Gay Marriage
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Christianity is listed in the Guinness Book of World Records as the largest religion in the world, so I think the minority issue is out the question.
Now, to danoff's question... I too would like to know the reasoning for banning gay marriages outside of religious reasons. *waits patiently*
Now, to danoff's question... I too would like to know the reasoning for banning gay marriages outside of religious reasons. *waits patiently*
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And that's fine. Nobody's asking you to get married to a man. Nobody's even asking you to have gay friends. That's the joy of an open society - you don't have to do what you can't condone, but you can let others do it if they wish.
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As usual, I'm late to the tea party and wearing a tacky pumpkin Volkswagen fade tee to it... 
All I'll say is that if I have to move to Canada to get married to the man that I love, I'm going to do it. The climate sucks, and I'll always love Texas... but if my state can't move into the 21st century by legalizing gay marriage and repealing our sodomy laws, I don't have to stay.
The cold'll give me an excuse to buy an awesome jacket to cover my pumpkin shirt, and Canadians are hot anyway.
By the way, quick edit: I'm not sure how many gay people there are on GTPlanet -- theoretically, it should be a large proportion -- but I'd like to extend a thank you to those who are 'fighting the good fight', so to speak. It takes courage to stand up to people that blindly hate... I know it because I do it day in and day out. It heartens me to see such kindness from so many people in this thread...
All I'll say is that if I have to move to Canada to get married to the man that I love, I'm going to do it. The climate sucks, and I'll always love Texas... but if my state can't move into the 21st century by legalizing gay marriage and repealing our sodomy laws, I don't have to stay.
The cold'll give me an excuse to buy an awesome jacket to cover my pumpkin shirt, and Canadians are hot anyway.
By the way, quick edit: I'm not sure how many gay people there are on GTPlanet -- theoretically, it should be a large proportion -- but I'd like to extend a thank you to those who are 'fighting the good fight', so to speak. It takes courage to stand up to people that blindly hate... I know it because I do it day in and day out. It heartens me to see such kindness from so many people in this thread...
Originally posted by HondaKid86
As usual, I'm late to the tea party and wearing a tacky pumpkin Volkswagen fade tee to it...
All I'll say is that if I have to move to Canada to get married to the man that I love, I'm going to do it. The climate sucks, and I'll always love Texas... but if my state can't move into the 21st century by legalizing gay marriage and repealing our sodomy laws, I don't have to stay.
First off - you love Texas?
Second - our state (I say 'our' with an extremely sad face - I wish I could say 'your') seems to be moving backwards; it's as conservative as Hawaii is liberal. I don't like it much either to be lumped in with such old-fashioned half-wits.
By the way, quick edit: I'm not sure how many gay people there are on GTPlanet -- theoretically, it should be a large proportion -- but I'd like to extend a thank you to those who are 'fighting the good fight', so to speak. It takes courage to stand up to people that blindly hate... I know it because I do it day in and day out. It heartens me to see such kindness from so many people in this thread...
Well, there's evidently one.
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I'm actually supposed to be in bed right now; tomorrow, I'm driving my Civic to Bay City and Austin to sightsee. Texas's history and culture intrigue me... I'm not sure why, but I feel a sincere connection to this state.
I'm from the Rio Grande Valley... nobody ever talks about the RGV being a part of Texas because it's unworthy. You say Texas isn't progressive? The RGV is the epitome of an archaic region with blindly conservative viewpoints rooted in hate that can be traced back to generations past. Believe me, I understand where you're coming from.
It doesn't matter how many gay people are on GTP... it only matters how many open minded people there are here. Threads like this are indicative of a populace's receptiveness to tolerance; in short, I know who my friends at GTP are. Pako has always been an object of my admiration from afar because of his band and knack for making avatars, but the posts that I've seen from him in this thread have been nothing less than shocking. At the GTF (my home forum, I guess you could say), all of our moderators are very open minded and promote tolerance at every opportunity. That's not what I've seen here, and it's disappointing.
I'd just like to point out that there's a difference between being Christian and being judgemental and audacious.
There are three types of people that participate in the "Is it a choice" debate:
1. The people that know that it's not a choice.
2. The people that honestly question whether it's a choice or not, and are receptive to what others have to say about it.
