Forza3 Definitive Trailer: AKA Why we are better than GT5 w Pro Racer Testimonials.

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So you say people who don't like Ms for no reason are dumb. Fair enough. But then when reasons are given, you just blatantly decide to turn 10 around and don't like the answers?

What wears me out are people with ever changing tunes. đź‘Ž

Fine, support a monopoly who knowing sells a known defective product through multiple revisions with NO fix for more than a year, until Europe and America back Ms into a corner, and they issue TWO retroactive warranty extensions within two weeks of each other.

Dude, you can love on that all you want, but that kind of crap is what I expect from the government. And being a federal employee, I should know.

I'm not even going to try my hand at a sufficient response to that.

Back on topic, I hope Forza 3 addresses all of the problems that I had with the first and second as both became ridiculously boring around level 30, the mid 30's to be exact. The lack of alternating weather conditions, night-time racing are going to affect that problem a little bit...but if the formula is improved then I'll be one happy camper. :sly:

As for GT5, well a good start would be information. As long as work goes into exhaust noises and the physics I'll be in one super mood come the release.
 
I'm not even going to try my hand at a sufficient response to that.

Back on topic, I hope Forza 3 addresses all of the problems that I had with the first and second as both became ridiculously boring around level 30, the mid 30's to be exact. The lack of alternating weather conditions, night-time racing are going to affect that problem a little bit...but if the formula is improved then I'll be one happy camper. :sly:

As for GT5, well a good start would be information. As long as work goes into exhaust noises and the physics I'll be in one super mood come the release.

When you put on a different exhaust, it should make different noises. Everyone knows this already, but in the realworld when you put on a brand new exhaust, it makes a TOTALLY different sound. In GT4, from what I could tell, it stayed the same. :(

P.S. Sorry if I'm wrong about GT4. I started playing it again last week and I haven't really played it a whole lot. When I put on the exhaust though on my old EVO, I don't think there was any difference in sound.
 
I don't know where it keeps coming from to be honest.

"I don't like Xbox... yadda, yadda, yadda" For what good reason is all I ask, just seems ridiculously arrogant and fanboy-like in my opinion. And the redundant retort of funding a monopoly or giving more money to Microsoft is getting dumber as the day goes on as well.

Have you tried going to Turn 10 and start a thread that would put some kind of positive spin on GT5 (Prologue) or even SHIFT for that matter. Or even try to correct some misinformation on Prologue or any other competing game. Believe me when I tell you that it won't be any different from waht you see here but over there before it spiral down into personal attacks, the thread is usually locked. Personally, I think that this one has gone 3 or 4 pages too many and at his point, I feel like I'm watching a train wreck.
 
What I find very strange is how on this forum and the Forza forums we're mean't to be fans of racing games. However you wouldn't believe this by some of the responses I recieve on the Forza forums.

Take a look at this thread and look at some of the responses I recieve just because I said im looking forward to GT5 more than FM3. I even stated I shall be buying both.

http://forums.forzamotorsport.net/forums/thread/2738456.aspx

I really don't understand how someone who enjoys racing games can have such a negative attitude towards GT5 and I suppose this works both ways with FM3. Any real racing fan will appreciate both franchises but I just happen to be of the opinion that GT5 will be better.

I do have a theory of why this is happening but I won't post the reason for this in a public forum!!
 
What I find very strange is how on this forum and the Forza forums we're mean't to be fans of racing games. However you wouldn't believe this by some of the responses I recieve on the Forza forums.

Take a look at this thread and look at some of the responses I recieve just because I said im looking forward to GT5 more than FM3. I even stated I shall be buying both.

http://forums.forzamotorsport.net/forums/thread/2738456.aspx

I really don't understand how someone who enjoys racing games can have such a negative attitude towards GT5 and I suppose this works both ways with FM3. Any real racing fan will appreciate both franchises but I just happen to be of the opinion that GT5 will be better.

I do have a theory of why this is happening but I won't post the reason for this in a public forum!!
I thought it was alright til' I got to this idiot.
If you're going to make comparisons talk about GT5:P. It gives me a little something to mess with when I'm not playing Forza 2. However, as a sim fan...don't even compare it to the Forza series. The latest iteration of GT has inferior car models, inferior environments, inferior physics, and inferior modes/innovations.
The irony is outstandingly amazing.
 
