Fuji 2005 is the worst EVER!!!
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I agree. I love to see those F1 cars sream out of 13 all the way down through 1.
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kensei
I think the Sebring Raceway here in Florida would be perfect...
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i love all the fuji's. they're great tracks for high speed cars, and are really good for using the draft(slipstream.) fuji gt 2005 is awesome b/c there is not much grass and just pavement on the outside.
Personally, I think all the tracks are great, they all require different skills. The people who hate Opera Paris probably also hate driving on Monaco, which is one of the best tracks, I think. I love low-speed turns because they require real skill to get through properly. Instead of just blasting through at high speed, you have to judge when to brake, when to turn in...
I think PD has real skill at designing original tracks, all of them are memorable and fun to drive.
I think Fuji 90's is the best Fuji track. 80's is fast but no real challenge. 2005 is interesting, but it 'looks' terrible. First time I drove it, I had no idea where to go, everything is black ashfault. Looks ugly... but that doesn't mean it's a bad track.
I think PD has real skill at designing original tracks, all of them are memorable and fun to drive.
I think Fuji 90's is the best Fuji track. 80's is fast but no real challenge. 2005 is interesting, but it 'looks' terrible. First time I drove it, I had no idea where to go, everything is black ashfault. Looks ugly... but that doesn't mean it's a bad track.
Fuji 2005 is horrible... If you want to see a line of F1 cars snailing through a turn in a perfect line... This is the track to see it at.. Obviously people pay good money to see F1 cars at near stand still speeds... They were built to race around 30 - 40 mph conditions correct?
Monaco, being as good of a track as it is for time attack / rally, it serves no purpose being a F1 track... This is the prime example of a line of F1 cars snailing behind the slowest guy... The front up hill straight or the back tunnel... Choose your poison if you want to pass...
Whats so bad aboug Hong Kong? It's sure a lot harder than New York... The only hard part to New York is the fat circle... Seattle however is still the best city track... Still tho, there are TONS more places in Hong Kong they could of used for technical merits, but I guess they choose the flashy distractions route...
Monaco, being as good of a track as it is for time attack / rally, it serves no purpose being a F1 track... This is the prime example of a line of F1 cars snailing behind the slowest guy... The front up hill straight or the back tunnel... Choose your poison if you want to pass...
Whats so bad aboug Hong Kong? It's sure a lot harder than New York... The only hard part to New York is the fat circle... Seattle however is still the best city track... Still tho, there are TONS more places in Hong Kong they could of used for technical merits, but I guess they choose the flashy distractions route...
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I think they totally ruined Fuji in the 2005 versions. It used to have character, with the elevation changes, turns that decreased or increased in radius, it was trickier than it looked.
Now the 2005 version seems almost totally flat, and all you have for a course boundary is that thin white line.
I don't find this new version particularly challenging, despite having more turns. Dealing with the big decreasing radius sweepers of the 80's and 90's versions was much better thatn what there is now.
I think the only track I like less than this one is Motegi Twin Ring Full... Wake me when the race is over, I can't stand doing more than two laps of that place. Flat, too-long, boring straightaways connecting hairpins or 2nd gear corners. The only thing remotely challenging about this track is the sun in your face as you try to find your way through the chicane to the start/finish line.
I hope they don't ever change Infineon to get F1 to run there. If the cars can't cope with the elevation changes, maybe the engineers should get back to work and build cars that can...
Now the 2005 version seems almost totally flat, and all you have for a course boundary is that thin white line.
I don't find this new version particularly challenging, despite having more turns. Dealing with the big decreasing radius sweepers of the 80's and 90's versions was much better thatn what there is now.
I think the only track I like less than this one is Motegi Twin Ring Full... Wake me when the race is over, I can't stand doing more than two laps of that place. Flat, too-long, boring straightaways connecting hairpins or 2nd gear corners. The only thing remotely challenging about this track is the sun in your face as you try to find your way through the chicane to the start/finish line.
I hope they don't ever change Infineon to get F1 to run there. If the cars can't cope with the elevation changes, maybe the engineers should get back to work and build cars that can...
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All of you guys say it's either too simple or too complex. I find it to be the most enjoyable track.
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OK, time for my two cents, er, credits...
I think that the Fuji Speedway groups of tracks are pretty good. I like them all, but the 2005 versions, they're the worst...out of the Fuji Speedways, anyway. (Edit: Why? A bunch of slow-ish turns at the end, and there's too many turn-offs onto roads which lead into walls -_-;
80s is probably the best by me, mainly cause I love going at fast speeds around corners. 90s is good too, but the shortcut really kills it (and the competition ^_^).
