Formula 1 Magyar Nagydíj 2016

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Peasantslayer
It's odd how F1 unlike any other sport I know has so many grey areas and loopholes and not just in the technical regulations.
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It's a great part of what Formula One is and without it, it would be a lot more boring.
I have to say the decisions by the FIA / stewards got a lot better in recent years regarding "interpreting" the rules though.

daan
You've also got the issue of a drying track. Every time is faster than previous time even with a lift for yellows.
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Exactly, I'm a bit surprised no one else is seeing this, in different conditions (dry track) Rosberg could have never pulled this off.

They said on RTL he was 2 seconds behind in the first sector, gained almost nothing in 2nd sector and gained everything in the last sector, seems perfectly fine to me.


I also have to say the coverage on RTL is really great, they got Christian Danner, who's very enthusiastic / passionate and knowledgeable, he also doesn't seem to care too much about nationalities of the drivers / teams, he just sees the drivers as drivers and comments usually purely based on the performance / team strategies. Then they have Niki Lauda for "analysis", who's also very knowledgeable and objective most of the time (well this might not be true anymore with regards to Mercedes), but he still tries! He's also really funny (often by accident it seems), and he's also my favorite driver of all times, so that's a bonus, too. :P Well, he and Michael Schumacher, but that's two totally different eras of Formula One anyway.
 
I'm playing Devils lawyer obviously but Jules Bianchi didn't slow down enough on double yellow so it's his fault he died but since here nothing happened it's fine Rosberg doesn't get any reprimand.

Rules definitely need to be clarified what yellow or double yellow implies. I admit he lift but I wonder what would have happened if there was a car in a blind spot at exit of the 2nd corner.
 
RX-7_FD3S
I'm playing Devils lawyer obviously but Jules Bianchi didn't slow down enough on double yellow so it's his fault he died but since here nothing happened it's fine Rosberg doesn't get any reprimand.

Rules definitely need to be clarified what yellow or double yellow implies. I admit he lift but I wonder what would have happened if there was a car in a blind spot at exit of the 2nd corner.
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That's a pretty tasteless comment to make. Yes, Bianchi went off because he didn't slow down, but Rosberg wasn't automatically in the wrong because he didn't suffer from backing off. The stewards investigated, and found that he had done the right thing. They would have looked at his telemetry, which would have shown that he backed off, and their decision is consistent with the ones that they made in Austria. They are under no obligation to publicly discuss what constitutes enough - they are satisfied, which means that the issue is resolved.

It's pretty obvious that you're annoyed at the way Rosberg had a run of good luck and got pole. You don't get to invoke Bianchi's death for such a political point.
 
I don't see Rosberg at fault here, once again it is the FIA needing to make these rules more transparent but also more obvious, since we don't have the telemetry we can't judge what is supposedly backing off and what isn't.

The video shows him doing so though and to me that shows he played with in the rules and having better track position also helped, so he did fine.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
once again it is the FIA needing to make these rules more transparent but also more obvious
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The rules state that a driver must back off in the relevant two hundred metre timing loop. Exactly what constitutes backing off is not defined - I honestly think that would be impossible - but it is viewed in the context of other, similar laps. The stewards would have looked at all of Rosberg's laps (probably during his qualifying simulations, given that Q1 was a washout and Q2 was largely run on intermediates) to identify what he was doing and when.
 
prisonermonkeys
The rules state that a driver must back off in the relevant two hundred metre timing loop. Exactly what constitutes backing off is not defined - I honestly think that would be impossible - but it is viewed in the context of other, similar laps. The stewards would have looked at all of Rosberg's laps (probably during his qualifying simulations, given that Q1 was a washout and Q2 was largely run on intermediates) to identify what he was doing and when.
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Yes but there are other parameters that could be said in the rules so things are clear with in the future. Rather than what some are now saying as a way for drivers to test the waters on what is meant to be used for safety.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
Yes but there are other parameters that could be said in the rules so things are clear with in the future. Rather than what some are now saying as a way for drivers to test the waters on what is meant to be used for safety.
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I suspect that a lot of it is communicated through drivers' briefings rather than being published, simply because publishing it could be restrictive.
 
prisonermonkeys
That's a pretty tasteless comment to make. Yes, Bianchi went off because he didn't slow down, but Rosberg wasn't automatically in the wrong because he didn't suffer from backing off. The stewards investigated, and found that he had done the right thing. They would have looked at his telemetry, which would have shown that he backed off, and their decision is consistent with the ones that they made in Austria. They are under no obligation to publicly discuss what constitutes enough - they are satisfied, which means that the issue is resolved.

It's pretty obvious that you're annoyed at the way Rosberg had a run of good luck and got pole. You don't get to invoke Bianchi's death for such a political point.
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I post this so we could debate over it but it seems it's becoming impossible to have any sort of discussion here without people being rude. You're taking shortcut to explain what you thought I meant without understand it.

Second I don't care he got pole, you're putting word on my finger that I never type so please don't go there.
 
Ugh. Paul di Resta is disgusting - he just showed Rosberg's pole lap relative to other laps, showing that he backed off, and then blatantly suggested that Rosberg got preferential treatment from the stewards.

