Fight for $15. (Fast food protest)

I wasn't aware of that - in Australia, there are different rates of pay, minimum wage (about $16/hour) applies to those aged 18 and over. Teenagers have a lower minimum. We also have different rates of pay for permanent, casual, part time etc.
Some places here have laws that require teenagers to work only a certain number of hours and only within certain times of day, so they are legally forced to make less than someone who is older. In these places it is illegal for a teenager to work full-time year round.

I'd prefer to pay someone $15 to make a burger, as opposed to paying a person $15 to service the machine that makes burgers.
I'd prefer to only buy my meat and produce from local farmers with the knowledge that the fruits and vegetables were picked within the last 48 hours and that the animal was slaughtered in a facility I could drive to and look at, but from about October to April it is just too cold to have any locally grown produce and too risky to slaughter any herd animals that might be needed for breeding stock next spring in the event of weather related deaths or diseases. So, during that time frame I am most likely buying Round Up soaked GMO produce or something picked thousands of miles away, before it was even ripe, and my meat will have to come from farms and slaughter houses where the animals stand around in their own feces and are given all kinds of drugs to make them healthy and appealing.

I have found canning and freezing as a good way to get myself through the winter (along with partaking of the large haul of venison my uncle brings in), but if fast food goes the way of automation, you can't freeze a lifetime supply of Big Macs.

As for Subway: What will you do when they get automated? Look at the automated burger machine. It custom creates your burgers, cuts and preps condiments and toppings as it needs them. A machine can be fresh than the Eat Fresh franchise, and the sub maker would be cheaper because it wouldn't need to have a grill section.


As for what I'd rather pay for: Since I need to customize my order to fit my diet, which will get it right? I once had to send two of the three things I ordered back at a McDonalds. I don't know what is so hard about "no ice" and "no cheese" but they seem to be stumbling points for the local franchise. And by the time I am done the courtesy and friendliness are long gone.



That's not for you to decide. Economics.
To be honest, looking at the way organics and places like Trader Joes have gained a large following I believe that he will have that choice. It might not be a place he wants to eat, but he will be allowed to choose it.



There are other fast food vendors. I'm prepared to pay a bit more for better food and better service. My preferences are relevant to their staffing.
Only if there are enough of you to make it happen. Ask all the mom and pop shops that fell to Wal-Mart how their loyal customers did for them. Your choices would be far and few between.

I'm actually in support of higher minimum wages for you, your family, your friends and the rest of North America.

I'm trying to help you, man.
Does it really help anyone? If you are making minimum you are still at the low end of the wage pool. Poverty is a comparative figure, not a solid figure. The poverty rate moves as wages move. You know what will happen if the national minimum is $15/hour? People making $15/hour will be poor. Once everything adjusts people making $15/hour will be just as poor as they are at $8/hour today.

One thing you forget is that not only does this affect minimum wage earners, but everyone who makes between minimum wage and $15/hour. That is a much larger number than just the number of minimum wage earners that politicians and talking heads bounce around. Then when all of those people make $15/hour what do you think the people who make $15/hour right now will say? Some of them have college degrees, years of on-the-job training that they used to move up from $8/hour to that point. Suddenly their education, experience, and skill makes them no more money than the guy who cleans out their trash at the end of the night. So they want a pay increase as well. But then they pass people above them and those people complain. Either you screw some group somewhere or every wage in the country increases to maintain fairness among the employees.

Now, I know the thought process is that they should screw the executives. Sure, you screw the top 1%. But they are being paid as much in stocks as cash. The stock value of all these companies takes a fall. People back out of their investments and suddenly the company takes a large blow. It has to compensate or stagnate growth until things get back to normal years later. Stagnated growth means no new jobs. Compensation means less jobs.

Who are you trying to help again?

Not that I have pity for food workers, but I tend to give a nice tip every time. I usually do a flat rate of $5.
Even fast food workers? I don't tip the guy who punches a few buttons and then hands me a bag. If they come out and offer to get me a refill or cleanup my stuff that I am finished with I will think differently about it, but they have to be stepping up to make me think they earned more than what they are already being paid.

Wait staff at a sit-down restaurant is a completely different beast.
 
