Forza 6 News Incoming?

SlyNine
There are certainly ALOT of people on PC that have controllers hooked up to their PCs. Many games already benefit from a controller. In some cases games that are better with Keyboard and Mouse still get played with a controller (hooked up to a TV).

I also think you're wrong about the game only being played by sim racers. I'd imagine people that play Grid and Dirt would also play Forza. Also plenty of people that play NFS would probably play Forza as well.
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What statistics do you have for a lot? You can't guarantee everyone on PC has a controller and only a percentage of those would care about a Forza title on PC.

Many games do benefit from controllers but are also capable of being played with a keyboard and mouse. Sim community is highly defensive and the idea of a console racer like Forza coming to PC would probably only enrage them more.
 
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FordGTGuy
What statistics do you have for a lot? You can't guarantee everyone on PC has a controller and only a percentage of those would care about a Forza title on PC.

Many games do benefit from controllers but are also capable of being played with a keyboard and mouse. Sim community is highly defensive and the idea of a console racer like Forza coming to PC would probably only enrage them more.
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What statistics do you have to back up "...only a small percentage of that (sim racing) community would play Forza" or "...small percentage of people that would buy it and actually have controllers to play it..."

Seeing as how steams big picture mode is based on a controller, and companies make controllers for PC's. I'd imagine enough to warrant mass production. That could count as "a lot". Which is a subjective term btw.

Why would a game coming to PC enrage anyone. Why should anyone care. If they don't want the game don't play it. Perhaps only a hand full of Sim racers will be offended. Perhaps none.

None of that has any bearing on there being a community big enough and interested enough to justify porting Forza to PC. Which I believe was the main point of your comment, and the basis of my counter point. However the pseudo percentages you came up with and failed to qualify do have a direct bearing on the ,supposed, main point.

I'm trying to figure out why you think Forza on the PC would be a bad idea for Microsoft. All the evidence you came up with is pure conjecture. I'm challenging that conjecture.
 
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FordGTGuy
What statistics do you have for a lot? You can't guarantee everyone on PC has a controller and only a percentage of those would care about a Forza title on PC.

Many games do benefit from controllers but are also capable of being played with a keyboard and mouse. Sim community is highly defensive and the idea of a console racer like Forza coming to PC would probably only enrage them more.
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You are so wrong it isn't even funny. I know plenty of die hard sim racers that are begging for a game like Forza to be released on PC, let alone the people who decided not to buy an Xbox one or PS4 this generation because they are so far unhappy with what they offer. One of my closest friends that I have played Forza with from FM1 to FM4 wont even look at the X1. They have told me that they WILL buy windows 10 for the Xbox support IF Microsoft release Forza 6 on it. And the same goes for a ton of other people I know.

With regards to controller support, pc games have had that for years. So many years in fact that the vast majority of pc gamers will have at least one wired USB based controller. This can include a racing wheel, a joystick, or a game pad. Even though keyboard and mouse is the base for pc gaming, the vast majority of indie titles support a controller, the vast majority of AAA's made within the last 8 to 10 years have full controller support on PC. And the controller they ALL work with? Well the 360 controller of course. That game pad is widely accepted as the standard USB controller for all compatible games on PC, and even games that are compatible with Linux and Mac. Hell, there are even programs out there that will allow a gamepad to be used in a non compatible game.
 
SlyNine
What statistics do you have to back up "...only a small percentage of that (sim racing) community would play Forza" or "...small percentage of people that would buy it and actually have controllers to play it..."

Seeing as how steams big picture mode is based on a controller, and companies make controllers for PC's. I'd imagine enough to warrant mass production. That could count as "a lot". Which is a subjective term btw.

Why would a game coming to PC enrage anyone. Why should anyone care. If they don't want the game don't play it. Perhaps only a hand full of Sim racers will be offended. Perhaps none.

None of that has any bearing on there being a community big enough and interested enough to justify porting Forza to PC. Which I believe was the main point of your comment, and the basis of my counter point. However the pseudo percentages you came up with and failed to qualify do have a direct bearing on the ,supposed, main point.

I'm trying to figure out why you think Forza on the PC would be a bad idea for Microsoft. All the evidence you came up with is pure conjecture. I'm challenging that conjecture.
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Based purely on the response towards games like Forza by sim community forums. It usually devolves into hostile arguments and insults. I know this because I've been on the other end of this many times.

Also, you aren't buying Windows 10 it is free for everyone with Windows 7/8/8.1. You shouldn't get Windows 10 for Forza you should get it because it is a better operating system and comes with Direct X12.

SlyNine
What statistics do you have to back up "...only a small percentage of that (sim racing) community would play Forza" or "...small percentage of people that would buy it and actually have controllers to play it..."

Seeing as how steams big picture mode is based on a controller, and companies make controllers for PC's. I'd imagine enough to warrant mass production. That could count as "a lot". Which is a subjective term btw.

Why would a game coming to PC enrage anyone. Why should anyone care. If they don't want the game don't play it. Perhaps only a hand full of Sim racers will be offended. Perhaps none.