RX-7_FD3S
I post this so we could debate over it but it seems it's becoming impossible to have any sort of discussion here without people being rude.
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And you thought that the best way to start that debate was to appeal to emotion? Your post implied that Rosberg behaved in a reckless and dangerous manner with the potential to kill or injure himself or bystanders.

And just because I disagreed with you doesn't automatically mean that I am being rude to you.

RX-7_FD3S
And third this is a forum and a thread about the Hungary GP, it happened during the weekend so why can't we discuss it ?
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I'm not saying that you can't discuss it. I'm saying that the callback to Bianchi's accident was completely inappropriate. For one, it's the aforementioned appeal to emotion, but the way you did it set things up in such a way that anyone disagreeing with you could be accused of condoning dangerous driving.

RX-7_FD3S
My point was that I always find it unfair for Bianchi and his family that the fia/form ruled it out as not there fault because Jules didn't slow down enough when he did slow down as show by his telemetry according to his team.
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Clearly it wasn't enough because he went off.

RX-7_FD3S
But yet here Rosberg only did a small lift and it was deemed okay.
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In completely different conditions. The drivers were practically swimming in Japan, but it was dry in Hungary (aside from the occasional wet patch).

You're also failing to take into account any changes - even informal ones - that were made in the aftermath of Bianchi's accident as a response to Bianchi's accident. You're expecting that both scenarios were judged on identical qualities when there are clearly additional circumstances that fundamentally changed them.
 
And now Lazenby and Brundle are trying to insinuate that Alonso spun deliberately to secure seventh place.

Come on, guys. You're not fooling anyone. Why don't you just drop the pretense and say it outright: you don't think Rosberg should be on pole.
 
I won't reply because once again you're assuming I'm meaning things when I dont. I just wanted to say that I edited my post before you posted your answer, thats all.
 
Bianchi's death - which was barely over a year ago, so the anniversary ought to be fresh in drivers' minds - didn't come about so much from his own failure to slow properly as the knowledge that if he slowed, no-one else would and he would lose time and position as a result. It was the culture among the drivers to keep the speed loss to the barest minimum even under double-waved yellows, and that, after Bianchi's crash, more-or-less lead directly to the Virtual Safety Car to force them to slow.

The situations are different. Bianchi was in a race, Rosberg in qualifying. Bianchi's track was soaking, Rosberg's was drying - which itself makes it hard to know just how much time he lost and how much he slowed as the track evolution may have made his final lap 2 seconds faster completely naturally and the 0.1s* he lost over his previous lap could be a huge chunk.

However it remains that Rosberg set his fastest lap on a lap in which he had a sector where he was required to slow. That looks kinda bad, even if Rosberg hasn't actually done anything wrong, and the next time a driver loses just 0.1s* in a double-waved yellow section they have this precedent to point to - leading back to the culture of keeping the speed loss to the barest minimum.


*I haven't seen it - that's just the amount of time Hamilton said Rosberg lost in that sector. I guess at least we can be happy that he hasn't shared his team-mate's telemetry on Twitter this time.
 
So what do you guys think who's gonna win?

What I hope for:

1. Verstappen
2. Riciardo
3. Rosberg / Hamilton

What we'll probably get:

1. Hamilton
2. Rosberg
3. Verstappen



@prisonermonkeys I think it's pretty obvious you have a problem with media coverage more so than with Hamilton (you said yourself as much iirc), so why don't you cut him some slack and focus on what really bothers you?
Isn't there a different / better coverage you could watch (probably not) that might help, I mean, I shudder at the the thought having to listen to these guys for F1 coverage, honestly...
 
Hard to predict a result but I wouldn't be surprise if one of the red bull would split the Mercedes.

So taking that into account I'll say:

1. Hamilton
2. Ricciardo
3. Max.


But it will probably be :

1. Rosberg
2. Hamilton
3. Max
 
Interesting rendition of the national anthem - a 12 yr old kid on a piano, an opera singer and some twit in the background with a wheel gun 👍
 
I don't know why, but I get chills down my spine when I hear the Hungarian National Anthem. Probably related to last year's rendition of it...
 
sems4arsenal
@Saidur_Ali he had a scruffy sector one and sector 3 was filled with traffic so that explains that somewhat.
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First sector he was just slow, final sector he got lucky a lot with traffic so don't think it cost him much time really. Maybe last corner a little, but he did sort of got a tow. Seems wrong to me that under double yellows, he probably lost the least time compared to the green sectors.

I think FIA are starting to take the piss really, with F3 crane incident recently and now probably the fastest anyone has ever gone under double yellows and getting away with it scot-free. Something like 4KPH slower minimum speed compared to the fastest through that section being classed as significant slow down seems ludicrous to me. Also in Q3 with lap times the fastest ever done in the hybrid era, fortunately there was no one / nothing there going into a sort of blind corner. Now that drivers are encouraged to go quicker, you could get situation where there are double yellows with marshals on track and drivers going through some corners at 190MPH near them with a similar percentage speed drop as Nico Rosberg on faster tracks. Next year cars are getting a lot quicker too. Can see in future qualifying sessions, drivers instead of backing off under yellows, will now change their mindset and drive close to the limit as it seems permissible.
 
That's how you start a race! Shame Danny didn't keep that lead for more than a corner.

Button in big trouble. Game over.
 

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