My vote for worst track goes to Twin Ring Motegi full. It's just kinda long and boring...a bunch of straights followed by sharp turns. Meh. Opera Paris is down there too, but maybe I just can't drive, that's why. >_<
I think that the Fuji Speedway groups of tracks are pretty good. I like them all, but the 2005 versions, they're the worst...out of the Fuji Speedways, anyway. (Edit: Why? A bunch of slow-ish turns at the end, and there's too many turn-offs onto roads which lead into walls -_-;
80s is probably the best by me, mainly cause I love going at fast speeds around corners. 90s is good too, but the shortcut really kills it (and the competition ^_^).My vote for worst track goes to Twin Ring Motegi full. It's just kinda long and boring...a bunch of straights followed by sharp turns. Meh. Opera Paris is down there too, but maybe I just can't drive, that's why. >_<
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yeah, opera is a really crappy course. i raced it once and never again. i'll leave that to my poor b-spec guy. i'm sure he hates me.
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um.... i'd be great if ppl can post their opinion with a reason....
i'm still trying to figure out why so many ppl hate HK track (instead of Seoul.
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i love HK track.... i could see it being not as fun because of all the grid like city struction (as in new york..), but i'd say HK is more fun than NY and Seoul....
i also dun like George V but that's only because i can't drive well on it...
twin ring is boring.... and i hate the color tone of the sunset.... hurts my eyes.,..
i'm still trying to figure out why so many ppl hate HK track (instead of Seoul.
)i love HK track.... i could see it being not as fun because of all the grid like city struction (as in new york..), but i'd say HK is more fun than NY and Seoul....
i also dun like George V but that's only because i can't drive well on it...
twin ring is boring.... and i hate the color tone of the sunset.... hurts my eyes.,..
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Hong Kong in my opinion has way too many turns and no room to stretch your car's legs, so to speak.
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I don't mind Fuji, but HK, Seoul, NY, and Paris give me seizures.
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HK, and Seoul reverse are horrible. Paris in reverse doesnt work either. 2005 Fuji looks like it was made out of volcanic rock there's hardly any infield so I'll sometimes find myself driving on the otherside of the grass on another road which reminds me of driving in city traffic and looking at everyone on the other side of the median go faster than me which sucks. I like HK's scenery but the track itself is horrible. Paris took me awhile to get used to but I've always loved the scenery now I like the track. I just dont think I can get used to Hong Kong though. Maybe one day I'll get used to Fuji 2005, but I still wont like it.
Hmm... reading this thread, I mostly see just a lot of hatred toward any track with more than one slow, highly technical section.
I'm guessing these are the same folks who only drive maxed out 900+hp cars... and with lead feet.
Personally, I like all of the tracks in GT... fast or slow... city or road course... except the test course. I really hated that GT3 often included the test course in race series. I refused to run it. It requires no skill or even effort by design. So it's just loooong and boring. GT4 doesn't seem to use the test course anywhere except actual testing. Yay!
Oh, and I really like all of the various versions of Fuji. They really illustrate how a chicane here or there can completely alter the personality of the track.
I also think the city courses are deceptively complex. Sure, driving them in a basic sense is relatively easy. But getting really good times out of them is another matter.
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I'm guessing these are the same folks who only drive maxed out 900+hp cars... and with lead feet.
Personally, I like all of the tracks in GT... fast or slow... city or road course... except the test course. I really hated that GT3 often included the test course in race series. I refused to run it. It requires no skill or even effort by design. So it's just loooong and boring. GT4 doesn't seem to use the test course anywhere except actual testing. Yay!
Oh, and I really like all of the various versions of Fuji. They really illustrate how a chicane here or there can completely alter the personality of the track.
I also think the city courses are deceptively complex. Sure, driving them in a basic sense is relatively easy. But getting really good times out of them is another matter.
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The thing with Hong Kong (and also George V) is that it feels like stop-go-stop-go driving. I guess since it is in the city, it is kind of appropriate. But NYC, Opera Paris, Seattle, Seoul and Tokyo all have a good flow to them once you find the proper lines, whereas HK and George V always have that stop-go.
