Global Protests Against Social Distancing, Lockdown, Vaccine Mandate
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Randomly stumbled into this thread under the “latest post” header when I meant to hit a Gran Turismo thread. Decided to read a couple pages to gauge the political temperature of a forum of this type. Pretty interesting opinions…. Although in line with what I kind of figured (absolutely not meant to be a knock on anyone).
I can’t speak to other countries, but in the United States, despite what the media portrays as a typical unvaccinated United States citizen…. Which we all know is the red state, red neck type. Data shows a different picture. Did a quick search and found some data on vaccination rates IN THE UNITED STATES by ethnicity
https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-cov...a-on-covid-19-vaccinations-by-race-ethnicity/
As an 18 year fireman who has worked in nothing but impoverished neighborhoods (I’m at work on the last 10 hours of a 120 as I type this), from what I’ve seen, these vaccination rates hold pretty true (to my part of the country at least).
Taking this data, and reading some of the above opinions… one could argue the temperature of this room is reminiscent of the United States pre-1960.
Once again, NOT KNOCKING ANYONE or looking for a fight, but just providing an alternate viewpoint. I for one am pro-vaccine…. But steadfastly anti-mandate. I honestly don’t think the mandates OR the vaccine work. How do I know? Well, I’m not a scientist…. Just a dumb fireman….so I don’t actually know
However, I’ve gotten Covid twice. First time was some months after my second shot. Last time was very recent and s couple months after my booster. Both times were extremely mild. I’ve worked through dozens of colds way worse than this. For the record, I’m 38…. Race motorcycles at a high level and I’m a triathlete. The odds overwhelmingly in my favor of this virus being little more than a burp.
Why am I pro vaccine then? Well, for me personally…. I hate being sick. Time being under the weather is time not training, and time not working overtime.
I’m pro vaccine for people with pre-existing health conditions, and the elderly. I do believe s vaccine will keep those people out of the hospital. At a couple points during the pandemic, the zip code I serve had the highest infection rates in the nation. EVERY SINGLE PERSON whom I pumped on their chest, had MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE health problems. Covid was the kicker that put their already years-stressed vital organs over the top. Some were vaxed. Some weren’t.
Did I have very healthy friends and coworkers that got pretty damn sick. 100%. I think we all do. We have an intern that’s doing a 30 shift ride along at my station. He’s a smart dude. He’s doing this as part of his doctorate program thingee. He has a double masters, one being in epidemiology, and the other one in something else that’s all science-y and medicine related. He explains to me how the vaccines work against any virus. He explains how viruses mutate. As far as I can tell and he can explain, The theory of vaccines make sense and work when the target is stationary. But when we’re dealing with a constant moving and evolving target like we have been for going on 3 years now…. Vaccines are the equivalent of combat blood-clotting bandages. They’ll work for a little bit… hopefully just long enough to get the person to surgery (side note, we use combat dressing somewhat regularly in bad GSW’s. Stuff is like bondo for the abdomen or major appendage! It works great!)
But even my scientist-intern buddy admits that at this point, nothing we have done has really been working all that much or as intended. Our best bet is to develop better therapeutics and maintain as good of an individual baseline health as we can.
Alright, I’m gonna go back to the GT7 updates thread and read @Imari and @Scaff chin-checking guys with Gran Turismo facts!
PS:
@Imari…in 2 years time, I’m gonna end up being right about the evolution that PD will take with GT7 by way of perpetual updates until it becomes a PS5 only game (for the latest and greatest of course). There will not be a Gran Turismo game that will be exclusively for PS5. The next completely new Gran Turismo game will also be cross-gen. Just this time between PS5 and PS6. Stamp It!!!
If I’m wrong, I’ll gladly eat crow!!
Later Dudes!!
I can’t speak to other countries, but in the United States, despite what the media portrays as a typical unvaccinated United States citizen…. Which we all know is the red state, red neck type. Data shows a different picture. Did a quick search and found some data on vaccination rates IN THE UNITED STATES by ethnicity
https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-cov...a-on-covid-19-vaccinations-by-race-ethnicity/
As an 18 year fireman who has worked in nothing but impoverished neighborhoods (I’m at work on the last 10 hours of a 120 as I type this), from what I’ve seen, these vaccination rates hold pretty true (to my part of the country at least).