It is crazy because most of peope do not even have both consoles. When you own both then you can do a fair comparison. An other problem is that people just won't appreciate opinions of others and try shout one truth about the games rather than realizing that it is allways just a one opinion. There is no one truth about rating movies, games music etc.
 
Have you tried going to Turn 10 and start a thread that would put some kind of positive spin on GT5 (Prologue) or even SHIFT for that matter.

Have you tried going on GTP and making a thread that put some kind of positive spin on Forza 3, Shift or even Grid...oh wait.

The amount of hate on GTP towards any other racing game that isn't GT is ridiculous. I've said time and time again that I like the GT series (why would I be on a board dedicated to one if I didn't?) but I don't have this militant love for the game like so many members here do.

I really don't understand how someone who enjoys racing games can have such a negative attitude towards GT5 and I suppose this works both ways with FM3. Any real racing fan will appreciate both franchises but I just happen to be of the opinion that GT5 will be better.

There is nothing supposing about it, it does work both way. I happen to think Forza 3 will be a better game because it probably be more entertaining, but it seems like every time I remotely mention that I get flamed by the stupidity that is GT fanboys.
 
I happen to think Forza 3 will be a better game because it probably be more entertaining, but it seems like every time I remotely mention that I get flamed by the stupidity that is GT fanboys.

Well...and this would make you a Fanboy too, no? How would you know Forza 3 will "probably" be more entertaining, if Forza 3 and GT5 arent out yet? What makes you think that? Do the "Fanboys" spoil your Entertainment? :crazy:

And I said it in another thread, im not gonna "invest" 300+ € (for the 360 + Software and in case of Racegames an decent wheel) just not to be accused to be an Fanboy or whatever. I had great Fun with GT 1-4, so i bought the PS 3, because i thought GT5 will not disappoint me.

Only time will tell if GT5 will meet its expectations.

And dont get me wrong, im kinda bored of GT5P as well...but the lack of patience on this board is ridiciulous. :dunce:
 
Well...and this would make you a Fanboy too, no? How would you know Forza 3 will "probably" be more entertaining, if Forza 3 and GT5 arent out yet? What makes you think that? Do the "Fanboys" spoil your Entertainment? :crazy:

And I said it in another thread, im not gonna "invest" 300+ € (for the 360 + Software and in case of Racegames an decent wheel) just not to be accused to be an Fanboy or whatever. I had great Fun with GT 1-4, so i bought the PS 3, because i thought GT5 will not disappoint me.

Only time will tell if GT5 will meet its expectations.

And dont get me wrong, im kinda bored of GT5P as well...but the lack of patience on this board is ridiciulous. :dunce:

LOL wut?

I said probably, as in could be, might be, possibly not as in it's the cold hard fact. How is saying "I think" and "probably" fanboy-ish statements?

And I used the same logic you are using to arrive at my conclusion. I was more entertained by Forza and Forza 2, then GT4. I have very little reason to doubt Forza 3 won't be at least on par with the last two instalments of the game in terms of entertainment.

I'm not talking about which game had better physics, car models, etc. either, I am talking about the level of fun I get from the game. If a game is more fun, then it's better in my opinion because that's what I play games for...entertainment value. If I want to see what a real car feels like I'll walk into my garage and drive my real car.

And thanks for proving my point, I can't say anything in a positive light about Forza to have someone jump on me about it.
 
Personally I think that this site isn't as bad as a lot of others, and Joey I think what you're saying, while true about here to whatever degree, is applicable to almost every forum dedicated to a single brand or product. You go to a BMW forum full of BMW fans and start going on about how much you think Audi's are better and it'd be no supprise if a lot of the members jumped on you for it. It's the same on a Forza site as here, if you go to Forza central and start making frequent posts about how you think GT is better than Forza, you'll get jumped on. I do think this site is relatively tolerant in that a higher number of members on here play both games and higher number of members don't dislike either. There are still a lot of members who don't like Forza on here usually without having played it but either way it's the "rival product".