One of the things that bugs me about Hong Kong is that they didn't bother to fix the signs when you run in the reverse direction, so that the arrows on the barriers are all pointing the wrong way. They either should have fixed that, or else only offered the track in the forward direction. Another thing I hate about Hong Kong is the curbing in the braking zone of one of the corners. Anybody who has driven it probably knows exactly where I am talking about. The curb sticks out a few feet from the outside wall, exactly where I'd be starting my turn-in.
Other than that, the course has too many straightaways of almost the exact same length, followed by a ninety degree turn. Gets very monotonous. George V is even worse.
What I like to see in the city courses is turns that you can link. The section in Seattle that is after the chicane if running counter-clockwise is an example. Opera Paris has a section that is almost the same. NYC has the section of ninety degree turns that are spaced differently, and can be nicely linked.
One of the things that bugs me about Hong Kong is that they didn't bother to fix the signs when you run in the reverse direction, so that the arrows on the barriers are all pointing the wrong way. They either should have fixed that, or else only offered the track in the forward direction. Another thing I hate about Hong Kong is the curbing in the braking zone of one of the corners. Anybody who has driven it probably knows exactly where I am talking about. The curb sticks out a few feet from the outside wall, exactly where I'd be starting my turn-in.
Other than that, the course has too many straightaways of almost the exact same length, followed by a ninety degree turn. Gets very monotonous. George V is even worse.
What I like to see in the city courses is turns that you can link. The section in Seattle that is after the chicane if running counter-clockwise is an example. Opera Paris has a section that is almost the same. NYC has the section of ninety degree turns that are spaced differently, and can be nicely linked.
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Not for F1.....sportscars yes. It would need so much work though.
My vote for any US circuit would be Watkins Glen. It is only about 1 hour from where I grew up and I know the area well. However it would need a ton of work and some redesign for modern F1. The chances of that ever happening in upstate NY are slim to none. Not only that but F1 already has two races on the east side of North America. I doubt they would add a third. I would think they want to be on the west coast or down Mexico way (they are trying to build a new track in mexico, thouhg I remember reading it was on hold now).
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The thing about Hong Kong is that as a whole, the course isn't a good course. Each section of the track on its own is fun to drive, the problem is that these pieces are crammed together to form an almost unorganized series of turns and short straights that don't add up to much. I really like the section of the track that runs along the beach, but there is nothing before or after this section to compliment it, just more short straights and akward turns. Again, the L, R, L before the start finish line is a good technical section that has a lot of potential, but it just doesn't fit well with the rest of the track.
I do believe that Seoul Central was a last minute addition, because it lacks creativity and the scenery doesn't even appear to be entirely finished. While the rest of the city courses appear approximately 14-16 times in the game, Seoul only shows up 8 times making it appear to be a throw-in track, just to complete a few of the series and give Hyundai a place to run their single-make races. (I did do a breakdown on the number of times each track is run to figure out why it seemed like I was racing at Tsukuba on every series. It appears 7 more times than any other track. I'm lame and I know it. Its what you end up doing when you are in that dead period between graduation and finding a job)
I do believe that Seoul Central was a last minute addition, because it lacks creativity and the scenery doesn't even appear to be entirely finished. While the rest of the city courses appear approximately 14-16 times in the game, Seoul only shows up 8 times making it appear to be a throw-in track, just to complete a few of the series and give Hyundai a place to run their single-make races. (I did do a breakdown on the number of times each track is run to figure out why it seemed like I was racing at Tsukuba on every series. It appears 7 more times than any other track. I'm lame and I know it. Its what you end up doing when you are in that dead period between graduation and finding a job)
Count me in with those who HATE Fuji 2005. I could deal with the new circuit layout, even though they've screwed up a perfectly good racetrack for F1 (when all they really need is a bucket of tobacco money for Bernie). My real problem with Fuji 2005 is that one feels lost on the circuit. There's no brake markers (300m, 200m, and 100m to the corner) and the runoff looks like the racetrack, so you never know where to turn. They've gone from a good track (Fuji 80's), to a great track (Fuji 90's), to a crappy track in 2005.
The new Fuji ranks with Paris Opera as my two least favorite circuits.
As for potential F1 tracks in the U.S., sign me up for Road America. Even JP Montoya says F1 there would be great. I think it's the best circuit in America and one I would love to see in future versions of GT.
The new Fuji ranks with Paris Opera as my two least favorite circuits.
As for potential F1 tracks in the U.S., sign me up for Road America. Even JP Montoya says F1 there would be great. I think it's the best circuit in America and one I would love to see in future versions of GT.