None of that has any bearing on there being a community big enough and interested enough to justify porting Forza to PC. Which I believe was the main point of your comment, and the basis of my counter point. However the pseudo percentages you came up with and failed to qualify do have a direct bearing on the ,supposed, main point.

I'm trying to figure out why you think Forza on the PC would be a bad idea for Microsoft. All the evidence you came up with is pure conjecture. I'm challenging that conjecture.
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Why would a game on PC enrage anyone? We must be on different versions of the internet. Microsoft/Xbox hate is as strong as ever.

It has every bearing to do with there being a community large enough for Forza on PC. You build products for demographics and it comes down to whether or not it is most profitable for them to port it or not. Available market share isn't the only hurdle either; Forza is one their exclusives to sell Xbox One consoles. Porting it to PC could potentially hurt sales of the Xbox One and it could prove to not be worth it at this time for what could potentially be a small amount of sales.
 
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FordGTGuy
Based purely on the response towards games like Forza by sim community forums. It usually devolves into hostile arguments and insults. I know this because I've been on the other end of this many times.
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Right..... So that is why so many people on forums like Inside sim racing bought say the TX or T300RS wheel to use on both consoles and PC, and include games like Forza or GT and driveclub in their list of owned racing games. But also race in iRacing, Assetto Corsa, Rfactor, Game Stock car, and the rest.

FordGTGuy
Also, you aren't buying Windows 10 it is free for everyone with Windows 7/8/8.1. You shouldn't get Windows 10 for Forza you should get it because it is a better operating system and comes with Direct X12.
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Just like windows 8/8.1 is better and more stable than windows 7, doesn't mean people will upgrade to it though; even if it is free. Most people feel windows 7 is the best windows OS out there, and say it can not be improved upon.

FordGTGuy
Why would a game on PC enrage anyone? We must be on different versions of the internet. Microsoft/Xbox hate is as strong as ever.
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The hate isn't towards the individual games available on the Xbox, it is hate aimed towards the console hardware itself. The vast majority of PC gamers want the console exclusives released on a PC because they want to play those games themselves. This includes games such as Halo, Forza, GT, God of war, Uncharted, and any other console exclusive that is any good. The hate only ends up including the individual games, because people hate the fact that they can not play them unless they drop extra hundreds of £/$ onto gaming console hardware itself.

FordGTGuy
It has every bearing to do with there being a community large enough for Forza on PC. You build products for demographics and it comes down to whether or not it is most profitable for them to port it or not. Available market share isn't the only hurdle either; Forza is one their exclusives to sell Xbox One consoles. Porting it to PC could potentially hurt sales of the Xbox One and it could prove to not be worth it at this time for what could potentially be a small amount of sales.
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The PC gaming community is bigger than that of the PS and Xbox platforms, and is usually the most profitable platform for game devs and publishers. I highly suggest you do some research on this before you start spewing out all the rubbish that you are doing.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonev...how-long-should-console-makers-keep-fighting/

As it stands, the PC gaming community want platform exclusivity to end; and for console exclusive titles released on the platform they have chosen to use for gaming. Hell, the only reason I have an Xbox one is because I wanted to play Forza. I own pretty much all multiplats for the PC, including COD, battlefield, Farcry, Assassins creed, tomb raider; the list goes on for me. And it is the same for a lot of other people out there.

The hardcore racing community on PC also want games like Forza and GT on PC, because they want a fun and laid back racer to chill out on. The types of racing games that are worth playing on PC at the moment are far too serious, and they dont allow for someone to just chill out. Especially people who play iRacing all the time. Game like need for speed, Grid, Dirt all sell like crazy on PC. Forza and GT would as well.
 
SlyNine
I'm trying to figure out why you think Forza on the PC would be a bad idea for Microsoft. All the evidence you came up with is pure conjecture. I'm challenging that conjecture.
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As it stand microsoft wants you to buy forza on xbox for the simple reason that they'll get more money through gold and royalties.
Ialyrn
They have told me that they WILL buy windows 10 for the Xbox support IF Microsoft release Forza 6 on it. And the same goes for a ton of other people I know.
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Almost everbody will use Windows 10 regardless. Windows don't need system sellers.
Ialyrn
Just like windows 8/8.1 is better and more stable than windows 7, doesn't mean people will upgrade to it though; even if it is free. Most people feel windows 7 is the best windows OS out there, and say it can not be improved upon.
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W8 was hated for the metro interface for example. W10 is an different beast, because microsoft listen to feedback and DX12 will be huge for the os and gamers.
The PC gaming community is bigger than that of the PS and Xbox platforms, and is usually the most profitable platform for game devs and publishers.
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Mostly because of MOBA and f2p games. This discussion is about racing games and how much sales and revenue they'll generate on pc.
 
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Anyone who thinks Windows 7 can't be improved upon is an idiot.

Everything can be improved upon.

I know very well how much bigger the PC market is compared to Xbox One and PS4. However Titanfall still sold more on Xbox One than Xbox 360 and PC combined.
 
Zelalem
As it stand microsoft wants you to buy forza on xbox for the simple reason that they'll get more money through gold and royalties.
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I don't disagree with that. But I think that is their sole reason and I believe they would make money with a PC release. I was a bit offended with this idea that PC gamers are not interested. I would be thrilled to have Forza on PC.
 