I'm looking forwards to both Forza 3 and GT5, I am looking forwards to GT5 more and I beleive GT5 is the better looking game graphically, but that's not to deride Forza 3, that's just my opinion as things stand. I might end up getting Forza 3 and enjoying it more than I end up enjoying GT5. It happened with Forza 2 and GT4, GT4 was by far the game I was looking forwards to most but I enjoyed Forza 2 more. Further to that I'm enjoying GT5:P more than Forza 2 despite it's lack of content in comparison to the fully fledged games.

Don't take this the wrong way Joey because as a member here I like you, especially when we're debating TVR's and Corvettes, but sometimes even though you're intentions are good and the other member is being unreasonable or whatever, you respond to comments too personally. Sometimes you just have to let a comment go over your head even if you know that the other guy is being stupid and is totally wrong or unreasonable. Getting bogged down in arguments like this, despite being done with good intentions sometimes just fans the flames.

But I think the Forza threads in the XB forums on this site are evidence enough that there's a fair few Forza fans on here.
 
Personally I think that this site isn't as bad as a lot of others, and Joey I think what you're saying, while true about here to whatever degree, is applicable to almost every forum dedicated to a single brand or product. You go to a BMW forum full of BMW fans and start going on about how much you think Audi's are better and it'd be no supprise if a lot of the members jumped on you for it. It's the same on a Forza site as here, if you go to Forza central and start making frequent posts about how you think GT is better than Forza, you'll get jumped on. I do think this site is relatively tolerant in that a higher number of members on here play both games and higher number of members don't dislike either. There are still a lot of members who don't like Forza on here usually without having played it but either way it's the "rival product".

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Personally I think that this site isn't as bad as a lot of others, and Joey I think what you're saying, while true about here to whatever degree, is applicable to almost every forum dedicated to a single brand or product. You go to a BMW forum full of BMW fans and start going on about how much you think Audi's are better and it'd be no supprise if a lot of the members jumped on you for it. It's the same on a Forza site as here, if you go to Forza central and start making frequent posts about how you think GT is better than Forza, you'll get jumped on. I do think this site is relatively tolerant in that a higher number of members on here play both games and higher number of members don't dislike either. There are still a lot of members who don't like Forza on here usually without having played it but either way it's the "rival product".

I'm looking forwards to both Forza 3 and GT5, I am looking forwards to GT5 more and I beleive GT5 is the better looking game graphically, but that's not to deride Forza 3, that's just my opinion as things stand. I might end up getting Forza 3 and enjoying it more than I end up enjoying GT5. It happened with Forza 2 and GT4, GT4 was by far the game I was looking forwards to most but I enjoyed Forza 2 more. Further to that I'm enjoying GT5:P more than Forza 2 despite it's lack of content in comparison to the fully fledged games.

Don't take this the wrong way Joey because as a member here I like you, especially when we're debating TVR's and Corvettes, but sometimes even though you're intentions are good and the other member is being unreasonable or whatever, you respond to comments too personally. Sometimes you just have to let a comment go over your head even if you know that the other guy is being stupid and is totally wrong or unreasonable. Getting bogged down in arguments like this, despite being done with good intentions sometimes just fans the flames.

But I think the Forza threads in the XB forums on this site are evidence enough that there's a fair few Forza fans on here.

I said I was not going to post anymore in this thread but that was truly worthy. +1001 đź‘Ť
 
This site does seem to be one of the most tolerant sites, considering the subject matter. But if some of you are shocked about the reactions you get, you really sound like total newbs to the internets. Somehow, all the death duels over PC vs Mac, Windoze vs Linux, Intel vs AMD, ATi vs nVidia, Nintendo vs SEGA, Mario vs Sonic, Corvettes vs All Other Cars, etc somehow sailed right past you? I wouldn't doubt the same thing happens with ram and power supplies these days.