Taking this data, and reading some of the above opinions… one could argue the temperature of this room is reminiscent of the United States pre-1960.
Once again, NOT KNOCKING ANYONE or looking for a fight, but just providing an alternate viewpoint. I for one am pro-vaccine…. But steadfastly anti-mandate. I honestly don’t think the mandates OR the vaccine work. How do I know? Well, I’m not a scientist…. Just a dumb fireman….so I don’t actually know
However, I’ve gotten Covid twice. First time was some months after my second shot. Last time was very recent and s couple months after my booster. Both times were extremely mild. I’ve worked through dozens of colds way worse than this. For the record, I’m 38…. Race motorcycles at a high level and I’m a triathlete. The odds overwhelmingly in my favor of this virus being little more than a burp.
Why am I pro vaccine then? Well, for me personally…. I hate being sick. Time being under the weather is time not training, and time not working overtime.
I’m pro vaccine for people with pre-existing health conditions, and the elderly. I do believe s vaccine will keep those people out of the hospital. At a couple points during the pandemic, the zip code I serve had the highest infection rates in the nation. EVERY SINGLE PERSON whom I pumped on their chest, had MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE health problems. Covid was the kicker that put their already years-stressed vital organs over the top. Some were vaxed. Some weren’t.
Did I have very healthy friends and coworkers that got pretty damn sick. 100%. I think we all do. We have an intern that’s doing a 30 shift ride along at my station. He’s a smart dude. He’s doing this as part of his doctorate program thingee. He has a double masters, one being in epidemiology, and the other one in something else that’s all science-y and medicine related. He explains to me how the vaccines work against any virus. He explains how viruses mutate. As far as I can tell and he can explain, The theory of vaccines make sense and work when the target is stationary. But when we’re dealing with a constant moving and evolving target like we have been for going on 3 years now…. Vaccines are the equivalent of combat blood-clotting bandages. They’ll work for a little bit… hopefully just long enough to get the person to surgery (side note, we use combat dressing somewhat regularly in bad GSW’s. Stuff is like bondo for the abdomen or major appendage! It works great!)
But even my scientist-intern buddy admits that at this point, nothing we have done has really been working all that much or as intended. Our best bet is to develop better therapeutics and maintain as good of an individual baseline health as we can.
Alright, I’m gonna go back to the GT7 updates thread and read @Imari and @Scaff chin-checking guys with Gran Turismo facts!
PS:
@Imari…in 2 years time, I’m gonna end up being right about the evolution that PD will take with GT7 by way of perpetual updates until it becomes a PS5 only game (for the latest and greatest of course). There will not be a Gran Turismo game that will be exclusively for PS5. The next completely new Gran Turismo game will also be cross-gen. Just this time between PS5 and PS6. Stamp It!!!
If I’m wrong, I’ll gladly eat crow!!
Later Dudes!!
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You do realise that you've just provided anecdotal evidence that the vaccines work?
Vaccines don't and can't stop you getting Covid, but what they do is lower the chances of you getting it, reduce the severity of it if you do catch it, reduce the risk of you spreading it and reduce the chance of it mutating.
That you had mild cases post vaccination is not an argument against vaccines.
Would you like to see details of people as healthy or healthier than you that it's killed?
5.67 million dead people disagree.
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Sigh. You want facts?
List of epidemics and pandemics - Wikipedia
COVID has killed more people than all but four other pandemics in human history. Two bubonic plagues, the 1918 flu, and HIV/AIDS. It's already more than a burp. It's a major historical event. That's not debatable. If you're betting on this, you've lost.
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I'm not sure what you mean by this. What "true colors" are you talking about?
The pandemic is a genuine public health crisis that is complex & nuanced. Hundreds of millions of people have become infected, millions have died. The attempts by the political authorities & medical experts to mitigate the pandemic have sometimes been clumsy, over-reaching & ineffective. But people's "true colors" have been grotesquely distorted by the explosion of social media & the wild conspiracy theories that have resulted. In the last few years people have been able to find "overwhelming evidence" online of any conspiracy they choose to follow. Worse, once they start to follow the conspiracy they are bombarded with more and more information that re-enforces the conspiracy & less and less information that counters it. Confirmation basis on an industrial scale.
