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Lewis taking over 10 laps to pass George with a damaged front wing tells me that the big upgrade package from Mercedes is probably not up to snuff since it looks like the old spec is faster. Not taking anything away from Russell because he defended well too but he definitely had much better pace without that front wing damage.
On another note, well done Carlos! That was a commending victory.
I think even without the penalties, Max would have probably still finished 6th looking at his pace. I recon both Mercs would have overtaken him.
Edit: Just wanted to add, Carlos really is an underrated driver. I feel like if he has more support from Ferrari, he probably would have achieved a lot more. I find him way more consistent than Charles and I'm betting he will be wiping the floor with Albon at Williams.
On another note, well done Carlos! That was a commending victory.
I think even without the penalties, Max would have probably still finished 6th looking at his pace. I recon both Mercs would have overtaken him.
Edit: Just wanted to add, Carlos really is an underrated driver. I feel like if he has more support from Ferrari, he probably would have achieved a lot more. I find him way more consistent than Charles and I'm betting he will be wiping the floor with Albon at Williams.
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It seems that the stewards (this week not including Derek Warwick, unlike last week) have recalled "Document 44 - Infringement - Car 1 - Turn 8 Leaving the track and gaining an advantage" on the basis that "Further details to be included in Decision. Replacement document to follow."
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At least he hasn't parked his car on top of Norris like he did to Lewis at Monza in 2021...yet....
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I think there was also a mention that Max probably would have won the race if he didn't take the position and hold him up in the early stages. Unrepentant and indifferent - such a lack of any character of sportsmanship.
He probably would have been 5th without the penalty, I think he would have held off one of the mercs - so he ended up 2 points worse to take 7 points off Lando - so it's net outcome is removing a 5 point swing in points to Lando. The USA race he gained 3pts and cost Lando 3pts so removed a 6 point swing toward Lando.
So despite all the drama and some penalties for the last two races the championship gap is at least 11 points better in his favour than it likely could have been.
But the Stewards can tick of 'placate' the britcentric press with some solid Max penalties (even though it ended up not actually being much of a penalty in the end)... we can return to usual service and there will be not further penalty against golden champion Max and thus all the whingers with "wrong expectations" of the sport can suffer in their jocks.
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After watching the highlights it genuinely beggars belief why Max feels the need to throw in kamikaze moves like that, the 2nd violation being akin to the one at Sao Paulo vs Lewis. Never in a month of Mondays would you be able to pull that move off, hell if he was running a simulation of that in iRacing I doubt he would even consider it 99 times out of 100. More so if there were barriers close to the track limits e.g. Abu Dhabi S3.
"I was feeling compelled to do that because the pace wasn't there" doesn't fly, at that point it's just dangerous driving. If he's going to continue go for moves even Yuji Ide would've blanched at, the powers that be should should take heed and slap him with a race ban because at this point time penalties and/or grid penalties aren't getting through. Hell, one could argue it should've happened already.
If, instead of taking such a lesson onboard it hastens him to the exit door, well, good riddance.
"I was feeling compelled to do that because the pace wasn't there" doesn't fly, at that point it's just dangerous driving. If he's going to continue go for moves even Yuji Ide would've blanched at, the powers that be should should take heed and slap him with a race ban because at this point time penalties and/or grid penalties aren't getting through. Hell, one could argue it should've happened already.
If, instead of taking such a lesson onboard it hastens him to the exit door, well, good riddance.
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It has kind of become his signature move and to be fair the FIA has let it slide for ages. He misses the corner, but makes sure to be ahead at the apex and thereby does not have to give his opponent room to race. The weird part is that the FIA seems to ignore it when he leaves the track himself as seen in Austin.
I think the 10 seconds for the turn 4 incident were at least in part the FIA admitting they got it wrong in Austin. That was more like a 5 second penalty imo. Turn 8 is 10 minimum.
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F1 has had this issue before, where a championship contender resorts to ridiculous and childish moves on track against title challengers.
Max knows, a bit like Abu Dhabi 2021, that he has the points advantage so can go into every wheel-to-wheel battle with Norris knowing that Lando cannot risk any form of damage or a DNF. Compare the pass Sainz did for the lead, Vs the three bits of petulance he did against Norris in the last few races. It sucks, because for a few laps before the Austin incident, Max showed once again just how good he is in wheel-to-wheel combat at defending against Norris, but he just cannot accept losing and shows it off in the worst possible way. The only way it hasn't ended in a million crashes is because he often challenges for titles with drivers with some form of self-preservation - Hamilton and Norris.
Both of these drivers decided once to not take Max's crap (Silverstone 21, Austria 24) and accepted his "I turn in you get out the way" contract...and Max never learned his lesson.
These last two weekends have been wildly inconsistent in the stewarding to the reckless moves and we now head back to the scene of one of the worst unpunished moves of his back catalogue.
McLaren need to be ready with many spare parts because I cannot see Norris escaping this Interlagos weekend with all four wheels on his car if there's any on-track battles with Max.
Max knows, a bit like Abu Dhabi 2021, that he has the points advantage so can go into every wheel-to-wheel battle with Norris knowing that Lando cannot risk any form of damage or a DNF. Compare the pass Sainz did for the lead, Vs the three bits of petulance he did against Norris in the last few races. It sucks, because for a few laps before the Austin incident, Max showed once again just how good he is in wheel-to-wheel combat at defending against Norris, but he just cannot accept losing and shows it off in the worst possible way. The only way it hasn't ended in a million crashes is because he often challenges for titles with drivers with some form of self-preservation - Hamilton and Norris.
Both of these drivers decided once to not take Max's crap (Silverstone 21, Austria 24) and accepted his "I turn in you get out the way" contract...and Max never learned his lesson.
These last two weekends have been wildly inconsistent in the stewarding to the reckless moves and we now head back to the scene of one of the worst unpunished moves of his back catalogue.
McLaren need to be ready with many spare parts because I cannot see Norris escaping this Interlagos weekend with all four wheels on his car if there's any on-track battles with Max.