Some like Joey go to great lengths to pump up FM3 as a game that will probably be stupendous, while not giving the same benefit to GT5 - on a Gran Turismo board - just rings a little dissonant. And doing it a number of times begins to get old. And of course this is from what? A few videos and screengrabs, which the only thing I can see which sets it apart from FM2 are some better lighting and reflections, and way more textures, which should have been in FM2 to start with. And then there are those who give a pass to the brain dead arrogance of Turn 10. Dan Greenawalt telling everyone that they can basically forget every other racing game is one thing, and rather laughable when they can't even get nine cars in a race. But then there's Che Chou, who in remarks about people DARING to like Gran Turismo had the swear filter kicking in. This kind of stuff would wreck friendships, and they definitely aren't my friends.

And look, most of us will get Froza 3, and many will get Shift and DiRT2. Many of us have PC sims. I do. I was talked into buying Enthusia and got really excited by the opening cinemas, but then I realized the supposedly in-game Miata demo was a down-rezed video of a real Miata. The tire sounds were completely missing from the game. The precise body roll was too. In fact, the game communicated to me very poorly even with a DF Pro wheel. I've got PC sims. I have the Live For Speed demo. Many things about it are simply amazing and smoke every other game out there, especially the collision physics which are unmatched. But take a car two laps past the suggested tire change point, and grip will suddenly drop to near zero. And there are other really baffling flaws too. Add to this the fact that you have only five or six tracks and 25 cars in the FULL game, and one track and two cars are real, and you basically are left with a fantasy game. Many love iRacing, but good Lord, you have to pay $150 A YEAR to play the bare bones game, and all added content jacks up the cost a lot more. Gah...

And frankly, as good as the PC sims are, Prologue is so close to them, they bore me. Physics? Little different. Bot A.I.? Little different. Sound? Some difference. Graphics? Woah... huge difference. And what's coming in GT5 will take it even farther. And man, try and discuss not just GT but FM on a PC sim board. You probably won't get banned, but you'll quickly find yourself about as popular as a rotting cow. My views, I have enough sense to keep to myself.

Some people are shocked and dismayed that anyone would love Gran Turismo most of all. Okay, some of them are fanboys who are married to it. I used to be kind of that way a few years ago. But I sobered up one day and just let the chips fall. Some of you cling to GT4 and assume the flaws and simcadeness of that game typify all GT games. But you should realize that being a blind anti-fan is just as bad. Some of us really can go through a checklist and point out some things in Prologue which point to amazingly lifelike simulation, not just car models. And heck, are better than other games. And if some of us, to borrow a leaf from Dan G, don't need another racing game or want another racing game, so what? Just clasp hands and share the luuv of motorsports. :D
 
It's the same on a Forza site as here, if you go to Forza central and start making frequent posts about how you think GT is better than Forza, you'll get jumped on

Forza central is not as bad as some (FM.net), though one or two Forza Central moderators are deciding to edit (steath edit) and delete posts they don't agree with, I am mainly referring to sensible (no flaming or cussing) posts made about GT in the GT section of FC.net. Delete is one thing but stealth editing someones post to make them say something they didn't is just wrong.
 
Well I think the admin was having a bit of a joke after the poster complained how his post was deleted (the post only pointed out the PD titles since GT4), but still it's rude.
 
This pretty much summs it.

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Well besides those TBA stuff that we don't know, I think it's fair to question the validity of the 100+tracks on both Forza 3 and GT5, is it 100+unique tracks or is it 50 tracks and you can mirror it and then get 100 tracks? Does Daytona Speedway and Road Course count as two different tracks?

Also I think quality of the cars is important, that is if out of the 700+ cars in GT5 (if it indeed has 700+cars), we don't get Lamborghini, Porsche and Bugatti (like they have in Forza), that would be a major let down.
 
Jay
Well I think the admin was having a bit of a joke after the poster complained how his post was deleted (the post only pointed out the PD titles since GT4), but still it's rude.
I deleted it because that member only does it to get a rise out of everyone. I don't put up with those silly games there anymore.
 
Well besides those TBA stuff that we don't know, I think it's fair to question the validity of the 100+tracks on both Forza 3 and GT5, is it 100+unique tracks or is it 50 tracks and you can mirror it and then get 100 tracks? Does Daytona Speedway and Road Course count as two different tracks?

