Forza3 Definitive Trailer: AKA Why we are better than GT5 w Pro Racer Testimonials.

[TopGearFan08]

People can compare stats and features of the 2 games until the end of time. It's the things you cant pin down with numbers that make the difference, i.e the intangible.

When I drive a car in GT5 it really comes alive, its as though the cars have character, soul, passion etc...

No other sim portrays this to me like GT does, I think it has a lot to do with the cinematography, presentation and exquisite attention to detail. It's worth noting that Yamauchi originally wanted to be a film director and I think it really shows in his games.

When I play Forza I don't experience this, I feel like everything is clinical and mathematical.

Obviously this is purely subjective but this is why I preference GT.

I'll be getting Forza 3 when it releases, but really it will be more of a put me off until GT5 is finished. They are both excellent games and really there is no concrete reason to prefer one over the other.

 

[geordie]

Both of these games are going to be great racing titles. I don't know why people have to join one side or the other. Come the end of october forza 3 will probably be the best console racing game ever made. Until GT5 comes out, forza will be on top, and all we can do is guess about GT5. The way it's looking, we could we guessing for a long time.

One thing is for sure though, I will have both games, and hopefully the porsche wheel for both(if it ever actually gets released), and more then likely play an entirely unhealthy amount of time on both games.

I have also ordered the porsche wheel so that i can play both games with a good wheel.
Even though i already have a g25 wheel i want a wheel that will work with all the systems.
I have been informed by fanatec that we should have our wheels at the end of september.

 

[blademask]

I have also ordered the porsche wheel so that i can play both games with a good wheel.
Even though i already have a g25 wheel i want a wheel that will work with all the systems.
I have been informed by fanatec that we should have our wheels at the end of september.

The fantec wheel will only work with the 360 iirc.

 

[Worst_Driver]

I'm sorry amar, but all those TBA might as well be "No"'s, because they don't give GT any "leeway" over Forza 3 & I haven't seen anywhere that GT5 will actually have 700 cars. In fact, I've been hearing it'll probably be less.

Who knows ? They could be ''yes'' as well.

 

[McLaren]

Who knows ? They could be ''yes'' as well.

But they could be a "no", too. That's the issue. It's not a No, but it's not a Yes. Thus, they account to GT having the advantage in no way. They're useless.

 

[Racer XO]

The fantec wheel will only work with the 360 iirc.

Fanatec has the Turbo S wheel that works on the PS3, 360, and pc...

http://www.fanatec.de/

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=112348

 

[JAGUAR1977]

PD can hand over their crown when Turn10 sells 50 million copies of Forza.👍

Sale's don't equal quality.

I find the general reaction to the OP rather strange, many thread's in this GT5 forum are with regard's to manufacturer's permission to damage certain car's to greater or lesser degree's, Turn 10 and Forza 3 have shown there are no longer any such restriction's, so if such feature's are missing from GT5, it's PD's decision.

GT1 to GT4 saw very little innovation, GT5P made big improvement's to the physic's, online and graphic's, but much more is required if GT5 is to match the Forza 3 feature set, it's this competition that should drive the GT series forward.

 

[geordie]

The fantec wheel will only work with the 360 iirc.

Fanatec make a wheel which works with the 360 the Ps3 and the PC.


http://www.fanatec.de/webshop/new_eu/product_info.php?cPath=21&products_id=61&session=true

 

[Zer0]

Sale's don't equal quality.

GT1 to GT4 saw very little innovation, GT5P made big improvement's to the physic's, online and graphic's, but much more is required if GT5 is to match the Forza 3 feature set, it's this competition that should drive the GT series forward.

Feaures don't equal quality.

 

[rookiebalboa]

since this looks like a Forza vs. GT thread, maybe some of you should just take a look at this, if you haven't already done so https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=118098

 

[bevo]

People can compare stats and features of the 2 games until the end of time. It's the things you cant pin down with numbers that make the difference, i.e the intangible.

When I drive a car in GT5 it really comes alive, its as though the cars have character, soul, passion etc...

No other sim portrays this to me like GT does, I think it has a lot to do with the cinematography, presentation and exquisite attention to detail. It's worth noting that Yamauchi originally wanted to be a film director and I think it really shows in his games.

When I play Forza I don't experience this, I feel like everything is clinical and mathematical.

Obviously this is purely subjective but this is why I preference GT.

I'll be getting Forza 3 when it releases, but really it will be more of a put me off until GT5 is finished. They are both excellent games and really there is no concrete reason to prefer one over the other.

I felt that Ferrari challenge did a better job then both, when it came to making the cars come alive. The feel of acceleration in FC really felt like moving, where in GT5p I just don't get that feeling. Don't get me wrong, I liked the cars in GT5p better then forza 2, but FC seemed to beat both of them in making a car feel like you are on the edge with it.

