Fuji 2005 is the worst EVER!!!

[Cosmic]

Fuji 2005 owns. That's it!

 

[440 CHARGER]

Ahhh, I dont mind any of the Fuji tracks. Any non-city course is welcome in my book. I just like the real racing and sports car circuits, like Fuji, Motegi, Apricot Hill, Trial Mountain, etc. etc... And yea, a few of the city courses arent bad, but Seoul, Hong Kong, and Opera Paris always get a go from my B-Spec driver.

Some tracks I would of liked to have seen are some of the oval-infeild tracks like the Daytona 24hr track, and the Indy F1 track. And of course, Road Atlanta and all of those good tracks the GT cars are always racing on on the SPEED Channel. I want lots of real racing circuits. Just my 2 cents though, so, later

 

[kensei]

The thing about Hong Kong is that as a whole, the course isn't a good course. Each section of the track on its own is fun to drive, the problem is that these pieces are crammed together to form an almost unorganized series of turns and short straights that don't add up to much.

But that is what a street circuit is. A compromise because it wasn't purpose built as a race circuit. Look at the real life Shanghai street circuit (the one the DTM raced at last season). That circuit is very tight and lots of stop go but is made out of tight and twisty streets. The HK circuit in GT4 is the same deal as is Opera and George V, even parts of NYC.

I happen to like HK. The only street circuit in GT4 I don't like is Tokyo R246, but I've never ever liked it, so no worries.

I much prefer purpose built race tracks, but street circuits have their charm time to time.

 

[Greyout]

I would of liked to have seen are some of the oval-infeild tracks like the Daytona 24hr track, and the Indy F1 track.

agreed! I think Motegi could have done this, too bad that layout was not included (I THINK it exists in real life, I could be wrong...)

 

[kensei]

agreed! I think Motegi could have done this, too bad that layout was not included (I THINK it exists in real life, I could be wrong...)

It is. All 4 current Motegi layouts are in GT4 (East & West courses, the full road course and the Oval). As far as I know the Oval and the Road sections don't ever meet (like Daytona or indy). The Road sections go under the oval, with seperate pits and everything.

I wouldn't have a problem with either Daytona or Indy. I'd prefer the Daytona oval but I suspect Indy will come first because of it's history.

I fully expect to see NASCAR stock cars in GT5 with a super speed way oval like Daytona along with Indy oval and maybe infield, especially with more classic cars.

 

[theRukus]

ye fuji 2005 tracks are absolute crap mainly because they look crap and u cant tell where the turn is. i love fuji 90s tho.

cant see why u guys think the city tracks are crap? they're good and i reckon seoul is a good track too. i love tight corner tracks (i REALLY wish special stage route 11 was in GT4).. these tracks would be extra good (especially paris) once we get the F1 cars.

i dislike cite di aria, hate: motegi super speedway, test track

faves: el capitan, nurb, tsukuba, infineon, fisco90s, laguna, amalfi, beginners courses(both), oh **** im gonna list all of them damn

 

[den brakke]

I agree with the topicstarter, Fuji 2005 is almost as bad as Hongkong.
But i am afraid that that kind of tracs are the future. Bernie Eckelstone's Paul Ricard in France also got special grip asfalt instead of the usual grind.

 

[TECHNETIUM]

Fuji's bad at first but run it 10-15 laps and see how good you get at it you might get to like it. At least thats what happened to me recently.

 

[CaptGeography]

I much prefer purpose built race tracks, but street circuits have their charm time to time.

Don't get me wrong, I love street circuits, as long as they're designed well. Anyone can just pick a bunch of streets in any town and make a track, but sometimes there are locations that are much more suitable for street racing than others. It appears that GT4 uses authentic street layouts, which is cool (I can only verify NY as about 90% accurate. Columbus circle isn't quite right). However, it appears for gaming purposes the goal of the city tracks were more for the local scenery/architecture of the given city than for the adaptibility of its streets to a quality city circuit. Of course, I could very well be missing the point of having the city tracks in the first place. But, Hong Kong just strikes a sour note with me.

As for potential F1 tracks in the U.S., sign me up for Road America.

That is my all-time favorite NA road course. Big straights, elevation change, good mixture of fast sweeping corners and tight, small-apex turns, lack of ill-placed chicanes, etc. Having never been there, I can't tell you what the facilities look like, but I imagine they're probably about as far away from F1 spec as you can get, though.

 

[Mulsanne]

Re: Road America

Plus the fact that it's in the middle of nowhere. Same thing that bought down Watkins Glen. No glitzy hotels for Bernie's "jet set" superstars/celebs to commute from.

Personally, it's a good thing they haven't screwed up the place for "karting with Bernie". It leaves us with at least one interesting racetrack that Mr. Tilke hasn't messed with.

One of my favorites as well. I remember playing IndyCar 2 on the PC and spending most of my time there. It felt great to beat the lap records and turn in the perfect lap. I always get stoked for a race at Road America, whether it's ALMS, Speed World Challenge, or Champ Cars.

 

[kensei]

Anyone can just pick a bunch of streets in any town and make a track,

Pretty much, thats how it works.....

It appears that GT4 uses authentic street layouts, which is cool (I can only verify NY as about 90% accurate. Columbus circle isn't quite right).

More like 95% circa late 2002. I live in NYC, work off of turn 4.

That is my all-time favorite NA road course. Big straights, elevation change, good mixture of fast sweeping corners and tight, small-apex turns, lack of ill-placed chicanes, etc. Having never been there, I can't tell you what the facilities look like, but I imagine they're probably about as far away from F1 spec as you can get, though.