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What planet are you living on? The vaccines are saving millions of lives.
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Quarter million lives saved in the US alone by last June
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The estimates for lives saved generally have lots of caveats - limited to specific groups, specific countries, limited to not include things like transmission. But the numbers for the US and Europe alone should be over a million easily by now (last fall estimates were at 750,000) even ignoring the effect on transmission and reduction in over crowding at hospitals (so triage prevented). I'm sticking with in-the-millions globally at this point.
Edit 2:
Back of the envelope, 4.4 Billion people with one dose, 1% mortality, even if we assume only 20% of those people were going to get covid, that still puts mortality avoidance at like 9 million.
Edit 3:
Old numbers, we're at 4.8 Billion people with one dose today.
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I'm not sure how to interpret whatever point he was making about race either since the stats he presented didn't seem to be adjusted for population.
[EDIT] While black people are behind other races, it doesn't seem to be by much and the gap is narrowing. That doesn't suggest vocal opposition to the vaccine on their part to me, especially given the unreliability of the data as reported by KFF.
www.factcheck.org
[EDIT] While black people are behind other races, it doesn't seem to be by much and the gap is narrowing. That doesn't suggest vocal opposition to the vaccine on their part to me, especially given the unreliability of the data as reported by KFF.
Texas Lt. Gov. Patrick's False Claim About Unvaccinated Black People - FactCheck.org
The majority of United States residents who have not been vaccinated against COVID-19 are white, according to available state data and survey research. That contradicts Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick's claim that, "in most states," Black residents are "the biggest group" of unvaccinated people.
www.factcheck.org
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If undereducated, poorer black Americans are as likely to be unvaccinated as undereducated, poorer white Americans it doesn't indicate much about race, but something about socioeconomic factors.I'm not sure how to interpret whatever point he was making about race either since the stats he presented didn't seem to be adjusted for population.
[EDIT] While black people are behind other races, it doesn't seem to be by much and the gap is narrowing. That doesn't suggest vocal opposition to the vaccine on their part to me, especially given the unreliability of the data as reported by KFF.
Texas Lt. Gov. Patrick's False Claim About Unvaccinated Black People - FactCheck.org
The majority of United States residents who have not been vaccinated against COVID-19 are white, according to available state data and survey research. That contradicts Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick's claim that, "in most states," Black residents are "the biggest group" of unvaccinated people.
Similarly, there seems to be something of a confluence between left wing anti-vaxxers & right wing anti-vaxxers. I just heard an old girlfriend of mine - a life-long left wing conspiracy enthusiast - is in hospital after a heart attack. She is - of course - unvaxxed. 😟
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Mostly peacefull protest in Rotterdam
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Part of the polarization that will remain is that some of us would not like to give "clicks" or "views" to those who monetize their ignorance and/or hate via social media, and climb up the ranks of "importance" due to misleading and dangerous analogies. I'm not going to knowingly let someone profit (even in the smallest manner) over something so important, so they can drive a class wedge further between those who give a flying crap about humanity and those who are continuing to alight that same crapsack on our doorsteps.
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Yes, even when the pandemic becomes an endemic and restrictions are universally rolled back, the social fissures and conflicts caused by issues other than pandemic - such as inequities, injustices, etc. - will undoubtedly persist.
The purpose of this thread was to document various restrictions and subsequent protests caused specifically by the pandemic. When the pandemic ends, I sincerely intend for this particular thread to also end. Endemic anger, hate and conflict will always be pertinent to numerous other threads. It has numerous causes beyond the passing trauma of pandemic.
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Dotini
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The US has a rich history of protest. I attended my first protest at the age of 14. We were born in protest and rebellion. We will undoubtedly protest and bitch about everything until the very end.
Other countries around the world with different cultures and traditions may or may not protest so enthusiastically after the pandemic subsides. I do not really know.
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Another Man Decides to Plead Guilty in Plot to Kidnap Michigan Governor, Tells Feds He and Others Were 'Not Entrapped'
Telling feds he was "not entrapped," Wolverine Watchmen militia member Kaleb Franks agreed to plead guilty to plotting to kidnap Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (D).
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Citation needed.
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