Also I think quality of the cars is important, that is if out of the 700+ cars in GT5 (if it indeed has 700+cars), we don't get Lamborghini, Porsche and Bugatti (like they have in Forza), that would be a major let down.

Yeah, and at the end of the day its going to be physics, gameplay and graphics that define what will be the better game. Some people say GTP5 has better graphics than the Forza 3 shots, but I prefer the environments shown in FM3, and we have nothing to compare to in GT5. I personally dont mind having 400 cars compared to 700, assuming they are done well and the physics is realistic, deep and enjoyable.
 
You know, this post is kind of off topic, but we constantly get these news about interviews with KY from game review sites and auto execs; isn't it time we submit specific questions in advance so they appear in the interview. That way we can get some actual info?
 
You know, this post is kind of off topic, but we constantly get these news about interviews with KY from game review sites and auto execs; isn't it time we submit specific questions in advance so they appear in the interview. That way we can get some actual info?

I'm pretty sure some of us, or at least members of another forum have done this already, but in the case it hasn't been done...nothing would come of it.

We'd get nothing more than answers that beat around the bush.
 
...I really don't understand how someone who enjoys racing games can have such a negative attitude towards GT5 and I suppose this works both ways with FM3... ...I do have a theory of why this is happening but I won't post the reason for this in a public forum!!
Can you tell me that reason in a private message? I'm really curious :-Ăž
I have one: Put in it simple, some of us only have money for one console and we feel the need for the exclusives of the rival to fail because if they are good we will feel dumb, losers, that we make a mistake and things like that.

I'm pretty sure some of us, or at least members of another forum have done this already, but in the case it hasn't been done...nothing would come of it.

We'd get nothing more than answers that beat around the bush.
yeah, answers like "We are looking at it", "We are in negotiations with the manufacturer", "We haven't deicided that yet".
Maybe the reporters don't know how to get info out of him. They need to invite him to a bar, with some hot chicks, put him really drunk or put some kind of truth serum in his beverage, and only then start with the questions.
 
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I have one: Put in it simple, some of us only have money for one console and we feel the need for the exclusives of the rival to fail because if they are good we will feel dumb, losers, that we make a mistake and things like that.

Between modifying my Miata, maintaining my Porsche & my attempts to go to Paris every January, I don't have money to buy both consoles, but this reasoning is dumb.

I want Forza & Gran Turismo to try and top each other with every release. Competition improves the breed.

Look at the Evo vs. STI. You don't have to be a fan of both, but you should be able to see that they push each other to be better with every single release.
 
Another problem we have is that we dont know what GT5 will, or will not do better.
We just dont know which features it has, we cant compare it to either FM2 or FM3.
The only things we have are Prologue and the E3 trailer. Prologue is already over 1 1/2 year old and very limited feature wise and the E3 trailer showed no real gameplay scene.
 
I deleted it because that member only does it to get a rise out of everyone. I don't put up with those silly games there anymore.

Yeah the deletion doesn't matter, just a little concerned about the stealth edits, thats not a common thing is it? (I know you didn't do it)
 
Jay
Yeah the deletion doesn't matter, just a little concerned about the stealth edits, thats not a common thing is it? (I know you didn't do it)
Not that I know of. But knowing the Admin, I'm pretty sure it was done in jest. He's never done that out of spite.
 
Well besides those TBA stuff that we don't know, I think it's fair to question the validity of the 100+tracks on both Forza 3 and GT5, is it 100+unique tracks or is it 50 tracks and you can mirror it and then get 100 tracks? Does Daytona Speedway and Road Course count as two different tracks?

Also I think quality of the cars is important, that is if out of the 700+ cars in GT5 (if it indeed has 700+cars), we don't get Lamborghini, Porsche and Bugatti (like they have in Forza), that would be a major let down.
About your image, Mechanical and visual damage have already been confirmed. Did you see the GT5 trailer at all? Dynamic weather changes have also been announced.
Change of night and day are track based. Photo mode is obviously going to be included because they wouldn't take out such a good feature like that.
B-spec will be in it too.
Used Car garages have been confirmed It has been in every GT game except for GT3.
 
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