Formula 1 Gran Premio de España Santander 2012

[OK8]

Who the bejesus is that guy?


Edit: Just realised he's the Williams reserve driver

"The man called BOTTAS"

I have high hopes for his future.

Any news on what changes Ferrari made here?

At one point of FP2 the BBC "pit guy" (can't remember his name) knew all the parts they had changed but can't remember them all. Atleast a new floor and new exhaust (and maybe 3-5 more things).

Didn't seem like it was working that well though, the Ferrari was looking really magnificient with Alonso countersteering in almost every corner even in practice. Sadly, controlled oversteer isn't the fastest way to get around a track nowadays.

BTW; will BBC be showing FP3 and/or quali?

 

[toyotsupra]

"The man called BOTTAS"

I have high hopes for his future.



At one point of FP2 the BBC "pit guy" (can't remember his name) knew all the parts they had changed but can't remember them all. Atleast a new floor and new exhaust (and maybe 3-5 more things).

Didn't seem like it was working that well though, the Ferrari was looking really magnificient with Alonso countersteering in almost every corner even in practice. Sadly, controlled oversteer isn't the fastest way to get around a track nowadays.

BTW; will BBC be showing FP3 and/or quali?

It will be showing everything today including FP3 and Qualifying and the race tomorrow..and the red button

 

[OK8]

Great! Thanks! 👍

 

[Jsoccer9]

Any news on what happened to Hamilton, and in fact McLaren, in FP3 (not their positions, but why they were so slow)?

 

[Tesla]

Probably sandbagging or experimenting with different setups. Remember, practice sessions are usually never accurate representations of pace in qualifying or the race.

 

[That90sGuy]

Hamilton was actually on a fast lap but got held up by Raikkonen and Karthakayan

 

[SilverArrow]

Any news on what happened to Hamilton, and in fact McLaren, in FP3 (not their positions, but why they were so slow)?

He didn't have a single clear lap on the soft tyres.

 

[tribolik]

Hamilton was actually on a fast lap but got held up by Raikkonen that was being held up by Karthakayan

Changed it a bit... for truth sake

 

[That90sGuy]

Changed it a bit... for truth sake

Haha. That's what happens when you rely on live timing updates

 

[IceMan PJN]

That's not a McLaren exclusive. I call Hungary 2008.
- Massa leading
- 3 laps to go
- engine explodes


If that engine had lasted ... LH wouldn't have a single WDC to his name. And Massa would be a former WDC.

We can play the would-have game in various ways, however. For example, Lewis Hamilton won in Spa, and even the Ferrari fans supported him as the rightful winner, but the stewards unfairly stole the win from him and gave it to the second-rate Massa, who didn't in any way earn it. He wasn't even in the same race as Lewis and Kimi. Lewis complied with the rules as written at the time, and the rules were only updated after the race, but Lewis still got penalized for it anyway, and no matter how you cut it that was completely unfair. This took four points away from Lewis and gave two to Massa. Had they not cheated Lewis, he would instead have 102 points at the end of the season versus Massa with just 95.

Now, you could argue that this is still just a spread of seven points between them, and had Massa not had the mechanical failure it would have netted him more than seven points, but Lewis also drove conservatively in Brazil at the end of the season, doing just enough to ensure the win, so had he needed more points he probably would have pushed harder to earn them. Again, we can play the what-if/should-have game here. Someone could argue that he only lucked into a position on the last turn of the last lap and up to that point was failing to carry the required position, but that was down to dumb luck with poorly-timed rain, and had he needed a higher finishing position he could have fought harder for a higher position throughout the race.

 

[Matty]

We can play the would-have game in various ways, however. For example, Lewis Hamilton won in Spa, and even the Ferrari fans supported him as the rightful winner, but the stewards unfairly stole the win from him and gave it to the second-rate Massa, who didn't in any way earn it. He wasn't even in the same race as Lewis and Kimi. Lewis complied with the rules as written at the time, and the rules were only updated after the race, but Lewis still got penalized for it anyway, and no matter how you cut it that was completely unfair. This took four points away from Lewis and gave two to Massa. Had they not cheated Lewis, he would instead have 102 points at the end of the season versus Massa with just 95.

Now, you could argue that this is still just a spread of seven points between them, and had Massa not had the mechanical failure it would have netted him more than seven points, but Lewis also drove conservatively in Brazil at the end of the season, doing just enough to ensure the win, so had he needed more points he probably would have pushed harder to earn them. Again, we can play the what-if/should-have game here.

How exactly did he drive conservatively? He got 5th place in the last corner, he only won the thing in the very, very last corner. Complete opposite of conservatively, especially since he had a gearbox problem on the first lap. I'm a Massa fan, but it's blatantly obvious Hamilton drove his ass of that day.

Anyway, what are the odds of a fifth different winner from a different team? Perez looks strong around here. 👍

 

[That90sGuy]

Q1 underway. Here we go folks (or not)

Edit: Finally some action. Not surprising it took this long though

 

[dhandeh]

Red Bull need to get a move on!

 

[Liquid]

Well that's it for Senna!

 

[Biffy]

Wow, looks like Senna used too much kerb there.

 

[That90sGuy]

Senna's off and out! And I can't predict who'll make it through to Q3, it's all so tight that no one is safe

 

[bloodstriker]

Can anyone explain why Martin Brundle is saying that the hard compound is going to be favored over the softs for the race?

 

[gorsad]

That's sad, he looked to be somewhere in the top 10. Hope he fights back tomorrow, really think that Williams has the pace. At least Pastor Maldonado's finding it.

EDIT:

Can anyone explain why Martin Brundle is saying that the hard compound is going to be favored over the softs for the race?

I assume because they'll last much longer than the soft compound. The commentators on ESPN HD are saying the same thing.

 

[That90sGuy]

Can anyone explain why Martin Brundle is saying that the hard compound is going to be favored over the softs for the race?

The soft tyre wears away so much that the hard tyre is faster on a long run

 

[Liquid]

That's sad, he looked to be somewhere in the top 10.

He was 18th and several tenths away from 17th. He was going out of Q1 anyway.

 

[jaymanji]

Looks like Red Bull are saving up on the harder tyres.

 

[gorsad]

He was 18th and several tenths away from 17th. He was going out of Q1 anyway.

Huh, my TV showed the sector time as 0.083 seconds off in the 2nd sector. I thought that meant 1st place, guess it meant 17th place.

 

[SilverArrow]

Perez only one to get through without the soft tyres.

 

[SuperDiscoDaz]

I wouldn't fancy picking the top 10 cos it's just so tight and how F1 should be

 

[niky]

To be fair, Lewis didn't need that second run... But man, is the field close in Q1...

 

[bloodstriker]

No grip at all on turn 9

 

[Alex p.]

Hamilton is in his own league.

 

[mister dog]

Hate that chicane before the last turn, those 2 turns they used to take at full velocity before the start-finish line where the most exciting ones of the circuit...

 

[SuperDiscoDaz]

Hate that chicane before the last turn, those 2 turns they used to take at full velocity before the start-finish line where the most exciting ones of the circuit...

Yeah I agree but I guess it's been put in to help the cars close up and give drivers a chance to overtake on the start/finish straight.

 

[Matty]

Can anyone explain why Martin Brundle is saying that the hard compound is going to be favored over the softs for the race?

BBC said the same thing, because there isn't much difference other then that the primes (silver) will outlast the options (yellow).