Even fast food workers? I don't tip the guy who punches a few buttons and then hands me a bag. If they come out and offer to get me a refill or cleanup my stuff that I am finished with I will think differently about it, but they have to be stepping up to make me think they earned more than what they are already being paid.

Wait staff at a sit-down restaurant is a completely different beast.
Oops, I didn't differentiate. I don't tip fast food people much. I tip a flat rate of $5 for diners.
 
Franchise start up cost is around $1 million. It's obviously a very profitable business model, or no franchisee would get finance.
It's actually $1-2.3 million + $750k in liquid assets.

jimipitbull said
I'd prefer to pay someone $15 to make a burger, as opposed to paying a person $15 to service the machine that makes burgers.
And nothing is stopping you from doing that right now.
 
Subway. More powerful than you could possibly imagine.
Subway isn't a really good comparison to McDonalds. Subway uses a small bread oven, a toaster, and a microwave. McDonald's needs a much larger space, walk in freezers, deep fryers and expensive oil to go in them, grills, drive through stuff, and a much larger building in the first place. It's much more expensive to make a $5 burger than a $5 sub.
 
Independent Journal Review has collected a lot of Twitter posts and pictures of McDonald's beginning their automated kiosk switchover. I couldn't help but notice that many are from places that have already raised their minimum wage.
 
Subway isn't a really good comparison to McDonalds. Subway uses a small bread oven, a toaster, and a microwave. McDonald's needs a much larger space, walk in freezers, deep fryers and expensive oil to go in them, grills, drive through stuff, and a much larger building in the first place. It's much more expensive to make a $5 burger than a $5 sub.

You can make $5 burgers on a BBQ.
 
Subway isn't a really good comparison to McDonalds. Subway uses a small bread oven, a toaster, and a microwave. McDonald's needs a much larger space, walk in freezers, deep fryers and expensive oil to go in them, grills, drive through stuff, and a much larger building in the first place. It's much more expensive to make a $5 burger than a $5 sub.
Given that their food combos all end up being in the same price range, I'd say they are quite comparable in terms of cost/unit.
 
You can make $5 burgers on a BBQ.

That's great. It has nothing to do with the costs of running a McDonald's franchise.

Given that their food combos all end up being in the same price range, I'd say they are quite comparable in terms of cost/unit.

There's no need to do an in-depth financial analysis of what it costs to run a McDonalds. All you need to know is that if an employee can't earn their salary they won't get hired. Period. End of story. If McDonalds relies on employees to run, and their employees can't earn what they cost, McDonalds closes. That's it. No way around it.

Also interesting to note is that alternatives end up 100% more attractive when minimum wage doubles.

Again, it's very simple. If an employee can't bring in more than $15 per hour in value (plus benefits, plus overhead costs, plus social security) to the company, there is no job.
 
Is it me or is it the fact such a High percentage of Americas are working minimal wage, jobs mostly intended for teenagers and students in other western countries.

This then scewers the employment figures as they wouldn't class a teenage student as unemployed.

Meaning the real issue here is lack of employment in general.
 
Meaning the real issue here is lack of employment in general.

I'm not so sure there is a lack of jobs currently. I think it's a combination of a few things actually.

1. The companies that are hiring above minimum wage are being forced to pay more so they are seeking people with experience doing whatever the job happens to be so they don't have to spend tons of time training them. This can be rather annoying for job-seekers, but I can't blame the employers.

2. For some reason people seem repulsed by manufacturing work. I'm constantly seeing ads for temp.* jobs at factories starting at $11/hour+. Sure it's still a low paying job, but at least it's 40 hours a week and more than minimum wage.

*I do have a dislike for temp. jobs as quite a few companies abuse them, but there are also plenty of good ones that hire people on after a set number of hours.
 
Is it me or is it the fact such a High percentage of Americas are working minimal wage, jobs mostly intended for teenagers and students in other western countries.

This then scewers the employment figures as they wouldn't class a teenage student as unemployed.

Meaning the real issue here is lack of employment in general.
What is the "high percentage" of Americans working for minimum wage?
 
@mustafur From your article:

last year 1.532 million hourly workers earned the federal minimum of $7.25 an hour; nearly 1.8 million more earned less than that because they fell under one of several exemptions (tipped employees, full-time students, certain disabled workers and others), for a total of 3.3 million hourly workers at or below the federal minimum.