Unfortunatley, as much as I love F1. Modern F1 circuits are rather bland. For any other type of car on them 9 times out of 10 it is pointless. Malayshia is the only "new" circuit that I find racing interesting on for many types of autosport, two and four wheels.

Road Atlanta is ok, nothing special in my book.

GT4 has the Nordschleife. THAT is the ultimate circuit, hands down, no debate....700 cars to pick from (of which I only really drive 13) and the Nordschleife...nice.

 

[CaptGeography]

More like 95% circa late 2002. I live in NYC, work off of turn 4.

How cool is that? Are the buildings pretty much the same? I noticed there aren't any traffic lights or manholes, but I guess they couldn't include everything.

 

[Jetboy.]

Meh....Fuji is not too bad...it's Suzuka that gets me. Every single turn leads you to a gravel trap. Blech! Worse yet, if you do clear the turn correctly, the AI punts you off anyway.

 

[ViperCLK-GTR]

I like all the tracks in the GT series except for Test Course and Complex String.

 

[woodstock827]

would the HK track from PGR2 a better track than HK from GT4?
i personally like the GT4 HK better though....

it'd be cool if they added Macau too.... since it's a real F3 track.... or Toronto for Molson Indy..

(the reverse red/white arrow signs do suck though..... got me a few times at first...)

 

[Mulsanne]

Suzuka is a great circuit. Perhaps the best one the F1 circus goes to. Too bad they changed the 130R corner. PD put 5 different versions of Fuji in the game, but only couldn't put in the old Suzuka? I would love to have tried to take the 130R flat in an LMP or F1 car.

woodstock, great idea about Macau. Great circuit. A mix of Tokyo R246 (wide front straight) and Citta d'Aria (tight, narrow back of the course, plus that really tight hairpin). I'm actually surprised that didn't make it into the game.

 

[initialdrift]

I like fuji 2005. It may be one of the hardest tracks in the game but if you can't drive it than how can you drive on nurburgring or cote d' azur.

 

[JGTChampion]

I just can't figure out the lines of the track for some reason and i usually learn them fast but not fuji 2005. i just dont know whats up with it i just dont like it

 

[DJ-CiviC]

Fuji 2005 owns. That's it!

I agree. Real great track

 

[flamingwonky]

Just because city tracks have 90-degree corners doesn't mean they suck, because they don't. You just don't go into them in 3rd gear or you'll smack into the opposite wall. They're a special kind of track, where patience and good braking pays off. Personally, I enjoy HK, NY, Opera and Seoul much more than Suzuka or Tsukuba. They're just plain fun. Well, to each his own.

Of course, my favorite is still, by far, the Nurb.

 

[capnlarge]

The sea of pavement at Fuji 05 is the highlight of the track for me. It's not a negative, it makes the track freaky to drive. All of the new courses are solid in my opinion. That includes Seoul, both Paris Courses and all the Fujis.

 

[metal248]

I hate that mazda track, the one with all the sand and has that one messed up turn that also is a spiral drop.

 

[core_drifter]

my gosh it whould be the test course nasty icky sick

 

[capnlarge]

I hate that mazda track, the one with all the sand and has that one messed up turn that also is a spiral drop.

Laguna Seca > *. The corkscrew is a thing of beauty.

 

[JohnBM01]

Not to sound like a Fuji purist, but I think Fuji 2005 completely kills the high speed and fluid nature of the 1980s and 1990s versions of Fuji. Worst ever? Maybe the worst of the Fuji variants. I know that F1 races Suzuka, but the 2005 variant of Fuji feels more like a Formula One track than a JGTC circuit. And I've always considered Fuji as a sort of high-speed track even with those two sweeping right-hand straights. I think the F1 style of this proposed configuration takes the fun out of Fuji, and I've never really considered Fuji as a drivers course.

I bet most of you are probably like "Herman Tilke is the Chris Bangle of track design." I just think that if I want an F1 race in Japan, Suzuka is my meal ticket. Fuji 2005 just isn't going to bode well with those who consider Fuji as one of the nicest high-speed courses in the world. Fuji 2005 is nothing more but a Japanese Monza turned into a Japanese Imola. Hell, I could have done better if I was on the design team!

 

[RockyZ]

I think the track is nice, kind of takes the "SPEED" away from the speedway but I think the track is fairly well designed.

THE WORST TRACK IN GT4.................Hong Kong.

The track is abosuletly horrible, I've seen people driving it, and I also drive it sometimes and I have realized the only way to drive the track right to go slow, the turns are horribly placed, feels like I'm playing NFSU or something except this time my car isn't magnetically glued ot the ground with perfect handeling but is realistic.

New York track has some really weird turns but it isn't horrible, but the straightaways are a bit too long at times and messes up your turns, which are usually 90 degrees.

 

[utarefson]

I initially found the Fuji 2005 track difficult because the racing lines aren't clearly visible, but once you know the course...I think it's alright.

There are far worse tracks...Hong Kong, almost everyone seems to hate this one. I usually like twisty turning city tracks because once you know them well and nail 'em...there's an immense sense of satisfaction. I love Opera....because I know it inside out. It's all about racing lines....these city tracks just arent as forgiving.

 

[Appie]

I love Fuji Speedway all of of them espacielly fuji speedway 2005gt

 

[trEVO]

The best bit about the old Fuji circuits was the big sweeping turn leading on the the main straight, and now they've replaced it with some slow esses. sigh.

 

[JoeyL]

I think the old Fuji was a bit bland, the new one is much more technical and challenging. Although the scenery on the old one was better, I admit.