 

[II IVORBIGUN II]

. So once again, prove to me GT5 is going to be a better game then FM3, because I really bet you can't.

Based on my experiences of playing the Forza series and GT series I personally don't need any evidence to know that GT5 will be better than FM3.

To give an example of my confidence I recieved my G25 today and nearer the time when GT5 is released I shall buy a cockpit. Now whilst speaking to my mother she said "Don't you think you should wait until GT5 is released before buying a cockpit" and my response was " I don't need to worry if GT5 will be any good because I just know it will be".

I don't think Turn 10 will ever compete against the GT series for the simple reason of development time. If you read the Forza forums there are many features the fans want included in FM3 but this will never happen because they don't have long enough development time to include this. Ironically many of these requested features are included in GT5 i.e Top Gear test track, day/night cycles.

 

[paskowitz]

since this looks like a Forza vs. GT thread, maybe some of you should just take a look at this, if you haven't already done so https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=118098

Well that just about finish that off. FM3 looks great but that, that my friend is just down right insane.

Based on my experiences of playing the Forza series and GT series I personally don't need any evidence to know that GT5 will be better than FM3.

To give an example of my confidence I recieved my G25 today and nearer the time when GT5 is released I shall buy a cockpit. Now whilst speaking to my mother she said "Don't you think you should wait until GT5 is released before buying a cockpit" and my response was " I don't need to worry if GT5 will be any good because I just know it will be".

I don't think Turn 10 will ever compete against the GT series for the simple reason of development time. If you read the Forza forums there are many features the fans want included in FM3 but this will never happen because they don't have long enough development time to include this. Ironically many of these requested features are included in GT5 i.e Top Gear test track, day/night cycles.

I agree I do not need anyone to tell me GT5 is going to be great. GT1-5p have provided all the confidence I need. As a side note though day/night cycles have not been confirmed, only hinted at. Same deal with weather.

 

[Joey D]

No you don't need anyone to tell you GT5 is going to be great, but you do need to actually play both games to compare them and say one is better than the other. To say one is better than the other without actually playing them is daft and fanboyish considering the amount of information we actually know to be true for GT5 is not exactly plentiful.

I see why I tend to avoid the GT section of these forums.

 

[Pingwhen]

honestly i laugh at this thread. its all a bunch of girls in here. just say that last sentence to make everyone on the opposite side mad, so they have to rebutle back. its just funny forza 3 is the best, for now, you can not deny this. but when gt5 comes out it will be better than forza. end of story. anyone with an average brain that actually knows what they are talking about know this. why do you guys keep messaging back its a pointless fight.

 

[bevo]

Neither is the best now, because they are not out yet. I would say right now it's between alot of decent racing games. Maybe Ferrari challenge, or forza 2, really I don't know. I can't think of any stand out racers that's out as of now.

 

[Joel]

honestly i laugh at this thread. its all a bunch of girls in here. just say that last sentence to make everyone on the opposite side mad, so they have to rebutle back. its just funny forza 3 is the best, for now, you can not deny this. but when gt5 comes out it will be better than forza. end of story. anyone with an average brain that actually knows what they are talking about know this. why do you guys keep messaging back its a pointless fight.

How can you say Forza 3 is better than GT5 right now? Neither are out yet. Likewise, I can't say GT5 is better than Forza 3 because....well, they aren't out yet.

 

[Jay]

The fantec wheel will only work with the 360 iirc.

Not only does the Turbo S wheel work with PC, PS3 and Xbox360, but all the Fanatec 911 wheels work on PS3 (and PC) but only the limited edition Turbo S works on X360.

 

[humpus]

The guy from xbox live says: 2 major features: autobrake and rewind function.

Really, that says it all. You can not promote a game as the ultimate simulator and then implement features like autobrake and rewind!

 

[amar212]

But they could be a "no", too. That's the issue. It's not a No, but it's not a Yes. Thus, they account to GT having the advantage in no way. They're useless.

In order to showcase possible differences it is not.

Chart just shows possible correlation between parts of both games which have been announced, rumored or given hints about. It is not "comparation".

I agree with your point, but since Che yesterday confirmed about rally, night racing and dynamic weather, I've just put that into correlation. So, from there goes the TBA for GT5 - we don't know.

 

[Parky92]

Have you guys seen this......If not enjoy

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=219201

Forza 3 is going to look pathetic compared to GT5

 

[Joey D]

The guy from xbox live says: 2 major features: autobrake and rewind function.

Really, that says it all. You can not promote a game as the ultimate simulator and then implement features like autobrake and rewind!

They've explained numerous times why they have those features, it's to bring the game to a wider audience. You don't have to use either of them.

 

[Northstar]

They've explained numerous times why they have those features, it's to bring the game to a wider audience. You don't have to use either of them.

Apparently on this forum, this concept is just ungraspable.

 

[Jay]

Apparently on this forum, this concept is just ungraspable.