That group represents 4.3% of the nation’s 75.9 million hourly-paid workers and 2.6% of all wage and salary workers.

I don't think anyone would call 2.6% a "high percentage".
 
@mustafur From your article:



I don't think anyone would call 2.6% a "high percentage".
People at or below the federal minimum are:

Disproportionately young: 50.4% are ages 16 to 24; 24% are teenagers (ages 16 to 19).

What this says is most of these are in the 20 to 24 age, with teenagers only making up 24% of the figure.


If you look on this Bar Graph down the bottom you can see in 2012, USA and South Korea are almost tied on the most worker percentage earning minimal wage(USA has slight more)with countries that have it under OECD records at slightly above 25% of total work force. Hugely significant number.

http://www.theguardian.com/business...the-forefront-of-a-debate-on-the-minimum-wage
 
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People at or below the federal minimum are:

Disproportionately young: 50.4% are ages 16 to 24; 24% are teenagers (ages 16 to 19).

What this says is most of these are in the 20 to 24 age, with teenagers only making up 24% of the figure.
But more that half of those are earning less than the minimum wage, that means they are disabled and getting government assistance, or students ( I have no clue where those "students" are. I question the whole article, because as far as I know no one works for less than minimum wage.)

Or they are tipped employees. The waiters in the company I work for make more than the management. $20 or more an hour in tips is very common for a dinner service.
 
But more that half of those are earning less than the minimum wage, that means they are disabled and getting government assistance, or students ( I have no clue where those "students" are. I question the whole article, because as far as I know no one works for less than minimum wage.)

Or they are tipped employees. The waiters in the company I work for make more than the management. $20 or more an hour in tips is very common for a dinner service.
Look at the link provided at the end of that post.
 
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/09/08/who-makes-minimum-wage/

That is a significantly high number, for example in Australia not even McDonald's and Supermarket jobs pay Minimum wage and pay around 4 dollors more an hour then it.
Perhaps surprisingly, not very many people earn minimum wage, and they make up a smaller share of the workforce than they used to. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, last year 1.532 million hourly workers earned the federal minimum of $7.25 an hour; nearly 1.8 million more earned less than that because they fell under one of several exemptions (tipped employees, full-time students, certain disabled workers and others), for a total of 3.3 million hourly workers at or below the federal minimum.
3.3 million out of 300+million people is a big number? I don't think so. I expected a significantly higher number to be honest.
 
That's because from what I can see the big number is between minimum wage and 2/3rds of Median wage.

Americans make up the most workforce out of any Western country in that range at slightly above 25%. With the median of countries polled at.

Chances are overtime and 2nd job income scewers statistics at this level.
 
Look at the link provided at the end of that post.
If your concern is inequality then minimum wage is far from where you should start.

Also, inequality is a function of the economy and even nature. Equality is not a state that can ever be reached without some amazing scientific advancements to the degree of Star Trek.
 
If your concern is inequality then minimum wage is far from where you should start.

Also, inequality is a function of the economy and even nature. Equality is not a state that can ever be reached without some amazing scientific advancements to the degree of Star Trek.
Since when did I say I was concerned with inequality.

only thing I have been talking about is the percentage of people earning the Minimum.

Minimum wage is proven to increase inflation.
 
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Since when did I say I was concerned with inequality.

only thing I have been talking about is the percentage of people earning the Minimum.

Minimum wage is proven to increase inflation.
The article was focused on inequality. I misunderstood what you were trying to say.
 
The whole idea of a minimum wage is pretty stupid because you are a)forcing employers to discriminated and b)essentially pricing individuals out of the labor market. The very same can be said equal pay laws.
 
The whole idea of a minimum wage is pretty stupid because you are a)forcing employers to discriminated and b)essentially pricing individuals out of the labor. The very same can be said equal pay laws

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It will be pretty sad if something like that comes down here to Atlanta, where all city employees excluding firefighters and police just got raises...

Why people support minimum wage or equal pay laws is beyond me but in reality all they are doing is calling for jobs to be outlawed because that is what equal pay and minimum wage laws does.

speaking of an awesome piece from the awesome mises institute which destroy the minimum wage argument:

https://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Minimum_wage
 
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