Eunosthedeer
Considering what's gone down

I doubt we will be getting the Top Gear blokes this game.
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and nothing of value was lost

i like top gear, i just dont like them in my games

i dont even care if dunsfold goes missing, that track blows

i dont even think we need more cars, just more tracks... hell i'd be happy with if forza 6 had just forza 4 and 5's tracks... oh and New York

bring that back son
 
FordGTGuy
Based purely on the response towards games like Forza by sim community forums. It usually devolves into hostile arguments and insults. I know this because I've been on the other end of this many times.
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The question is were the responses hostile towards Forza being on the PC itself, or that Forza calls itself a sim? The latter is what typically annoys hardcore sim fans; most would welcome it as another racing game.
 
Forza IS a sim... you'd be surprised but read some reviews of Forza from the hardened PC experts and they will say Forza lacks in many ways to a true PC sim but its as close as it gets right now

and in arguing that, why would Microsoft seek to close the gap?

very few people ask Microsoft for even more realistic handling... Forza beats GT6 in as far as modelling goes very easily...

For Forza 6 they dont need a more detailed model. They need other things which you are all extremely well aware of.

Of course bringing to Forza to PC is never a possibility. Sure it will sell to some degree but you may as well ask why Sony does not do the same.
 
TonyJZX
Forza IS a sim... you'd be surprised but read some reviews of Forza from the hardened PC experts and they will say Forza lacks in many ways to a true PC sim but its as close as it gets right now
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Indeed. I'm not what could be called a 'hardened pc sim driver' but I do dabble in GT Legends, GTR2, rFactor and Race 07 + it's add-ons

And imo Forza 5 does drive in that kind of tricky way, in that if you push stupidly hard, the loss of control is near on unrecoverable

You've just got to let the speed drop and the spinning slow down, see where you're pointing and go from there :lol:

As good as is available on console at this point in time
 
TonyJZX
Forza IS a sim... you'd be surprised but read some reviews of Forza from the hardened PC experts and they will say Forza lacks in many ways to a true PC sim but its as close as it gets right now
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Thats exactly what the diehards argue about which is my point.

They don't have issues with the game being on the PC. They just like to argue it's not a hardcore sim like what they're used to.
 
Well Forza 5 was using the same engine as the 360 Forza's so it makes sense they will move to a new one rather than staying with the upscaled engine.
 
UkHardcore23
Well Forza 5 was using the same engine as the 360 Forza's so it makes sense they will move to a new one rather than staying with the upscaled engine.
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Some developers like Naughty Dog didn't change their engine and already showed very promising results with their old engine on the new console.
AudiMan2011
MS files trademark for a new "ForzaTech" engine. Will it be used in Forza 6?
http://gamingbolt.com/forza-motorsport-6-may-use-a-new-forzatech-engine
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Most certainly. Turn 10 already confirmed that they will talk about forza 6 at E3 and apparently they'll talk about the engine at the same event. It has to be for Forza 6, because T10 won't announce another forza game at the same time.
 
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Is it true that it will be released Q4 2015? I just got the Xbox One with FM5 LE and FH2 :dunce: and as with FM3 and 4, I have A LOT of things to do.
 
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UkHardcore23
Well Forza 5 was using the same engine as the 360 Forza's so it makes sense they will move to a new one rather than staying with the upscaled engine.
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"We have a brand new graphics engine in Forza Motorsport 5, built from the ground up to take advantage of the power of the Xbox One. It also runs at a native 1080p and solid 60 frames per second. As a first party development studio, we were in the privileged position of working closely with the Xbox platform team; we began discussing the console that would become the Xbox One as early as four years ago, even before we shipped Forza Motorsport 4 on Xbox 360."

http://www.examiner.com/article/for...ago-even-before-we-shipped-forza-motorsport-4

Zelalem
Some developers like Naughty Dog didn't change their engine and already showed very promising results with their old engine on the new console.
Most certainly. Turn 10 already confirmed that they will talk about forza 6 at E3 and apparently they'll talk about the engine at the same event. It has to be for Forza 6, because T10 won't announce another forza game at the same time.
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It's rumored that Forzatech will be a Xbone/Win 10 cross platform game engine meant to develop other racing games. So it may not be necessarily related to FM6.
 
Zer0
rumored that Forzatech will be a Xbone/Win 10 cross platform game engine meant to develop other racing games. So it may not be necessarily related to FM6.
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I couldn't find anything to support that. The articles mention it being a game engine or some sort of service, but I couldn't find any mention of cross-platform.
 
ImaRobot
I couldn't find anything to support that. The articles mention it being a game engine or some sort of service, but I couldn't find any mention of cross-platform.
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It was one of those insider claims made somewhere along a list of other leaked E3 news, I can't remember now where it was posted but I guess that it did not made much noise if the info can't be found nowhere. Anyway it would make sense, but as I said was a rumour not a confirmation. I doubt that the brand meaning will be explained until the presentation.
 
Forza news at E3 is about as dependable as day one patches, or the sun setting. They release a new FM every two years and Horizon during the off-season.
 

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