Not just this forum but Neogaf and Forza forums too (among others), but who cares because the people autobrake and rewind target generally don't search forums for information on the game.

 

[H3avyM3tal]

I think those features won't interfere with online play. I can't possibly imagine it would be possible to use rewind on line and NOT interfere with other racers. I think it is safe to assume this one will be a single-player-only feature.

On a side note, has anyone read the speculative article on IGN yet?
Sometimes I rather have no info than speculative articles like this one... Oh well, it will be over when the game ships, so I just try to not expect anything.

 

[Dave A]

The guy from xbox live says: 2 major features: autobrake and rewind function.

Really, that says it all. You can not promote a game as the ultimate simulator and then implement features like autobrake and rewind!

Oh come on, they are features that are not a requirement of play. They are simply an extension of driver and gaming assists already featured in racing games (GT series included). How can GT promote itself as a sim when a TVR Tuscan can have traction control and ABS turned on as standard I wonder. It's to assist people who need the help, it doesn't cripple the game for thoes who don't want it though and certainly isn't a line of argument that proves anything negative about Forza 3.

 

[Lucas]

You do realise PD calls their game the "Real Driving Simulator" though right? That right there is making a pretty bold claim that they have yet to hold up.

Simulation is the imitation of some real thing, state of affairs, or process. The act of simulating something generally entails representing certain key characteristics or behaviours of a selected physical or abstract system.

You can have whatever opinion you wish, but just be prepared to be criticised for it or to back it up. So once again, prove to me GT5 is going to be a better game then FM3, because I really bet you can't.

I swear I'm getting tired of your attitude towards me. Mark my words: I never said GT5 was going to be a better game than FM3. Can't you read? Obviously you can't, but you obviously cannot understand what you are reading.

 

[Tenacious D]

I felt that Ferrari challenge did a better job then both, when it came to making the cars come alive. The feel of acceleration in FC really felt like moving, where in GT5p I just don't get that feeling.

I know a few people like Biggles feel this way, but I respectfully disagree. While FC does have a nice substantial feel, having spent several months in FM2, I recognize the Froza engine ported and tweaked to the PS3. The cars behave almost exactly the same, including a tendency to oversteer, and being able to stop it with a jerk on the wheel controller. While Prologue isn't the same, the annoying FM habits in FC which made me drop both games aren't there. The feeling of weight, substance and inertia, while different, are still there in abundance, as is the sense of driving a vehicle, which to me, is better than even the PC sims I own.

its just funny forza 3 is the best, for now, you can not deny this. but when gt5 comes out it will be better than forza. end of story. anyone with an average brain that actually knows what they are talking about know this. why do you guys keep messaging back its a pointless fight.

I'm sorry, but how do you know this? I've seen video, which, other than a very few people who did touch it, is all we have. I see nothing but a lot of textures that FM2 didn't have. FM2 was a good game, but the same lineage from the Electronic Arts coders who formed Turn 10 is there. Grippy tires, taking turns too fast, oversteering in just about every car, the flaws others have mentioned that show a hint of "Need For Soeedness." And I see nothing in any video to indicate that FM3 handles any differently than FM2. And don't bring up rollovers. That simply means the damping code that kicks in during any upward movement has been eased up.

So what special inside info do you have? The definitive word of Dan The Mouth G?

People can compare stats and features of the 2 games until the end of time. It's the things you cant pin down with numbers that make the difference, i.e the intangible.

When I drive a car in GT5 it really comes alive, its as though the cars have character, soul, passion etc...

No other sim portrays this to me like GT does, I think it has a lot to do with the cinematography, presentation and exquisite attention to detail. It's worth noting that Yamauchi originally wanted to be a film director and I think it really shows in his games.

When I play Forza I don't experience this, I feel like everything is clinical and mathematical.

Obviously this is purely subjective but this is why I preference GT.

I'll be getting Forza 3 when it releases, but really it will be more of a put me off until GT5 is finished. They are both excellent games and really there is no concrete reason to prefer one over the other.

While the PC sims I have feel clinical and mathematical, as if I'm just going through the same formula every race with very little variation, what I get from FM is what I wrote above, a hint more arcadeyness.

What I get with Gran Turismo, even in the previous games with all their flaws, is a relationship with automobiles. You aren't stuck with only having a handful of race cars as with the PC sims, or NFS polished up in FM, but hundreds of cars which you can take to the Nordshleife. A real Nordshleife. And even in GT4 with physics which is probably just running at 60fps, take an RX-7 or Corvette on it. Go as fast as you can down a bumpy straight, and see if your knuckles aren't a little white when the car starts to buck and jump over the bumps and a gradual curve zooms up at you.

Why do I love Gran Turismo most of all? That's why.

 

[Kryz11]

I think its better to judge two full games once they are out for at least a month or two, so that each game is play a lot.

That is what I will do. Get both, enjoy them both, and pick the best if I can.

 

[SONY_55]