3. The people that are dead stuck in believing that homosexuality is a conscious choice, and that cannot be swayed.
To the number twos out there: I have no incentive to lie to you. I have no reason to deceive you or mislead you. I hope that you'll believe me when I honestly tell you that being gay is not something that I chose. Why would I choose to become a part of the most hated part of society in modern times? Why would I choose to make my mother cry, to make my own life harder, to subject myself to the constant scruitiny of others, and to deprive myself of such elemental indications of being as marriage and a sense of normalcy?
For what it's worth, I am a practicing Catholic, and I study Buddhist theology. I know that God loves me... there are hateful flyers at church sometimes. What can I do? I just ignore them and reassure myself that I'm loved. God doesn't care about something as petty as someone's sexual preference... as long as I enjoy every day with a fervent passion, I know that I'm in good standing.
I'm from the Rio Grande Valley... nobody ever talks about the RGV being a part of Texas because it's unworthy. You say Texas isn't progressive? The RGV is the epitome of an archaic region with blindly conservative viewpoints rooted in hate that can be traced back to generations past. Believe me, I understand where you're coming from.
It doesn't matter how many gay people are on GTP... it only matters how many open minded people there are here. Threads like this are indicative of a populace's receptiveness to tolerance; in short, I know who my friends at GTP are. Pako has always been an object of my admiration from afar because of his band and knack for making avatars, but the posts that I've seen from him in this thread have been nothing less than shocking. At the GTF (my home forum, I guess you could say), all of our moderators are very open minded and promote tolerance at every opportunity. That's not what I've seen here, and it's disappointing.
I'd just like to point out that there's a difference between being Christian and being judgemental and audacious.
There are three types of people that participate in the "Is it a choice" debate:
1. The people that know that it's not a choice.
2. The people that honestly question whether it's a choice or not, and are receptive to what others have to say about it.
3. The people that are dead stuck in believing that homosexuality is a conscious choice, and that cannot be swayed.
To the number twos out there: I have no incentive to lie to you. I have no reason to deceive you or mislead you. I hope that you'll believe me when I honestly tell you that being gay is not something that I chose. Why would I choose to become a part of the most hated part of society in modern times? Why would I choose to make my mother cry, to make my own life harder, to subject myself to the constant scruitiny of others, and to deprive myself of such elemental indications of being as marriage and a sense of normalcy?
For what it's worth, I am a practicing Catholic, and I study Buddhist theology. I know that God loves me... there are hateful flyers at church sometimes. What can I do? I just ignore them and reassure myself that I'm loved. God doesn't care about something as petty as someone's sexual preference... as long as I enjoy every day with a fervent passion, I know that I'm in good standing.
It has a very interesting history - though I can't say I'm infatuated with its present. Exceping one of my favourite parts of the world, Loving County, Texas, the world's smallest county (107 people!).
At least it isn't as bad as Mississippi.I just keep telling myself that.
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http://www.usembassy.de/usa/etexts/soc/statab01religion.pdf
According to this, of the people living in america in the year 2000, the total percentage of people not believing in christ represent a whopping 15%.
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I've seen Baptists tell my wife to her face that she worships idols and is going to Hell. She's a lapsed Catholic. You might not think that's "Christian", DGB, but those Baptists sure did.
The Presbyterians are still divided into two groups that do not get along with each other - the PCA and the PCUSA - over a disagreement on some obscure concordance that happened in about 1861. And that's just within one particular flavor of Christian; let alone between totally different denominations. And that, of course, is leaving out the differences between Shi'tes and other Moslems; Orthodox Jews who think that New Reform Jews aren't worthy, etc.
So please, I think that danoff nailed it - they are pretty words to mouth, but putting them into real practice is another story. The doors of the Church may be open to everybody, but the gates of Heaven apparently aren't.
The only ones that are close to practicing that kind of tolerance are the Quakers and the Unitarians.
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HondaKid86 - I'd like to say, thank you very much for piping in. And you know that there will always be plenty of people who support you no matter what.
Now, after hearing what he has said, can those of you who refuse to say that gay marriage should be 100% legal at least look at things in a different light?
Now, after hearing what he has said, can those of you who refuse to say that gay marriage should be 100% legal at least look at things in a different light?
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