 2 and titanium semi-race exhaust.

Perhaps ask the forum administrators if it is possible to enable multiple polls per thread and one vote for car and second vote for power option in next round.

 

[articzap]

How is this a win for the Subaru, obviously more people are interested in the NSX combined (60) vs (43)??!

I think the winner here is a NSX with engine tune 2 and titanium semi-race exhaust.

STi won. There's no way you can argue it doesn't have the most vote. This wasn't a vote based on car first, power second. It was for the one thing you wanted. NSX moderate people didn't want a max power tune, so what qualifies those votes to justify that it won?

 

[budious]

STi won. There's no way you can argue it doesn't have the most vote. This wasn't a vote based on car first, power second. It was for the one thing you wanted. NSX moderate people didn't want a max power tune, so what qualifies those votes to justify that it won?

It won by one vote, not by a landslide and the NSX has 39% more popular interest.

 

[articzap]

It won by one vote, not by a landslide and the NSX has 39% more popular interest.

You fail to understand what I'm saying. I understand what you're saying though. You're saying that because more people wanted an NSX as a whole, it should be the car awarded the win.

I'm saying that because half of those people wanted a moderate HP NSX, not a maxed HP NSX. By the way they voted, that should decitate that their vote does not mean they have any interest in the max HP NSX, or they would have voted that way. So by popular vote, the STi is the technical winner.

 

[budious]

You fail to understand what I'm saying. I understand what you're saying though. You're saying that because more people wanted an NSX as a whole, it should be the car awarded the win.

I'm saying that because half of those people wanted a moderate HP NSX, not a maxed HP NSX. By the way they voted, that should decitate that their vote does not mean they have any interest in the max HP NSX, or they would have voted that way. So by popular vote, the STi is the technical winner.

I understand what you're say, I'm disagreeing. There was not outright formal definitions made as to how to interpret the poll results, you're biasing your conclusion on your opinion of the matter, I'm biasing mine on my opinion. Guess it's up to event host to make the final call and to specify the rules and results better for next round.

 

[shaneth]

I would understand that if it was a tie between the STi and one of the NSX's that they may then look at the overall count for the car, but when there is a clear winner there is a clear winner even if it is by 1 vote.

Edit -And i voted for the NSX.

 

[articzap]

I understand what you're say, I'm disagreeing. There was not outright formal definitions made as to how to interpret the poll results, you're biasing your conclusion on your opinion of the matter, I'm biasing mine on my opinion. Guess it's up to event host to make the final call and to specify the rules and results better for next round.

I'll agree to that.
👍

 

[psychot|K]

How is this a win for the Subaru, obviously more people are interested in the NSX combined (60) vs (43)??!

I think the winner here is a NSX with engine tune 2 and titanium semi-race exhaust.

Perhaps ask the forum administrators if it is possible to enable multiple polls per thread and one vote for car and second vote for power option in next round.

Well, 30 people would disagree with you want want Engine Tune 3 and titanium race exhaust

Joking aside, articzap is right, we just take the poll entry with the most votes. We don't take the car into consideration first and power second. As you can imagine, the power that a car has can make it a completely different machine, so "power" and "car" must be considered together when determining what people are interested in most.

 

[psychot|K]

Guess it's up to event host to make the final call and to specify the rules and results better for next round.

I'm sorry. I thought it was clear that the entry with the most votes won, I didn't think it needed clarification. I will make it completely crystal clear next month if you want however.